Talk:Misty's Starmie

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Completely baffled why a second box is displayed in GSC section, uncertain how to correct. -Starmie121

Corrected it for you. --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 15:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

"My steady"

When Misty summons her Starmie in the Japanese version, she seems to call it "my steady". Wonmdering if this should go in the article, and if so where~ superplough 05:39, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Tackle?

It says in the synopsis that Starmie used tackle on Ash's Pidgeotto several times in EP007. On the moves used it says it was first used in EP010. Should we change it? :--SuperAipom7 (Questions?) 16:50, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

It's been changed. Thank you for pointing that out! :D Littlmiget123 17:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Anime cry

It's anime cry is actually of the original Ultraman's cry. --K4kirin 11:59, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Source

Here's a source confirming Misty's Starmie to appear in BW2, from about 0:15. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JnAfaYjCVUs Don't Hug Lucario! (talk) 18:39, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Probably better to leave it off for now though. Frozen Fennec 18:45, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Starmie is Genderless

Clemont's Magneton is Genderless. Why not Misty's Starmie? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 15:38, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Recurrence of Starmie in battle

> "Misty rarely used Starmie in battle, generally favoring Staryu to battle on land and often Psyduck by mistake."

This part is statiscally incorrect. In its run within the first 61 episodes of the original series in which it was featured, Starmie was used in seven specific battles specifically (this is NOT including transportation utility and/or fire-extinguishing abilities) against a Pidgeotto, an Oddish, a Bulbasaur, a Weepinbell, a Graveler, against Team Rocket (Butterfree episode) and against Team Rocket again (Pokémon-athon episode). Which is about the same as Staryu, who was used six times against a Meowth, a Butterfree, against Team Rocket (Hypno episode), Jigglypuff, against Team Rocket again (might count as Weezing, in Jigglypuff's episode) and against Team Rocket again (Togepi episode).

In fact, in the earlier episodes of the Original series, there's been a few dialogues where Misty seemed to imply Starmie was her strongest Pokemon, thus why she insisted on using it so much in the earlier episodes of the show. I vividly remember a dialogue where she says that "amongst her Pokemon only her Starmie could break Cloyster's defenses, etc". But I'm fairly certain there are other instances of this.

Once she got Psyduck, things changed because Psyduck would come out when Misty would think about using Starmie in battles. And then, Staryu obviously gets used a lot more from episode 61 forward, but that's because Starmie is gone from her team by that point.

Regarding its... capabilities... in combat, it's true that it pretty much accumulated losses after losses - but most of these were "necessary" for the narrative. Even had Misty used her Staryu for those battles instead of Starmie, it would have also lost them (Pidgeotto needs the win in the Gym badge battle so Ash can earn the badge, Bulbasaur has to win and defend Oddish otherwise Ash can't catch it later on, Graveler has to win because Giselle is trying to prove a point which is that Type Advantage doesn't matter if the level of the Pkmn is higher, etc). So while it's unfortunate that Starmie has very poor showings in the anime, it is still presumed to be stronger than Staryu in the first part of the series - it is simply being used against stronger opponents and/or key moments for other characters.

It's only once Starmie is left at Cerulean Gym, and Misty keeps training Staryu and using it in battle, that it is safe to say it becomes stronger than Starmie absolutely.

To be fair, it's also incorrect because the sentence could almost imply that Misty, on the other hand, favored Starmie for battles at sea - but Starmie has in fact never battled at sea (unless we count her Gym battle) and in fact was always favored by Misty to battle on land otherwise. She didn't have much choice between Horsea and Goldeen prefering to actually fight in water, and her never wanting to actually use Psyduck over Starmie in the earlier episodes.

So yeah... Could we reformulate that?- unsigned comment from Temari44 (talk • contribs)

Fair point, though considering the gym match was interrupted, we can't really say that Starmie actually lost the match against Pidgeotto, especially when there were some circumstances that made it ambiguous as to whether Pidgeotto would have actually won if Team Rocket hadn't interfered (namely, Starmie was still near a pool of water and can just do a last-minute jump into the pool to heal itself). Just because the odds were in Pidgeotto's favor that moment doesn't necessarily mean it was a guaranteed win (let's not forget, Koffing, Ekans, and Meowth had every single legal advantage against Caterpie in Ash Catches a Pokèmon [eg, type advantages, way more experience than Caterpie by that point, also being much fresher, even easily taking out the Pidgeotto that utterly creamed it earlier], more than enough to ordinarily guarantee victory. And yet... it was Caterpie that easily won against them instead.). Overall agreed that it needs to be rewritten at best. Weedle Mchairybug (talk) 13:05, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

It's true that Starmie didn't "lose", but both Trainers acknowledged that Starmie was at a disadvantage. I also rewatched the episode (in both Japanese and English) and all Staryu did when it jumped into the pool was negate the usage of Stun Spore and Sleep Powder, not fully heal itself. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 22:24, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Never even mentioned Staryu's earlier jump into the pool in the first place, not in this reply at least, and even if I did, we already know via EP021 that Starmie and presumably Staryu are indeed fully capable of actually healing itself when exposed to water (otherwise, Misty's usage of a portable water cannon on Starmie to aid it after James knocked it against a wall in a similar manner to Pidgeotto via a sledgehammer wouldn't have worked at all). Weedle Mchairybug (talk) 09:43, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I think the information presented in the episode itself (which is that both Trainers acknowledged that Starmie was in a disadvantageous situation) is more important than trying to theorize ways in which Misty could have still possibly won. I also don't think citing later episodes is a great counterpoint, given that there are many instances of Pokémon only displaying a certain skill when it's convenient for the progression of an episode (the infamous Thunder Armor comes to mind). There's also stuff like Ash's Pikachu suddenly gaining Static as an Ability starting with AG (due to the introduction of Abilities in Gen 3), only for it to be completely forgotten after BW. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 11:03, 20 November 2023 (UTC)