Talk:Judgment (move)

Type of move

Is it dependant on a plate being held or the type of the user as it can be used by any Pokémon knowing metronome by chance. Gywall 09:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I've read a few sources referencing type, so I just want to be sure. Gywall 09:58, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

It is dependant on the Plate being held-And yes, it can be used through Metronome. Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links09:58 24 May 2008

On PBR, my Togepi pulled out Judgment via Metronome so it can be used like that. BlueJirachi 20:45, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

So then signature moves could apply to certain Pokemon other than the one intended.(if you understand)--Taviource 20:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Here's a question, then. What if Togepi was holding a plate? If Togepi was holding a Fist Plate, for example, and used Metronome, would the Judgment be fighting type? --Someone Else 13:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I ask that no one forget smeargle. Also, the type of smeargle's judgement would not go by plate, but rather by the type of judgement that was used on it. Lonestar_Phoenixxx 14:08, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

One has yet to do that... ^ht14 20:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Judgment’s type is its default when no plate is held: normal

Having the type change in the article is confusing. Please change this. White Phoenix 00:16, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Translation of 「さばきのつぶて」

In the main article, I noticed that the translation of the Japanese name for the move is "Judgment Throwing Stone". I believe this is incorrect.

The term 「さばきのつぶて」 literally translates to "Strike of Judgment" (hence rewording to "Judgment Strike" or similar). This directly implies that this move is an act of divine intervention (therefore translating simply into Judgment in the english releases; a fitting name for what appears to be a "God" Pokémon).

HechEff 00:50, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Meh, makes more sense than God smiting with a pebble. --- Aura-Knight 00:55, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Just saw a video of the animated attack Judgment. I imagine it being like the kind of attack which deserves a long FMV playing every time it is used.

In any case, I have made the edit based on the literal translation.

HechEff 01:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

• I meant check in the edit summary.

Have someone check itDCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))} 02:17, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Google Translate calls it "the decision to drop." Therefore, we must obey.

I'm kidding. But while "decision" can mean "Judgment," "to drop" has hardly anything to do with "Throwing Stone." And while Google Translate is made of uber fail, its translations are vaguely similar to its actually counterparts..:

If you do translate "つぶて" alone through Google Translate, however, it does come out as "Throwing stones," and the part left out (さばきの) means "verdict," so I can see how you came across that... - espeonA 02:23, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I went on Google translation and it said it was "the sale of grain". That proves that it cannot be relied on. I mean seriously, does God sell grain?--^☆Tavisource 03:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

"Throwing stone" may be a refence to David and Goliath.--Mtn otter We are the Void 21:20, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Judgment or Judgement?

According to my dictionary, the word is usually spelled "judgement" with an extra "e", but can also be spelled "judgment" when it is referring to something in law. Judging by this (sorry, I couldn't resist that joke!) then surely it would make more sense for Arceus's special move to be spelled "Judgement". Is this Trivia worthy? Taromon777 22:54, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Judgement is just another spelling variation of judgment, meaning either is correct. I don't think it's too notable. ~ overgrown_sol 22:58, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I always get screwed up in the spelling of the word, I always spell it Judgement, but I always get a red line under it meaning it's not spelled correctly, so I just take the "e" out and so it's rather annoying sometimes, as I'm confused as to the right spelling.--Dman dustin 01:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, since this is about the move, and in the game it is spelled without the extra e, it is offically Judgment, unless HeartGold, SoulSilver, or any future game changes the spelling. McKay 02:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Considering it's been two generations since this discussion, and Generation VI did fix some spelling issues in move names (e.g. Faint Attack -> Feint Attack) this is a subject worth reviewing. Me, I was rather surprised when I typed {{m|Judgement}} and the result was a red link with a deletion log entry. --Stratelier 17:07, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, that was quick -- the Gen VI spelling has indeed remained the same, so it is most likely considered not an error. --Stratelier 17:19, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

The timer thing that changes the type

Should we add that to the thing at the top that says "Judgment is a damage-dealing Normal-type move"?--Liquid ICE (User:Cold)^{(page, talk)} 08:45, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Trivia Edit

Updated some grammar, and changed the reference. Simply because the Judgment in heaven in the Christian belief is much more passive when you die, whereas it is much more like an Attack when God passes judgment to people on earth. Also I apologize for the second edit. I'm a little new to this, still getting in the rhythm. Kalinalurik 21:09, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Changing Type

I don't know if this was intended, and I apologize if it was, but while the colour display is changing momentarily like the notice at the top of this page says, the introductory line in the article is as well. So, when I came to the page it said "...is a damage-dealing Bug-type move..." Alakazam17 02:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

*points at notice at the top of this talk page* —darklordtrom 05:05, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, thanks for reading what I posted[/sarcasm] Alakazam17 14:32, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Let me clarify here. While the one who posted before me read the notice at the top of the page, he apparently did not read my post. Yes, the borders change due to the uniqueness of the ability(which is what that notice is all about), but I don't believe the line "...is a damage-dealing [insert type]..." should be. At least, this isn't the case on Arceus' page, where the border alternates but he is always identified as a "Normal-type." Which is basically what I said the first time. Alakazam17 05:01, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Arceus is default Normal type, while Judgement is default whatever type Arceus is at the moment. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:55, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Power

Down there in the trivia section - isn't the power essentially 180 since the plates also increase the power of those-type attacks by 20%? (Same thing for the plates page, only that fails to account for the STAB bonus) --Color Printer 03:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

"Most Powerful Move"

I have removed this line from the trivia in the article;

" This means, providing Arceus is holding a plate, Judgement the most powerful move that is not detrimental to the user like Explosion and Selfdestruct."

