Talk:Mega Evolution/Archive 1

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Ampharos

This article implies they retconned Ampharos to Dragon-type. As far as I know, he's not; it's the MegaAmpharos who has the Dragon-type... Marked +-+-+ (talk) 14:55, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Oops, didn't notice it. Only if you had reported this 3 minutes ago... TheOriginalOne 14:57, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

mega evolution

Please add that, A new area called the Master Tower is related to Mega Evolutions. --Viv (talk) 15:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC) add this

Should the abilities be added?

In the chart on the page, should the abilities of the mega evolved formes be added? MrBananaMan212 (talk) 17:35, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

IMHO yes, at least for abilities confirmed different from the species's regular Ability. That would include:

• Adaptability for Mega Lucario
• Insomnia for Mega Mewtwo

Whether or not to include Mega Blaziken/Mawile/Ampharos/Absol is still a matter of debate. --Stratelier 04:49, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm uncomfortable with adding Abilities because we don't know if it will be their only Ability, or if their Hidden Ability will be different. I think the info needs to be there, we just need to be careful about it. --SnorlaxMonster 08:22, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Korean name for Mega Evolution

For the sake of completeness.... its Korean name is 메가진화 Mega Jinhwa.

• No analysis needed. -- Nick15 (talk) 17:50, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Request for minor edits...

The aspect ratio on Lucario's image seems to be off (Firefox reports it as being scaled up to 150x227, correct size 150x138). Can someone fix that? I'm not sure what to look for in the markup, and of course, the page is currently locked. --Stratelier 04:53, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I think it's like that because the picture got updated today. It should fix itself soon enough. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 04:59, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

*reloads image* I see. Much better. --Stratelier 03:04, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Um.. I think all of the normal and mega Pokemon's images have been warped by the table. --Ziggyangelo88 (talk) 19:10, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

No, that's happening to all Pokemon articles on all pages. The staff are updating Pokemon images to make them square so they can be used for something (not yet identified) in the future. For now, they appear as though the old images were stretched into the new dimensions. In time, the new images will properly sync and replace them. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:19, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Mega Evolution Physiology

Should we add the appearance of the Mega Evolution forms to the Physiology section of the pages of the Pokemon that have them? Vienna Waltz (talk) 06:05, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea. The Pokémon probably don't need completely separate articles since it's closer to fore changes than actual evolution. Reign (talk) 20:05, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

We can do it like how we did the Kami trio's forme difference physiology. Yamitora1 (talk) 20:09, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Individual Articles

If there's a page for Mega Evolutions, why do the individual Pokemon articles aside from Mewtwo not mention their new forms? Drake Clawfang (talk) 01:05, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

We have to make an extreme amount of modifications to our existing tables and infoboxes in order to accommodate Mega Evolutions. Although we try to be as current and up to date as possible, we also want to only have to mess with the coding for high use templates as few of times as possible, as the wiki will have to force itself to update every single page using the templates, thus causing the site to slow down. We're waiting a little bit to work out all the final kinks to these before implementing them. ^Maverick_Nate 01:51, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough, but couldn't even a mention and link to the article be made in the intro paragraph? Drake Clawfang (talk) 05:03, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

I will never understand this site's policies... Drake Clawfang (talk) 19:21, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Totally agree. It sometimes seems on wikis (not just this one), that things that would be an easy fix, at least temporarily, until the permanent thing is decided upon are not done, leaving the wiki with outdated information, which will only turn away those who are looking for it, and they will go to other places instead. Furthermore, even though wikis are supposed to be "community encyclopedias", it often seems the mods have all the power in deciding how and when things are to be done, even if several regular users express the wish for things to be different. (Again not talking just about Bulbapedia). I just tell myself it will be fixed eventually, and if things still aren't right, the pages will eventually get unlocked, and I can fix it then. CoolDudeAl (talk) 14:45, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Maybe everything could be working with just a few workarounds, but there is a reason why we are not using them. Previously, there hasn't been a Pokémon who could evolve two times and then temporarily evolve a third time just for battle and revert back its final evolution afterwards. Because of that, the templates were never originally programmed to support more than what was already needed since there was no point in doing so at the time, in addition to potentially and unnecessarily slowing down the wiki if it was added to the template. This is why we are currently waiting on the updated templates. We don't want to treat the Mega Evolutions like they are just a form change, especially for those who do have a form change already present in the games. Not to mention that we want to have everything looking nice and in a way that doesn't cause interference with other parts of the wiki. Templates can be coded to do events that they normally would not have to do, such as adding an article to a category if a specific value is true or passes a certain limit. The Pokémon articles rely heavily on this so that the information can be easily added, confirmed, and automatically replaced if there is an issue or mistake. In addition, Archaic is the webmaster of the site and is in charge with keeping the site running efficiently. After him are the other Webmasters, Werdnae as the Editor-in-Chief, the Editorial Board, the Bureaucrats, and so on. Likely, the members of the staff had to make a decision when the Mega Evolution were revealed to keep all the articles as close as possible as to how they were until the PokémonInfobox template could be updated to support everything that we now know. That way, everything could be tested and corrected before the games were release and it would be checked to prevent interference with other parts of the wiki. So, I would assume that when October comes around, the new PokémonInfobox template should already be up and running, which is the goal since we want everything running before the games come out. Hopefully, this will be able to explain what is going on in the background and why things are proceeding as they are.  :) --Super goku (talk) 17:24, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

