User talk:Tiddlywinks/Isle of Armor encounters

Missing info

I haven't analyzed encounter data, and/but just went around the island, maybe it helps (Sword, no champion, but past the Eternatus event):

1. I've definitely seen Malamar, for example, so low-level encounters evolve when transitioning to higher-level ones!? I think that hasn't been the case at Wild Area, right?
2. (Whatever I checked there, Pokewiki seems to be very reliable)
3. Sharpedo chase you at I think all of the outside ocean areas (Workout Sea, Stepping Stone Sea, etc.), they appear somewhere near the horizon, then approach you. I've been chased by two of them simultaneously. They're super hilarious and annoying. They cross boundaries (they still hit me after I retreated to Challenge Beach waters), so they probably have fixed spawn locations. They disappear when the hit an island, or sometimes when they're out of sight or something.
4. Clobbopus is swimming (at least) in Courageous Cavern, near the Loop Lagoon exti next to Tentacool and Tentacruel; at the land part I see Chewtle, Woobat, Golisopod, Pincurchin right now; I've seen Whiscash elsewhere in Courageous Cavern water
5. The three cave locations seem to have permanent clear weather (not sure if you can trick spawns)
6. I see Toxapex, Staryu and Starmie at Challenge Beach
7. Workout Sea beach has Slowpoke-G, Starmie, Kingler, and there's also a Marill near the beach
8. Loop Lagoon beaches have Grapploct, Sandygast, small chance for Pincurchin

• Training Lowlands beach seems to only have Staryu, with Kingler nearby

Feel free to ask me to check specific locations. Nescientist (talk) 11:35, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Question: are Pokemon levels natural or the "boosted" 60 for you?

I've been able to look around a bit myself. I need to sort out a lot...is it from a table already on the page, is it from another table, (especially) is it a wanderer. As far as Sharpedo, I did notice them and I noticed a few tables that only have Sharpedo. My current guess is that they're their own special kind of spawn (but not daily like wanderers). There's so many other Pokemon all over the island, I'm not sure atm if there are others that fit Sharpedo's mold.

Malamar could be a wanderer. (Wanderers aren't in here.) Does it respawn?

(I think most of the rest is stuff I have to sit down and sort out more.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:45, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Answer: 60.

Most of the Pokémon I mentioned may have been wanderers, especially the evolved ones. I can't seem to find Malamar today, but I guess it's a wanderer (although it's a bit hard to tell when the only difference to 100% symbol encounters is that they will respawn before I leave the area)? I think I'll have to take a look at the raw data: Is this a complete list of non-wanderers here? You can't extract similar lists of wanderers just by looking at the data, you'd have to find out what's where and which weather, or can you? Do all non-boosted wanderers have the same level? I might come up with a plan or something eventually... Nescientist (talk) 11:17, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Wild Area wanderers only spawn once a day, it doesn't matter if you leave the area or not. (If you run or beat them, they stay gone. But some of the wanderers /outside/ the Wild Area respawn.) Everything else can respawn within a few seconds.

If encounters aren't boosted, wanderers have their own levels, they're not all the same.

I actually got the wanderers recently. I've added them...but then, there's so many with no real cues that it may not help a WHOLE lot... Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:09, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm gonna begin putting wanderers onto pages, knowing that it'll only be partially for some locations, hoping for the community to do the rest.

Some other tidbits I didn't already mention:

• Zorua saw me and ran away after a while, and I cannot seem to make it respawn
• There seems to be a difference of Pokémon visually disappearing and actually de-spawning; I saw a Pokémon of "foreign" weather disappear, then instantly approached that spot, and it reappeared as that foreign weather Pokémon (not sure if this is the case in Wild Area as well)
• Sharpedo have a met location of where they're caught, not where they initially spawn (thought it was worth a try)
• Sharpedo respawn near-instantly (so I think they're essentially symbol encounters)
• I'm notoriously bad at describing (exact) locations, so they're up to improvement, but at least you should know which one I'm referring to when you see it
• I'm not keeping track of items
• I'm using levels posted here (if they're unambiguous)

Nescientist (talk) 14:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Condensing the wanderer presentation is actually worth considering, grouping just by species and less by location, at least for locations like Challenge Beach, where nobody will care where exactly the sixth and seventh Pelipper are, but would like to see with just one look without scrolling what species may appear in which weather. Nescientist (talk) 18:13, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I was thinking "six along the beach/path" will probably be fine for some. (There are 50% more wanderers in IoA than the Wild Area without even going into the water-only areas.)

I'll touch on more later. Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:38, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I didn't know any wanderers would run away. I saw Zorua, I'll have to check again.

Yes, you may have to go a bit farther than loss of visual for a Pokemon to actually despawn.

I agree that Sharpedo is like normal symbols; just behaving specially.

