Talk:List of Pokémon by field move in Generation VI
List separation
Separating "HM" moves and other moves is a bad idea, since this is Gen V bias and it won't always be Gen V, because for how many generations was Flash an HM? So I suggest ditching the "HM Total" column and simply alphabetize the moves, because there's no saying these will be the only field moves from here on out.
Er, you're also missing Rock Smash. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 14:47, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- Rock Smash isn't a HM in Gen V, and the list is specific to Gen V - once this list is done, I'll do up similar lists for previous generations, too. And the reason why HMs are separated out is that they can't be unlearned naturally and they are essential to completing the game. If one wants a HM Slave, which was the primary motivation for creating this list, HMs take priority. Aielyn 06:47, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
- How is this "specific" to Gen V when nothing indicates that it's supposed to be? You plan on putting all five generation on one page (over 1,800 rows)? That's table overkill and it's going to be wretched on loading, nevermind it's only going to get worse with every generation heaped into it. If it's one generation by page, you obviously titled it wrong. People are alspo smart enough to realize where the HMs are; an HM total column is overkill because they can see for themselves how many HMs are listed in a row (and are perfectly capable of counting themselves). Also, adding pokémon that cannot learn anything is table baggage and useless. Might as well go to every move article and add all the pokémon to each table, showing off which ones can and cannot learn the move. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 13:49, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
- Also, Defog isn't a field move in Gen V, either. - Blazios talk 13:51, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
- I'm following the Field move (main series) article, which lists Defog as a field move. There is mention of it being possibly wrong in the discussion, but no conclusion to that. I may go and test it myself, just to be sure. If someone else can confirm definitively before I get around to it, I'll happily remove it from the table. (EDIT: OK, just tested it myself, it is, indeed, not a field move. I'm now removing the column from the table) Aielyn 15:11, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
- I had originally noted that it's Gen V specific in the description, but it got lost along the way, probably because I was undecided on how to specify it. The article isn't complete yet, as it'll take a while to finish even this table. Having a table of all field moves for all generations would just be too bloated, especially since some moves change status between generations (like Teleport, which was a TM in Gen II), or are learnable by certain pokemon in some gens, but not others. The HM total column is for sorting, as people wanting to choose a HM slave will want to see which pokemon can learn many HMs, and not have to search through a long list for it. As for pokemon that can't learn any field moves, I'd be open to removing them, as they are indeed just taking up space... but as it's a list of pokemon, I didn't want to make assumptions like that. If others agree that pokemon that don't learn any field moves should be left off the list, I'll remove them, happily. As for the time required to load the entire table, it doesn't seem to be an issue with, for instance, the List of Pokemon by wild held item - which, by the way, includes all pokemon, including those that have never had an associated wild held item; by your reasoning, that list is also full of "baggage", even moreso than this one will be. Aielyn 15:11, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
- Also, Defog isn't a field move in Gen V, either. - Blazios talk 13:51, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
- How is this "specific" to Gen V when nothing indicates that it's supposed to be? You plan on putting all five generation on one page (over 1,800 rows)? That's table overkill and it's going to be wretched on loading, nevermind it's only going to get worse with every generation heaped into it. If it's one generation by page, you obviously titled it wrong. People are alspo smart enough to realize where the HMs are; an HM total column is overkill because they can see for themselves how many HMs are listed in a row (and are perfectly capable of counting themselves). Also, adding pokémon that cannot learn anything is table baggage and useless. Might as well go to every move article and add all the pokémon to each table, showing off which ones can and cannot learn the move. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 13:49, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Missing stuff
Will anyone add all Generation VI Pokémon, change the move name from Softboiled to Soft-Boiled and complete the whole table with the field moves Pokémon can learn. Cinday123 (Talk) 08:41, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Gen VI update
I'm willing to do the work, but I need to be clear: This should be according to OR/AS (right?), so Rock Smash will move from TM to HM, and Dive will stay where it is? —TheVeryBest 18:09, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Move
There are no field moves in Gen VII, so updating "List of Pokémon by field move" makes it an empty list. So this should really be a disambiguation, as it would otherwise imply it is current/up-to-date. Nescientist (talk) 13:17, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
- Wonder why "Move"/"Merge" pages etc. get no attention whatsoever.
- I agree with moving this to "List of Pokémon by field move (Generation VI)" - to keep it consistent with the rest, with "List of Pokémon by field move" being either a redirect, or disambiguation as mentioned (saying something like "Gen VII has no field moves, but check these pages out" with the list of previous six generations). ~KingisNitro (talk) 00:55, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
