Talk:Submission (move)

Can someone confirm if this can hit a Pokémon using fly, Dig, Bounce etc. Not sure if it was just a blip in my game or me imagining things (it was 2AM in the morning) but my Staraptor used fly then the opponent use submission and it hit whilst it was "Up high" PhantomCX 08:03, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

It can. TTEchidna 23:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Yup. Hit me while flying. Unssure of dig etc. Yleron 09:52, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

so then why is it not in the article? Slowking770 06:26, 13 August 2010 (UTC)slowking770

Sounds like you encountered the (in)famous No Guard Machamp. SoItBegins (talk) 07:14, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Technically...

"Notably, Submission can only be learned by Generation I Pokémon in all generations, except Generation II, where Cyndaquil can learn it as an egg move."

Generation I Pokémon with Generation II evos could learn it as its un-evolved form in I, and then trade to II to evolve.. although only Politoed and Blissey can do this. I'm not sure how to word this on the article, though, so... HALP! D: →Tinā ^♫★ 02:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

In all generations, all Pokémon that learn Submission naturally are from a Generation I evolutionary family, with the sole exception of Cyndaquil. In Generation II, other Pokémon such as Blissey may learn this move, but only if they are traded forward with the Time Capsule prior to evolution. Howzat? —darklordtrom 05:35, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Signature Move?

In Generation I, the only Pokemon who can learn this move via level up are Machop and its evolutions. Would that not make it a signature move, at least prior to Generation II?--Black Yin Zekrom 06:31, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so, because of the TM distribution. —darklordtrom 10:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Substitute Recoil

In Gen VI, will there still be no recoil on this move if it breaks a substitute? SoItBegins (talk) 07:14, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Just tested in my copy of X, and there was recoil damage after it broke the substitute. Will note it. Berrenta (talk) 21:48, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Odd wording

I don't quite understand this part of the page:

If the user of Submission attacks first and faints due to recoil damage, the target will not attack or be subjected to recurrent damage during that round. However, the user will still be subject to recurrent damage.

This makes it look like it's saying the user can receive recurrent damage if they've already fainted. I think that "However" is glossing over what conditions the second sentence is actually talking about. --Flicky1991 12:50, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Japanese Name Reference

I think Ikki Kajiwara's manga "Judo Itchokusen" is more proper.

Names in 1st Generation are often referred from Japanese monster movies, tokusatsu, and mangas in Showa era, childhood of Game Freak staffs then.

Kajiwara's "Jigoku Guruma" has been reffered by many Japanese anime, games, tokusatsu, and other subcultures. For example, Ken Masters and Akuma's back throw moves are named Jigoku Guruma, and motions are the same as Kajiwara's manga or drama. Same as Pokemon anime, for example, EP209.

On the other hand, in Japan lucha libre is not very popular except pro-wrestling fans when 1st Generation was released.

see also: https://youtu.be/NIVkywsFYbI?t=1m59s https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E5%9C%B0%E7%8D%84%E8%BB%8A Falseteeth (talk) 17:26, 9 July 2018 (UTC)