More Megas

Today the Pokemon website officially released Mega Ampharos, Mega Mawile and Mega Absol. Now could we update their pictures to these instead of the blurry corocoro scans please. --Ziggyangelo88 (talk) 05:31, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

They are updated. It takes time for them to update on Bulbapedia. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 05:36, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

DNA Rainbow

Shouldn't it be noted that the rainbow colored shape above a Pokemon's head while it mega evolves is the same symbol found on the Japanese logo for X and Y? --Ziggyangelo88 (talk) 07:40, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

The DNA symbol you speak of is the Mega Stone. Zeta (talk) 07:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Height/weight

You may also note that MegaEvo can change height and/or weight of the Pokémon. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 07:51, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Images

While I know Serebii is widely considered a fansite, he does have some new images of the Mega Ampharos, Mawile, and Absol that are better than the scans. Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 15:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The high quality artwork of the Mega Evolutions has already been uploaded to the archives, it only takes some time for Bulbapedia's system to recognize the image changes and display the latest version, thus why you still see the low quality scans. It usually takes a couple of days before the correct versions (the high quality artwork) is shown. ☼ BlazingFist ☼ 16:01, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

It appears that images will update when their size is changed, so I made a minor change to the image sizes.--電禅Den Zen 16:10, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Aha, I see them now. Though, on the topic, I think this might be a better image for Mega Kangaskhan. Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 17:26, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

That's hosted by Serebii; we're not allowed to use his stuff. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Ah, well nevermind then. Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 18:45, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Original Ability

Could you put the primary abilities that the Pokemon has before the mega evolution to show how it changes. --Ziggyangelo88 (talk) 09:26, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

We don't know how having a Hidden Ability affects the change, so they will not be put up right now. --SnorlaxMonster 10:28, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

mega evolution seem similar to something else?

Hey not sure if this was the right place to mention this or not, but as a long time fan of Pokemon AND digimon, I cant help but draw similarities between mega evolution, and digivolution from the digimon anime. I only mention this as a matter of curiosity. In the digimon anime, a digimon would digivolve to a higher form during battle, before reverting to they're original form after the battle had ended. I just thought the similarity was worth noting.Silverfin007 (talk) 14:55, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

It's most likely just a coincidence. They're similar concepts, you know? So unless it's officially stated by Game Freak, that theory should be ignored here, with a possible discussion just on the forums オリジナル TheOriginalOne 15:02, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

And if it was intentional, Toei Animation would probably sue Nintendo for plagiarism. SeanWheeler (talk) 15:25, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

It's also similar to characters from Dragonball Z going Super-Saiyan. There's all sorts of things that it could be compared to. Legionaireb (talk) 05:32, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Mega Evolving

As we now know that Mega Evolution occurs when a Pokémon able to Mega Evolve holds a Mega Stone and a specific button is pressed on-screen during battle, as proved yesterday on the Pokémon Game Show demo version of Pokémon X and y, in a photo that was taken, where the in-battle button was showcased. Should the text that states - "In order to undergo a Mega Evolution, the Pokémon must be holding the applicable Mega Stone, and meet a currently unspecified other condition." not be changed to "In order to undergo a Mega Evolution, the Pokémon must be holding the applicable Mega Stone, and the player must select the Mega Evolution button whilst in battle."--ShinyPatch (talk) 20:57, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

No. That was a demo. There is nothing saying that it happens like that in the full game. For all we know, the condition is that it has to be unlocked. I don't think that pressing a button counts as a "condition." Ataro (talk) 21:19, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree, there could be more requirements and restrictions that need to be uncovered first. With something like that it wouldn't surprise me. -Tyler53841 (talk) 00:13, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

OK, thank you. - unsigned comment from ShinyPatch (talk • contribs)

Demo Mewtwo

Has anyone actually gone to the "Pokémon" menu after obtaining the Mewtwo in the demo to see what its Mega Stone is? If they would check its stats to see any increases afterwards, that'd be nice too. I can't seem to find anyone who has, but it seems like it'd be pretty simple to do. For the purposes of getting as much info as possible, perhaps someone with access to a demo who sees this message will give it a try? --GoldenSandslash15 (talk) 22:19, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

The demos were only playable during Pokemon Game Show, an event that ended several days ago. I suppose it's worth looking at when the English demo is available at PAX Prime (Aug. 30 to Sept. 2). Basically, I'm trying to tell you, don't hold your breath: if anyone even can do so, it'll take more than a week before they get the opportunity. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 22:24, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

