Talk:List of Pokémon with branched Evolutions

Nincada

I dont think Nincada -> Shedinja should be here...--Sanky 19:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Why not? It's a branched evolution. Tina^☆♥♫ 20:51, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

The TCG considers it so, and while it's not really technically a branched evolution, it's nowhere near a regular one either. It's something like halfway. TTEchidna 10:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, OK.--Sanky 14:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. It's one of those weird things, but you can't really say that it's an unrelated yet similar Pokémon (as is the case with Plusle and Minun), despite the fact that it doesn't directly result from the induction of evolution in Nincada, like both Gardevoir and Gallade are for Kirlia. If there were more Pokémon like it, we'd have some other precedent, but it's likely there'll be no more like this (well, there haven't been yet)... so we go with the TCG's classification of it as a brancher. TTEchidna 20:29, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Just to clear it up, a branched evo is when you have to choose which evo to get, and with nincada, you get both, so it is not a branch and therefore should not be put on the page.Leafgreener in 2010 01:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Nincada can evolve into more that one Pokemon, which can be considered a branched evolution, even though it is not the same as the others. XVuvuzela2010X 01:35, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I think it counts as a branched evolution but should have trivia saying that it is the only one where you can get both evolutions when it evolves Grass is the best (talk) 19:10, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Lycanroc

Should probably be added.KrytenKoro (talk) 16:14, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Done. I'm not sure if other people will agree, but I've added it at least for now. I think the fact that we list each Wormadam as a separate entry should be precedent enough for forms to technically be considered branches. Later, if someone decides that it's technically not branched since both Lycanroc share a Pokedex number, then we should probably condense Wormadam into a single row of the chart for consistency. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:30, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

If we're going to add Lycanroc, should we also add Meowstic? Granted, both male and female have the same stats, but their movepools and Hidden abilities are different from each other.PDL (talk) 12:41, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Nincada Mark II

Regarding Nincada...I have a book (possibly more than one) at home that lists Nincada as a branched evolution. Even disregarding that, I think it should be listed... Leafgreener said that a branch is when you choose which evo to get, but you can choose whether you want just Ninjask or both Ninjask and Shedinja. I don't think that should be the meaning of branched evos but it's not my choice. ----Celadonkey 17:58, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Here are pictures: [1] ----Celadonkey 16:13, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Since there is official media saying so, and since I haven't gotten a response, I'll just add it... --Celadonkey 01:12, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Meowstics

Why Meowstics aren't here? Both are same species with two different form, same as Lycanroc.--Dominikololo (talk) 12:11, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Meowstic is covered under List of Pokémon with gender differences. (Until next time... Anon e Mouse Jr.) Anon e Mouse Jr. (talk) 12:22, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

The two Meowstic are gender differences, not forms. You don't get the choice between the two when evolving Espurr (a male Espurr will always evolve into a male Meowstic), unlike with Rockruff.--ForceFire 12:31, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

You also don't get the choice with Toxel and he is included. To me Gender différences is just a sprite différence, in Meowstic case it's also a moovepool and talent différence, so it's more than just a gender differences and i think we shall reconsider add Meowstic Anguibok (talk) 13:38, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

(I guess Meowstic and Indeedee are also forms...)

Maybe the intro can reference and explain the connection to gender differences, possibly those two species specifically, instead of expanding the list? As you say, Meowstic (and Indeedee) branching is actually pretty relevant (as relevant as Toxel).

Do you want to try? Should I? Nescientist (talk) 18:24, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm think i won't be able to do it, so i suggest you to try and i'll try help you if I can :D (Dont hesitate to add me on discord 'Anguibok' if you need help UwU) Anguibok (talk) 04:51, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

I realize I can't actually define what this page is supposed to list (and what it's not supposed to list), so I can't really infer whether Toxel (and/or others) should be included. If someone can define that, please feel free to edit the article's intro accordingly. Nescientist (talk) 19:35, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Alolan evolutions

As Wormadam and Lycanroc's alternative forms technically counts as different branches, then makes sense if the same is applied to Alolan forms, in which sense can these also have different stats, type combination, ability and methods as such presented in Cubone (Regular Marowak evolves at level 28 regardless of time. Alolan Marowak also evolves at 28, but only during night, while in Alola).

Utsuro (talk) 16:05, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

not yet known

I think the stat differences for galarian slowbros evolutions and urhifu should say not currently known what do you think Wild Starfish (talk) 18:35, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

It being blank sends the same point, no need.--ForceFire 05:08, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Dudunsparce and Maushold

Should these be listed here since they are non-interchangeable forms decided upon evolution, however small the form differences are? --Fortranm (talk) 21:50, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Unexpected Mothim entry

Mothim is mentioned in the second table ("different forms of the same species"). I think that it should not and it was a hasty copy-paste from the first table. Should we remove it? Y2110 (talk) 14:02, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Move

The current article title is:

• List of Pokémon with branched Evolutions

I suggest moving it to:

• List of branched Evolution lines

This article includes the entire lines, including the prior and next evolutions that are not branched.

For instance, I suppose it's reasonable to include the entire line of Oddish, Gloom, Vileplume, and Bellossom in the article. But technically Oddish, Vileplume, and Bellossom don't have any branched evolutions. If the article is named "List of Pokémon with branched Evolutions", it would technically be accurate to mention Gloom while entirely omitting Oddish, Vileplume, and Bellossom.

If we use the title "List of branched Evolution lines", that makes it clearer that the entire evolution lines are listed. It's also shorter than the other title. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 05:31, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

I'd slightly prefer List of branched evolutionary lines for consistency with other articles about evolutionary lines. Landfish7 23:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Okay, that makes sense. I like the idea of using "List of branched evolutionary lines" for consistency. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 23:56, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Alternatively, could we not just call it Branched Evolution? Landfish7 00:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

You see, I like the idea of having an article named "Branched Evolution". This would be consistent with other evolution pages that don't have "List" in the title. We have a page named "Time-based Evolution" instead of "List of time-based Evolutions".

However, "Branched Evolution" seems like a regular article explaining branched Evolutions, right? Maybe this could mention all the spin-off games that support branched Evolutions. It could also mention the anime episodes and manga chapters where the characters discuss branched Evolutions.

Since the list of branched Evolutions is pretty long, we might consider having the main article "Branched Evolution" in addition to a separate article listing all the branched Evolutions. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 00:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I'd also like to note that the page "List of Pokémon that evolve at or above a certain level" currently only has those specific Pokémon according to the title, not their entire evolutionary lines. For instance, that page mentions Ivysaur because it evolves at a certain level, but Venusaur is not mentioned anywhere because this one does not evolve.

The way I see it, this relates to the idea of using "List of branched evolutionary lines" instead of "List of Pokémon with branched Evolutions" for the current page, since it contains the entire evolutionary lines and not just the specific Pokémon with branched Evolutions. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 12:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)