Talk:Artificial Pokémon

Other artificial Pokémon

These were the ones I could remember being artificially created off the top of my head. Can anyone think of any others? --DekuScrubby 13:16, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Does Vui (the modified Eevee of the manga) count? ~Maave~ 18:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

What about the Pokemon such at Electivire? They are evolved due to contact with certain items. And technically the Pokemon who have to be evolve-traded could be considered artificial, because they couldn't exist without human intervention. - unsigned comment from Supreme (talk • contribs)

What about Magnimite? due to the mechanical Screws and Magnets there must at least be some human involvement in the Species.Dragrath1 21:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon that assumedly can only have evolved through trading have been seen in the wild (examples: tons in the Ranger games, some from the anime, and Steelix on Iron Island). Unless it's specifically stated, we can't assume Pokémon like Magnemite are artificially formed. There could be a natural explanation that simply can't be invoked by the player.

Also, you really should have put this in a new header, instead of one from a half-year ago. --Andy^P_K^M_N 00:31, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I was trying to but couldn't figure it out (I'm new here...)Also I already knew about the trade evolutions(Love how you can catch wild Steelix instead of wasting your only Metal Coat...) Dragrath1 00:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Castform

why is Castform in here? the only evidence I've ever seen of Castform being made by people is it's position in the weather institute, but I've always thought they were simply doing research on it and I believe since there are no Pokédex entries about it or any mentions about it being created by people in the anime that it should be removed Ultamate_Charizard 23:26, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I think a character in RSE mentions it was artificially created when he gives it to the player. Taromon 10:59, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Hold on what about...

Wern't the Baltoy and Brozor families crafted by ancient people I Know claydoll was but I'm not so sure Brozer was. And what about the Magnamite family wen't they mutated magnets doesn't that point to human influance since the magnets they have on their bodies are manmade magnets unlike Nospass's whose was natural. Also Genesect? - unsigned comment from EpicShadow (talk • contribs)

regi's

Weren't the Regi trio (and giggas) made by ancient man? Kingofall42 16:12, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

No. I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!! 04:08, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Claydol and Baltoy

Some of their Pokedex entries state that they're made by ancient humans and became alive after they were exposed to mysterious rays. Why aren't they here? Ariano 18:17, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Captions

I don't know what the policy is for captions for images, but the ones on this page seem different than captions used in other articles. In this article, the captions seem kinda long, but my bigger issue is that they pretty much restate the information in the article, making them seem redundant. For example, in the Porygon section, the picture is captioned with, "Porygon can exist as computer data in cyberspace," while this information is also stated in the text itself. Most other articles, however, just have simple captions like "Porygon in the anime" or "a map of the Sinnoh region" or the like. I wondered if the captions on this page could/should be changed so they would be simpler, less redundant, and more fitting with other articles. slimey01 01:23, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

I suppose it's because these images intend to show how it is these Pokémon are artificial, not just what they look like. I did my best to make the captions more brief yet interesting. —TheVeryBest 03:45, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Magiana

Shouldn't Magiana be added? PokemonCool (talk) 15:22, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Alolan Forms

Under the Influenced by Humans Category could Alolan Meowth and Rattata/Raticate apply since it was due to the High-Class/Urban Environment that caused their ancestors to change type? Azure/ChromeVoid42 (talk) 20:26, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

The Alola Forms don't count as artificial; think of them as an example of divergent evolution. --Carmen★ (Talk | contribs) 03:34, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Then Shouldn't that apply to Burmy, Wormadam and Rotom? Since they too aren't artificial yet change type due to a human-controlled environment? Azure/ChromeVoid42 (talk) 09:43, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Right; sorry, I actually didn't read your first question carefully enough. Alolan Meowth and Rattata/Raticate are indeed Pokémon that have been altered by human involvement. I think they can go under that section. --Carmen★ (Talk | contribs) 12:38, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

The inclusion of some Pokemon

Voltorb and Banette weren't intentionally created by humans-while humans had a major part in their origins, they weren't the only cause. Shouldn't they be included in the Other Pokémon influenced by humans section? Their origins are much more similar to Deoxys and Grimer than the other Pokemon in their current section. TechSkylander1518 (talk) 06:39, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Moreover, Grimer and Trubbish have very similar origins and yet are split. I was thinking it would be better to have the subsections along the lines of "Artificial Pokémon intentionally made by humans", "Artificial Pokémon with no human intervention" (including Voltorb, Baltoy, Banette, Trubbish and Grimer) as well as "Other Pokémon influenced by humans".--Wowy_(토크) 07:16, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Sandygast

Should sandygast (and possibly palossand) be included in the section "other Pokémon influenced by humans" because they were grudges which possessed sandcastles left on the beach by people? Or are they not because the grudge bit is sort of natural? Also, they control people into adding sand to itself to grow bigger. --CrystalClear (talk) 10:43, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

So Banette's artificial, but not Shuppet?

So according to this page, Banette is a haunted plush doll. But what about Shuppet? If Shuppet evolves from Banette wouldn't that make it a plush doll as well?

I'm aware this website has a habit of taking everything the Pokedex says as fact (rather then just legends and folklore) but still. Eaither both Shuppet and Banette are a haunted plush doll or neither of them are.

--Squirtle Gardevoir (talk) 19:28, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Logically, yes, I agree, but that would be speculation. It's possible that Shuppet is an entirely natural Pokemon, but when it evolves, it then possesses a discarded plush doll that it didn't previously have.

Note that the article lists "Known artificial Pokemon"-- these are just the ones that we can be confident in saying these Pokemon have some kind of artificial aspect that we can confirm. --celadonk (talk) 21:31, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Voltorb and Electrode

Voltorb and Electrode are not man-made. They evolved as Pokéballs evolved. Hisuian Voltorb and Electrode are some of the few regional forms that came first, like Galarian Zigzagoon. You already have the Hisuian Forms in Pokémon influenced by humanity, you honestly should put the Kantonian forms in the section too. It’s just inaccurate to say that humans created them when we have had proof that they weren’t for months now. AbsolutelyCardboard (talk) 22:58, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

That is a very good point.--MissDelibirda (talk) 11:01, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Eh, I don't think the existence of contradictory evidence is a good reason to remove the supporting evidence. Landfish7 11:52, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Actually, we don't have any proof of that. First of all, Hisuian Voltorb and Electrode came before the Balls, since we have Noble Electrode, and the Nobles are way ancient then the Team Galaxy, second, their are the only Pokémon with the mouth (only for Electrode since Voltorb don't have it) to not having a mouth modelled, but just texturized to look like paint in the surface isntead of being an actual mouth, and it don't even move when they eat, without talking their whole design look pretty man-made, with parts that seems to be craved artifically. As far as we know, Hisuian Voltorb line can easly be wooden construct made with apricorns, explaining why they look so similar to Balls, since the item used is the same. The Kantonian Voltorb line is mentioned in the Dex are made from a material that don't exist in nature, supporting they are not natural, and the Kantonian Voltorb can be easly be created using the extinct Hisuian variant as a base. So, say we know they are not artificial is wrong, since not only there is no definitive proof, we even have hints for being artificial with design details and description--Zarxiel94 (talk) 11:59, 1 January 2023 (UTC)