You'd think someone would have thought to look this info up when playing the demos. Then again, the demos are bare bone so you likely don't have the option to look at a Pokémon's states. Although, someone could have at least figured out Sylveon's type match up to some extent. Is anyone on the Bulbapedia staff attending the american event? Yamitora1 (talk) 23:59, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

In this video of the demo, found on Serebii.Net, the player is given access to the "Pokémon" menu, but the player never does so after obtaining the Mewtwo. --GoldenSandslash15 (talk) 07:47, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I don't exactly have a GOOD source, but according to one user on GameFAQs (again, this isn't at all reliable), the "Summary" option is missing from the Pokémon that you select in your party. So it isn't viewable, if this guy is telling the truth. --GoldenSandslash15 (talk) 21:40, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

We'll keep a look out for that and see about adding it once a better source comes along. --Pokemaster97 21:48, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Same thing with Mega Garchomp

As I stated for Mega Mewtwo X, I also meant the same for Mega Garchomp

The Seeker (talk) 20:58, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

What are you talking about? What did you state? This is the first time you've posted on this talk page. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 21:37, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Pictures for Mega Mewtwo X and Mega Garchomp need replacements

I don't think my previous comment made it through since someone deleted it. I'm inquiring as the title says. The official Pokemon X & Y website has better resolution pictures of Mega Mewtwo X and Mega Garchomp that could be .PNG files. I believe the staff member working on this page can take those pictures and put them in this page for Mega Mewtwo X and Mega Garchomp The Seeker (talk) 17:57, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

They've already been updated in the archives. Bulbapedia takes time to update when that happens. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 17:58, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Also, as you can see from the page history, you never made a previous comment in the first place. We've been having server errors lately, so it's likely that's why you think you made a comment but it does not exist. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:12, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Individual articles for each Mega evolution

Should we create individual articles for each Mega Evolution? Since they aren't simple "form changes" like Giratina, Shaymin and Keldeo etc, but a type of evolution, should we treat them as evolutions or should we just put every information on their respective un-Mega Evolved articles? I personally think they could be viable for their own articles if one were to use an altered version of the regular Pokemon pages (like maybe removing sections like Learnsets etc). Angela-Samshi (talk) 19:39, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't think they need their own articles. They really are pretty similar to form changes since they're afaik once a battle and only last in battle. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 19:47, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Mega Evolutions are just powered up versions of already existing Pokemon. They are not their own separate species and don't need their own articles. Ataro (talk) 20:31, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I think they should at least have illustrated sub-sections in the Pokémon's articles, since some Mega Evolutions have abilities different from even their Hidden Ability (like Mega Venusaur having Thick Fat), as well as different stats and specs. Me, Hurray! (talk) 22:05, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

We are dealing with that. Ataro (talk) 22:13, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Link template?

Could a link template similar to {{Shiny}} or {{Shadow}} be created for Mega Pokémon? If possible, I would make make the template look like

[[Mega Evolution|Mega]]{{#if:{{{1|}}}| {{p|{{{1|}}}}}}}

The "1" parameter optional so it could be used on Anime episode articles. What do you guys think? - Chosen of Mana 13:01, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Might be helpful...

It was confirmed that there would be no Kalos mega evolutions, meaning not all starters will get to mega envolve. I'm new dont yell. HoennRemake (talk) 14:57, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

• Do you have a link to a source confirming that? Also, people won't yell at you here very often, at the most we will just be really blunt. Comes with the territory of weeding out fan-speculation from the actual facts, as that's what this site tries to focus on. And some people do believe that something that is obvious to them, but not officially confirmed to be true, can pass as a fact; when there is always a chance they can be wrong, but I digress. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 21:06, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

It's from a interview with Masuda. I'll have to try to find a link. Not sure if it needs to be noted however. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 21:07, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! X-D Was wondering where that was mentioned, this is what happens when I try to rely on the news page here for my source of updates. LOL ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 21:11, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

thanks funktastic for backing me up! HoennRemake (talk) 21:13, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Torpoleon posted this on Pokémon Professor. It's what you're looking for. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 21:26, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

• Good, thanks. That's all I needed. It now is just a matter of the admins getting the time to add this, but I think they will do that once they get a few more things figured out, including any template updates, 'cause I hear they are trying to sort that out with the way things are changing with the games. (Makes sense, sprites will be replaced with 3D models...maybe, at least for Generation VI and Mega Evolutions might have to be implemented somehow, IDK. That's what I think they are gonna have to sort out along with other stuff.) ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 21:48, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

"Pokémon that Mega Evolve" Category?

• This might be a bit premature, but seeing that not all Pokémon Mega Evolve, should there be a category for all the ones that do? Just a suggestion as well. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 17:40, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, I personally think there should be a category like that, it'd be very useful. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 01:54, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't know how to upload pics here...

So plz someone who knows, add this to the article Sandubadear (talk) 01:53, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Misleading information

In the paragraph saying that in online battles and the Battle Maison the opponent's Pokemon gets to move first it a false statement. I always lead with my Mega Blastoise there and more often than not out speeds its opponents unless the opposing Pokemon is faster. Also I have watch some wifi battles posted on Youtube and have seen Mega Evolutions move before the opponent.