I'm trying to fill in my wanderer data at the moment. FWIW, I've seen fog, before it's viable in the Wild Area. I'm not sure the caves have any non-clear weather. And I'm not sure any IoA locations have snow or blizzard (which honestly makes more sense than the Wild Area going all over; also, those'll probably be in Crown Tundra) or thunderstorm (though I have seen rain). I don't know about sandstorm either: Potbottom Desert definitely had it, but that makes sense, I don't know if other places would. I'm also focusing on the primarily land locations first, all that sea is intimidating.

(I guess I'll also have to remember to "wipe" any invalid weathers from pages sometime too...) Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:07, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

The internet agrees that the 15th of each month has a specific weather, with thunderstorm being one of them. One site says sandstorm (which is not on the list) may randomly occur on any non-ocean area, but I think I've only seen it at Potbottom Desert (which they say has an odd behavior). Nescientist (talk) 16:29, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Potbottom is weird, it doesn't fully sync on the 15th in all weathers. Prevailing thunderstorm becomes rain, but prevailing rain becomes cloudy. I haven't tried terribly far, but I don't expect sandstorm to appear anywhere but Potbottom. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:43, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Caves are still clear I suppose? I don't want to fiddle with the dates here, and FYI I've started a discussion at Talk:Brawlers' Cave. Nescientist (talk) 18:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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• Fields of Honor: clear, sun
• Soothing Wetlands: clear, cloudy, rain, sun
• Forest of Focus: clear, cloudy, rain, sun
• Challenge Beach: clear, cloudy, rain, sun
• Brawlers' Cave: clear
• Challenge Road: clear, cloudy, rain, sun
• Courageous Cavern: clear
• Loop Lagoon: clear, cloudy, rain, thunderstorm, sun, fog
• Training Lowlands: clear, cloudy, rain, sun
• Warm-Up Tunnel: clear
• Potbottom Desert: clear, cloudy, rain, sun, sandstorm (only appears randomly), fog
• Workout Sea: clear, cloudy, rain, thunderstorm, sun, fog
• Stepping-Stone Sea: clear, cloudy, rain, thunderstorm, sun, fog
• Insular Sea: clear, cloudy, rain, thunderstorm, sun, fog
• Honeycalm Sea: clear, cloudy, rain, thunderstorm, sun, fog
• Honeycalm Island: clear, cloudy, rain, thunderstorm, sun, fog

FWIW, Training Lowlands, Honeycalm Sea, and Honeycalm Islands also buck prevailing weathers in their own odd way... On Feb 15 and Nov 15 the prevailing weather is cloudy, but on Feb 15 these three places are cloudy while on Nov 15 they're clear... Nowhere else has any difference between those days. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:35, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I noticed that some weather in some places will only appear once you've beaten one of the towers, but it doesn't seem to be a specific weather everywhere. When I beat the tower, the weather at Challenge Beach changed to misty, but I had already seen mist over Workout Sea before. I also just completed the DLC story today and could have sworn that it was Raining in the Fields of Honor when I entered the dojo, but now it's sunny. Didn't pay too close attention to the weather there though, so I might be mistaken. Comparing weather between GrollenKette951, RobbiRobb and myself there also seems to be an additional weather-related trigger when entering the dojo for the first time, allthough that might just have been a comparision mistake as it only seemed to affect one weather in one area (can't remember which). In addition to the list above, I can confirm cluody weather in the Fields of Honor, sandstorm in the Training Lowlands and Challenge Road and thunderstorm in the Soothing Wetlands, and I recall Robbi have sandstorm in the Forest of Focus. I think we also found a lot of weather on Challenge Road trying to match the wanderer tables to the games but I can't recall what they all were.

As far as snow goes, I think it likely can't happen anywhere - I've never seen it and a lot of encounter tables look like copypaste from other weather (most commonly sandstorm). In addition, there is also the bizarre case of Heracross wanderers in Sword and Pinsir wanderers in Shield in Training Lowlands during snow and snowstorm, despite them supposedly being version-exclusive for the other. I also doubt Sandstorm over the ocean, as the amount of weather otherwise matches up nicely to allow one weather per form for the Rotom wanderer in Workout Sea. --mecanno-man^Discussion 14:03, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! I was trying not to do the DLC story...because I didn't know what they affected, I guess. And I kinda figured since I saw fog, I was seeing all there was to see. Do you know what else changes around the island by completing the DLC story? Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:19, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

I've actually only completed the story with saving this night, but completed it multiple times messing around with different Kubfu mistreatment (trade it away, dump it in the day care, refuse to evolve it etc.) to see how that affects the story, hence me noticing the different weather changes. So no, I don't know what else changes. Fron what I've heard Gym Leaders start appearing on the island, but I have no idea if that's the only thing.

Also, Kenaz-Hagalaz reported Wailord respawning, but none of us have been able to trigger it and he himself doesn't know what the trigger could be either. --mecanno-man^Discussion 17:43, 5 July 2020 (UTC)