This doesn't follow. The trivia states what with STAB and the plate bonus the base power rises to 180. That is a high base power, but moves like Hydro Pump can achieve 180 through STAB, or higher through the use of an item. Hyper Beam, Giga Impact, Frenzy Planet, etc. can exceed 200 base power with STAB alone. It is misleading to claim that Judgement is 'the most powerful move'. It certainly is powerful, but is by not superlative. Darien Shields 16:23, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, not exactly sure what I was thinking when writing that. --Color Printer 05:08, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Well if you look at Earthquake, it says "Earthquake has the highest fixed attack power of any move with 100% accuracy and no drawbacks (tied with Judgment)."

So, the trivia can stay if you add the 100% accuracy because moves like Hydro Pump don't have 100% accuracy, and Hyper Beam, Giga Impact, and variations have the drawback of recharge, don't they?--Si6x12 18:39, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

??? Type

Shouldn't judgement be ??? type because it changes? - unsigned comment from Focus58 (talk • contribs)

But that would be incorrect. Because, unlike Curse, it isn't ???-type unless Arceus is hacked to be ???-type. Not to mention the ??? type doesn't exist in Generation V. Werdnae (talk) 20:35, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh. Well, I've got a lot to learn. It's just that I get confused by the page. Oops.  :) Focus58 20:50, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Smeargle

Shouldn't it be said that Smeargle is the only other Pokémon that can learn this move? You know through Sketch? - unsigned comment from Mr.Char (talk • contribs)

That can be said of any any move (except Chatter), never mind any signature moves. Which means it's unnotable. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 01:19, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I know Smeargle won't change it's type by holding a plate, but if it have learned Judgment by Sketch, may the type of the move change if Smeargle is holding a plate? Suic12- (talk) 21:25, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Super Mystery Dungeon

Since this is the first "official" playable appearance of Arceus in the Mystery Dungeon series, how exactly does Judgment work in this particular game? Shiramu Kuromu (talk) 00:13, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Outdated trivia?

"Due to the types of both Arceus and Judgment being determined by the Plate held, Judgment always receives STAB when used by Arceus."

Now that Arceus's type also changes with Z-Crystals, is this true anymore? I don't know if Judgment is also affected by Z-Crystals. Pokemega32 (talk) 05:48, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

I have verified in-game that this is indeed no longer true. No matter which Z-Crystal Arceus is holding, Judgment remains a Normal-type move, and retains the type effectiveness of any other Normal-type move. Therefore, Judgment does not receive STAB if Arceus is holding any Z-Crystal other than Normalium Z.

Other notes:

• Judgment appears as a Normal-type move, no matter what item Arceus is holding. However, if Arceus is holding a Plate, the correct type matchup effectiveness is displayed in the battle menu. (For example, Judgment is shown to be "super effective" if an Arceus holding a Splash Plate is battling a Charmander.)

• The Memories that can change the type of Silvally and Multi-Attack have no effect on the type of Arceus or Judgment.

• The only Z-Crystal that can upgrade Judgment is Normalium Z, which upgrades the move to the Z-Move Breakneck Blitz.

WhosHaddady (talk) 23:40, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Which situations will Judgement be a ghost move in Legends Arceus?

Given that types weak to Ghost are also weak to Dark, and Dark is immune to Psychic in addition to resisting Ghost (while Ghost is weak to itself and takes neutral damage from Psychic), when will the game pick Ghost?

Ghost/Fairy, Ghost/Fighting, Psychic/Fairy and Psychic/Fighting are all weak to Ghost but not Dark, however Ghost isn't their only weakness so the game would probably pick another type. Pikmin 3 Wii U 23:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Based on the description of how the code for Judgment works here, no Pokémon that are present in Legends: Arceus can allow a Ghost-type Judgment.

Fighting/Ghost, Fighting/Psychic, Poison/Ghost, and Bug/Ghost will always result in a Ghost-type Judgment. Poison/Psychic will result in a Ghost-type Judgment 50% of the time, and Bug/Psychic 33% of the time. Minibug (talk) 01:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Wouldn't Dark always be preferred over Ghost for the resistance to Ghost and immunity to Psychic so therefore Bug/Ghost and Poison/Ghost would rather pick Dark over Ghost? Pikmin 3 Wii U 02:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I made a mistake in my code with the implementation of the algorithm! It now appears that Gallade would be the only Pokémon in Legends: Arceus capable of triggering a Ghost-type Judgment.

To run through the algorithm using Psychic/Fighting as an example:

• After the first step, Judgment will select between Flying, Ghost, and Fairy, since all these will deal 2x damage to Psychic/Fighting. At this point, Judgment cannot end up selecting any type that isn't already on this list.
• The second step does not remove anything, since Flying, Ghost, and Fairy all take 1x damage from Psychic. (Gallade's first type)
• The third step removes both Flying and Fairy, since Ghost is immune to Fighting. (Gallade's second type)

Minibug (talk) 13:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)