I think this may need to be changed. --Zdude0127 (talk) 05:05, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

100 BST increase?

Alakazam's page claims that Alakazam has a BST of 500, but Mega Alakazam has only 590. Assuming that page is correct, this one isn't. Ampharos also goes from 500 to 610. Those are the only exceptions, so it's entirely possible that there was an error calculating them, but I dunno. --Wynd Fox 05:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Pictures

A lot of the Mega Evolutions on this page don't have a picture/sprite for them. Can someone please put them in? Functioning Blaziken (talk) 15:21, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

For what it's worth, those are missing because official art for them hasn't yet been released, so we don't have any. I don't know why we aren't using screenshots, but that's why there's no artwork for them, at least. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:13, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Mega Shinys

Has anyone tried mega-evolving a Shiny Pokemon yet? I'm very interested in knowing what happens with that. Legionaireb (talk) 05:33, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Yep, Mega Evolutions have their own shiny palettes. Shiny Mega Charizard X, for example, is aqua with red wings. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:37, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Garchomp is pink/purple, Gengar is white, Banette's the same as regular shiny Banette. Those are the ones that come to mind. I don't think I've seen the others. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 05:47, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Would it be worth putting these into the table to show the shiny forms as well as the normal forms?--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 19:03, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Not at all. Beyond perhaps mentioning that shinies Mega Evolve shiny, shininess is entirely irrelevant to Mega Evolution. If someone really wants to know what a Mega Pokemon looks like shiny, they can look at the Pokemon's page (...once we get Gen VI sprites/whatever, that is). Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:14, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Ability of Pokémon before Mega Evolution

We should really have a column in the "Before Mega Evolution" section with the Pokémon's standard in-game abilities listed at the least. Dialgafan1 (talk) 18:17, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Template suggestion

I know we've been avoiding treating Mega Evolution like "evolution" per se, since it's only in-battle, but even form changes — including only-in-battle ones like Castform's — have their forms listed in the "evolution" template above their sprite galleries. Would it not be prudent to include Mega Evolutions in these templates, with ↔ instead of → and with "Mega Evolution" instead of "first evolution" or "second evolution"? And once we get all the Mega Stone images, we could use those for the icons. Is this a good idea? If not, shouldn't we remove forms like Castform's from the evolution template? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 22:11, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Trivia?

Is it worth noting that Charizard and Mewtwo are the only Pokémon to receive more than one Mega Form? Frozen Fennec 19:45, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

No. Since there are more than one of them, there isn't an "only". Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:05, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

I meant as in the only Pokémon to currently have two or more Mega Forms available to them. Frozen Fennec 15:50, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

And he meant that since there are more than one that using the word "only" is incorrect. With how few Pokémon can Mega Evolve, there being more than one that can do something makes it not notable. Glik (talk) 16:04, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Something unique about Mega Blaziken

Is it trivia worthy to note that Blaziken is the only Pokémon that gained a Mega Evolution and is not found in any of the Kalos Pokédexes? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 23:42, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Given that there's apparently Mega Latias/Latios just waiting to be revealed, I would say no. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 23:46, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

On the other hand, the article notes Mewtwo is the only Legendary who can Mega Evolve. I guess since the Lati@s Megas haven't been revealed yet? Drake Clawfang (talk) 00:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

This Article is Incomplete??? Also Rest and Sleep Talk work normally

Ok, Maybe its real early here and I can't get my English reading skills up to par, but what the heck is being asked in that Diglet banner?

Also, in case my reading of it was correct, I just taught my Lucario rest and Sleep Talk, and they both work normally. Yamitora1 (talk) 15:05, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

The banner appears to say that we don't know if Sleeping or Frozen Pokémon can Mega-Evolve, and if they can't, if Sleep Talk or Snore would allow a sleeping Pokémon to do so. --Wynd Fox 18:56, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I know for a fact Paralysis and Sleep has no effect on preventing Mega Evolution. I'm not sure about frozen Pokémon, but the article already states that status ailments have no effect on mega evolution. Also you can choose to Mega Evolve and select the move Sleep talk and it will work as normal. So I think the banner should be taken down. Yamitora1 (talk) 23:50, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Trivia?

Is it worth noting that even though mega evolution was introduced in X/Y, none of the new pokemon introduced in those games can mega-evolve? Pmawhorter (talk) 17:21, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Didn't someone say in an interview that this was deliberate, so they didn't end up designing fully evolved Pokemon that felt incomplete? That might be worth mentioning. Yamiidenryuu (talk) 15:39, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Mega Pokémon Sprites

I was just on the list of Pokémon by base stats page and noticed that Mega Evolved Pokémon are using their normal form's sprite instead of the Mega Evolution's sprite. Have the Mega Evolution sprites been uploaded yet? Shouldn't the articles use these sprites instead of the normal one, after all there is a sprite for each of Deoxys' forms. Yamitora1 (talk) 21:04, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Mega Latias & Mega Latios

I was just wondering, has Mega Latias and Mega Latios been confirmed? I don't think they have, unless I missed something (which is possible). I know Diance has been confirmed, but like one person asked on Diance's page if the other 2 rumored legends are basically confirmed cause Diance was, should a page be created for them and they said no not until confirmation, would't the same apply to Mega Latias and Mega Latios. Again, unless I missed something, shouldn't they not be on here? - unsigned comment from Demers-Vachon (talk • contribs)

admin decision. action replay cheats. plenty of trustworthy people have the lati@site hence why they're under "unreleased". hoopa and volcanion remain unconfirmed until a similar situation happens. --The Truth aka Relicant 07:59, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Ah ok, I was just wondering, thanks for answering back! :-) - unsigned comment from Demers-Vachon (talk • contribs)

I also know that Mega Latias has been released but you have to have the Action Replay Powersaves Cheat Device for 3DS Games or the Action Replay PowerSaves Pro - Nintendo 3DS, and as for Mega Latios, it was removed from the device, along with Diancie, Hoopa, AZ's Floette, and Volcanion, rumors say they are not supposed to be back on the device until July. Mega Latias- Extracted from- theangryaron.deviantart.com - unsigned comment from Bubbaroocook (talk • contribs)

This seems like a really odd decision to me. Don't we only include information that has been confirmed? It does seem likely that we'll see these mega's in OR/AS, but it's still at least somewhat possible they were scrapped prior to release and weren't included in X and Y for good reason. Assuming they'll be added seems anti wiki. - unsigned comment from Five (talk • contribs)

A staff member was able to confirm their (the Mega Lati@s, not Hoopa and Volcanion) existence, hence why they're on the page.--ForceFire 03:12, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

As much as I like the Mega Lati@s information appearing, I am going to argue that the explanation on why the Mega Lati@s data was added is odd. How can we confirm the existence of Mega Lati@s, yet we cannot confirm the existence of Hoopa and Volcanion? If anything, I would feel that the Mega Lati@s info should not be added. --Super goku (talk) 05:25, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Mega evolution table

Could we change the 'X color' in the Mega Evolution table to 'X color light?' I think it'd be a little easier on the eyes. FireGambit (talk) 15:41, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Original Abilities (again)

I know this has been brought up several times already, but is there some reason at this point the original abilities aren't in the table? The original concern seems to have been uncertainty as to how HAs interacted but it seems pretty sorted that they don't, so... Ikarishipper900 (talk) 03:24, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Pokémon have several possible Abilities (usually 3), whereas Mega Evolutions have only one. That's why they weren't originally added, but I don't think it means that they cannot be. --SnorlaxMonster 01:41, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Strong Bond

This page says, "Mega Evolution cannot be achieved if there is not a strong bond between Trainer and Pokémon", so how strong does the bond have to be to Mega Evolve and should we put it on this page? Has anyone found out this yet? ----Ethan (Discussion) 01:28, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

It's just a flavor thing in the game's script. It's not related to any game mechanics. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 01:37, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh, it isn't? So it just says so in the script and there isn't a set friendship value? It would have been kind of cool if it was that way in my opinion. ----Ethan (Discussion) 14:56, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Fleshing out

I was considering fleshing out the body of this page by making it similar to the listing on Form differences. Each section would started with brief instructions on how to obtain their respective Mega Stone, including whether the Mega Stone upgrade is required or not. It would then compare the base form and the mega form(s) as seen here:

Blastoise  Water  Torrent Hidden: Rain Dish HP Atk Def SpA SpD Spe 79 83 100 85 105 78

Blastoise Mega Blastoise  Water  Mega Launcher Blastoisinite HP Atk Def SpA SpD Spe 79 103 120 135 115 78

Obviously, this would have a large impact on how the page looks, so I wanted to see if I could get anymore opinions and suggestions. - Chosen of Mana 16:11, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me. It's the main page on the concept, after all, so having stats and comparisons here seems like a rational choice. Only thing I don't completely agree with is the Stone locations since that's all on the Mega Stone article, and the locations of the stones don't matter to the evolutions themselves. Schiffy (瀬藤健二) (Talk Contribs) 16:52, 3/19/2014 (UTC)

I feel like the sections should have more subsistence than just the "compare" panels, though... I can't think of any alternatives. - Chosen of Mana 20:55, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

MegaEvo evolution template

LINK What are you thinking? Is it possible to make something like this template? I already have firebugged a page, but maybe it is a good idea... Asmod96 (talk) 15:58, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Trivia

Should it be worth mentioning that both of the Pokémon that have multiple Mega Evolutions so far are the first Pokémon to ever show up in the anime?

Charizard was the first Pokémon seen in the first Japanese opening of the anime, while Mewtwo (and Mew) were the first seen in all other countries. Now of course, there will be more Pokémon with multiple Mega Evolutions added in the future (we can assume as much) so that might not be important later on, but I think it's something worth noting for now. - unsigned comment from BlackButterfree (talk • contribs)

Possibly, but I don't think it's notable enough to be added onto the page. --Wowy_(Talk) 08:36, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Mega Groudon and Mega Kyogre?

So Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire and have been announced, and looking at the box covers, it would appear Groudon and Kyogre have been given Mega Evolutions much like the Eon Duo.

Should this be added to the article (I'm guessing not) and if not, should we protect this article to prevent the addition? Yamitora1 (talk) 21:34, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

The page probably should be protected but there isn't any evidence to suggest that Groudon or Kyogre have Mega Evolutions at this moment in time.----samm :D 21:38, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

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original form

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Actually there is visual evidence. The Box art for the games clearly show that Groudon and Kyogre underwent a transformation, and given this gen's mechanics, common sense says its a Mega Evolution.

Groudon's Teeth and Spikes become black, and his tail becomes longer (as evident with the tail spikes being spaced further apart) with the tip fanning out more.

Kyogre's tail becomes morphed with new groves and it has larger as well as new markings as well. Some of its red markings also have become blue.

But regardless the page should be protected, as should all pages relating to RS, these two and the mega evolution mechanics.Yamitora1 (talk) 22:11, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

"Common sense" and "visual evidence" are not confirmation. They're speculation. Apart from the new markings on Kyogre's forehead, I'd be willing to attribute everything you just listed to artistic license to make the boxart look cooler, not necessarily any actual redesign/form change/Mega Evolution/other in-game mechanic. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 22:36, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

I agree, too much early speculation at best, I seriously doubt any of this is true unless if more concrete evidence was officially released by Nintendo themselves. -Tyler53841 (talk) 22:42, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Well regardless, at least the page has been protected until further info can be found.Yamitora1 (talk) 23:34, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

They coluld be mega evolutions, but we should wait before we know more about the games as not much is known about them now. --✓PikaTepig999✓ 09:13, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

This could just be a visual indicator that they're under the influence of their respective orbs (which could admittedly be retconned into Mega Stones). エルレイド 08:05, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

The new CoroCoro info confirms that these are actually Prehistoric/Primal/Primeval form of Groudon & Kyogre which are achieved through a process called "Ancient Devolution". It also confirms Mega's for Sceptile Swampert & Diancie.--LatS (talk) 18:07, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I suppose it's possible Serebii got "Ancient Devolution" from a source, but I don't see anything on the magazine scans that would translate as "devolution". (I could also be missing it, or it could just be outside of the scans.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:52, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

New Mega Evolutions from ORAS

I already did it so you can just copy and paste the code. - unsigned comment from Asmod96 (talk • contribs)

Pokémon	Before Mega Evolution		After Mega Evolution			Mega Stone
	Image	Type	Image	Type	Ability
Venusaur		Grass  Poison		Grass  Poison	Thick Fat	Venusaurite
Charizard		Fire  Flying		Fire  Dragon	Tough Claws	Charizardite X
				Fire  Flying	Drought	Charizardite Y
Blastoise		Water		Water	Mega Launcher	Blastoisinite
Alakazam		Psychic		Psychic	Trace	Alakazite
Gengar		Ghost  Poison		Ghost  Poison	Shadow Tag	Gengarite
Kangaskhan		Normal		Normal	Parental Bond	Kangaskhanite
Pinsir		Bug		Bug  Flying	Aerilate	Pinsirite
Gyarados		Water  Flying		Water  Dark	Mold Breaker	Gyaradosite
Aerodactyl		Rock  Flying		Rock  Flying	Tough Claws	Aerodactylite
Mewtwo		Psychic		Psychic  Fighting	Steadfast	Mewtwonite X
				Psychic	Insomnia	Mewtwonite Y
Ampharos		Electric		Electric  Dragon	Mold Breaker	Ampharosite
Scizor		Bug  Steel		Bug  Steel	Technician	Scizorite
Heracross		Bug  Fighting		Bug  Fighting	Skill Link	Heracronite
Houndoom		Dark  Fire		Dark  Fire	Solar Power	Houndoominite
Tyranitar		Rock  Dark		Rock  Dark	Sand Stream	Tyranitarite
Sceptile		Grass		Grass  Dragon	Lightning Rod	???
Blaziken		Fire  Fighting		Fire  Fighting	Speed Boost	Blazikenite
Swampert		Water  Ground		Water  Ground	Swift Swim	???
Gardevoir		Psychic  Fairy		Psychic  Fairy	Pixilate	Gardevoirite
Mawile		Steel  Fairy		Steel  Fairy	Huge Power	Mawilite
Aggron		Steel  Rock		Steel	Filter	Aggronite
Medicham		Fighting  Psychic		Fighting  Psychic	Pure Power	Medichamite
Manectric		Electric		Electric	Intimidate	Manectite
Banette		Ghost		Ghost	Prankster	Banettite
Absol		Dark		Dark	Magic Bounce	Absolite
Garchomp		Dragon  Ground		Dragon  Ground	Sand Force	Garchompite
Lucario		Fighting  Steel		Fighting  Steel	Adaptability	Lucarionite
Abomasnow		Grass  Ice		Grass  Ice	Snow Warning	Abomasite
Diancie		Rock  Fairy		Rock  Fairy	???	???

There's a note at the bottom saying that no Generation V or VI Pokemon have Mega Evolutions. Please change it to just V, due to Diancie being Generation VI. Digifiend (talk) 10:12, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

We're not certain if the leaks are true. Once there's confirmation, we may add it in. Berrenta (talk) 14:05, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Excuse me if the question shouldn't go here, but what does define when something is confirmed? Because previous times where there were scan leaks like these they're pretty much assumed to be real. The same happened with Volcanion and Hoppa (which were discovered the same way the Azure Flute was)... --Gabo 2oo (talk) 00:11, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

It's because the leaks were leaked earlier than usual. Normally, CoroCoro would leak on the 10th of every month, but here it was leaked a day or two early. --ForceFire 02:21, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

I guess we can at least put in Mega Sceptile and Mega Swampert now that they have been officially confirmed. Dialgafan1 (talk) 00:34, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't know if I want to enter those until we find a way to differentiate between XY megas and ORAS megas. Otherwise, the info could be confusing or misleading. --Pokemaster97 00:39, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Since they're technically unreleased, I put the three new ones in the unreleased section. We're probably going to have to do something to show the availability in each game at some point in the future. --Pokemaster97 02:44, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Neat..er? Mega Swampert

since i cant upload images (..evenificouldthispageisprotectedlel) i made this mega swampert cutout thingie for a forum post so.. if anyone's interested here: SbTditdatdwt (talk) 08:32, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Mega Sableye Revealed!

Just now Mega Sableye was revealed.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhBSCthYTLE

Edit: Based on Pokebeach's report (and also confirmed by Serebii), it keeps it original typing of "Dark/Ghost".- unsigned comment from LatS (talk • contribs)

Other fansites are not an acceptable source. When it becomes officially revealed, we'll add it. --Pokemaster97 21:23, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Pokebeach and Serebii don't even say anything like that...--電禅Den Zen 21:37, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Just something I noticed, Sableye's left (our right) hand isn't attached to its gem. Is it levitating it or something? --JoeIsCool (talk) 00:41, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Anime and manga sections

Could somebody please update the anime and manga sections? They haven't been updated for quite a while, and I think they should be brought up to date. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 21:11, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
PS. That Mega Sableye really came out of nowhere for me! :o

Diancite

The italian trailer revealed that Diancie Mega Evolves using the Diancite. Source ----samm :D 22:53, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Some Mega Stones have different names between Italian and English versions, so Diancite may not be the English name.--電禅Den Zen 23:02, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Broken Mega Sceptile and Mega Swampert images

the images for Mega Sceptile and Mega Swampert do not show up on their respective articles despite the mega evolution article having the art work.Yamitora1 (talk) 02:35, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire featuring Mega Evolutions ...

So with ORAS talking about Mega Evolutions, should that mean that Mega Evolutions aren't exclusive to the Kalos Region, but exclusive to the Hoenn Region and quite possibly other regions too. Just a thought. Bluekirbystar (talk) 05:46, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

We'll see. For all we know at this point, all the Mega Stones available in ORAS could be imported from Kalos. It's somewhat likely that it'll be retconned just like earlier features (for instance, double battles being exclusive to Hoenn), but it's too early to assume so. --Andy^P_K^M_N (talk) 13:43, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

The UK trailer indicates that the Mega Stone for Mega Diancie is obtained within the games. Also, its already been more or less made known that the Mega Stones for the Eon Duo cannot be traded, so there is limits to that theory. Yamitora1 (talk) 21:07, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

"Mega Ring" page moved...

Would a staff member like to change the links to the "Mega Ring" page to point to Key Stone instead now? There's one in the Mega Evolving section and one in the In the Pokémon Adventures manga section. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:16, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for letting us know. Berrenta (talk) 14:26, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

New Table

I've worked on a new table for the Pokémon capable of Mega Evolution. I think the one on the page at the minute is quite large and seeming it's likely we're going to be getting more as time progresses, I thought of having one a little more 'compact'. There is a template that means less coding on the actual Mega Evolution page and the actual full code version. Don't know if you want to use them, tweak them, delete them, etc. but they're there to be used if needed (User:s2daam/Template:Megalistheader/User:s2daam/Template:Megalistbody with the coding for this page here) or the full coding here. ----samm :D 08:31, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

This is rather late, but I prefer this table. Nutter Butter (talk) 18:03, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Mega Sableye's picture is weird?

why is the photo for mega sableye have a pokeball thing.. when there's already one on the official website with no pokeball thing.. - unsigned comment from SbTditdatdwt (talk • contribs)

(hotlinking is unnecessary) The image simply hadn't updated on this side yet. You can see here the image is clean. Kai * the Arc Toraph 18:48, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

TRIVIA!!!

The Hoenn starters are the second to receive Mega Evolutions to their final forms, the Kanto starters are the first.- AwesomeDJPokémon 06:57, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Seconds aren't notable.--ForceFire 08:07, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

OK. How about this? "Since the announcement of the third generation remakes, the Kanto and Hoenn starters are the only ones to received Mega Evolutions to their final forms." —AwesomeDJPokémon 13:44, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Still not really notable, since it's extremely conditional and likely to go out of date in short order (especially since we can't even be sure that all Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire Mega Evoluitions have been revealed, so those games could include another set for all we know). --Andy^P_K^M_N (talk) 15:22, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

PLASMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Is it worth noting that the description of Mega Evolution (Pokemon releasing the hidden power they have) is similar to Team Plasma's plot in the anime? Nutter Butter (talk) 23:01, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

No, not really. Its probably just coincidental--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 17:30, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Just curious...

I know the whole hacker/leaker thing is a bit of a soft spot here, but why did we add the Mega Latis if they were only confirmed by the same hack/leak? :/ Nutter Butter (talk) 22:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Also, in the section about the anime, it mentions that all of the known Megas except the unreleased Latis appeared, but Sceptile/Swampert/Diancie/Sableye didn't appear either. Nutter Butter (talk) 22:44, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

A staff member was able to confirm the existence of the Lati@site, thus confirming the Mega Lati@s.--ForceFire 00:53, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

And cannot confirm the existence of Volcanion or Hoopa? Asmod96 (talk) 10:56, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Not at the moment, no.--ForceFire 11:00, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Released and Unreleased

Maybe that's just me, but I believe Mega Pokémon should be separated by game they were introducted in, instead of simply by "released" and "unreleased". Ratcicle Fan (talk) 18:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

That's a good idea but should probably be put on hold until after they have been released as there is no guarantee that they will release Latios and Latias, (the two pokémon confirmed through hacking not announcements), with the Hoenn Remakes.--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 18:38, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

In my opinion it's better to keep all Mega Evolutions together in one table (although ones that are still unreleased should obviously be separated). It's easier to navigate that way. What could be an idea though is to add another bracket with what games the Mega Evolution debuted in. although it's better to do that after ORAS has been officially released and we can add most of the unreleased ones to the main table. ☼ BlazingFist ☼ 19:23, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

I would definitely agree with Blazingfist. It think it would look a lot better with on table but with the extra column. --HoennMaster 21:47, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

It seems to me like the only reason indicating that would be necessary would be if X & Y weren't compatible with the new Mega Evolutions. If you can trade the new Mega Stones to X/Y and the new ORAS Megas will evolve just fine, then I don't think an "Introduced in" column would be necessary (it'd basically be trivia IMO). If that's the case, I think it'd be fine to just have that information basically on the Mega Stone page (just reflected by which games you can and can't obtain a given Mega Stone in). Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:04, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm under the impression that these new Mega Evolutions will be exclusive to ORAS. If they had intended to patch new Pokémon/Mega Evolutions in, we wouldn't have Mega Latios/Latias and the new Mythical Pokémon in the game data, and probably some free indices near the existing Mega Stones for new ones to be patched onto (like the Engima Berry in Gen III). --SnorlaxMonster 03:20, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Surely they would have to patch it if the games are linked and can battle with one another. Otherwise you could mega evolve a ORAS Poké and cause X or Y to freeze up due to lack of data. Considering the fact that updating is possible, in order to prevent early leaking of the new megas (or maybe they were unfinished) they didn't add them into the coding with the intention to update the games with them later. So patching them in is possible and almost likely due to compatibility with different game modes between games.--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 10:02, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I really do think we should have all the Mega's together, bar Latios and Latias who should remain under 'unreleased'. Yes, technically all these Mega's are Unreleased, but we know for a fact they will be released soon. We have no idea if or when Latios/Latias will be released publicly. ----samm :D 10:09, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

They shouldn't be listed separately following the release of ORAS, but until then they are unavailable because the games themselves aren't available. Technically since people have hacked the Lati's stones onto their games, they have been released, but until ORAS is released in November the others are completely unavailable.--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 10:12, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Mega Stone names

On the aforementioned Mega Evolutions page, I've noticed that there isn't a stone for each unreleased Pokémon capable of doing so, sans Latias and Latios. Is it okay to guess that (and these are just from my viewpoint) Sceptile would Mega Evolve using Sceptilite, Swampert using Swampertite, Sableye using Sablenite, Metagross using Metagrossite, and Diancie using Diancite? I'm just curious and find the topic interesting. WATERWARRIOR67 (talk) 16:12, 5 August 2014 (UTC)WATERWARRIOR67

No, we don't guess the names for the Mega Stones. We wait for an official source to release the official names. ☼ BlazingFist ☼ 16:32, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh. Okay. I just like to guess and didn't see any harm in doing it. Thanks for letting me know! WATERWARRIOR67 (talk) 01:11, 6 August 2014 (UTC)WATERWARRIOR67

Add Altaria, Salamance, and Lopunny.

See the title. Buffbills7701 (talk) 11:57, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I actually made table with new Mega Evos here: bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Asmod96/Sandbox Asmod96 (talk) 12:22, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Will add it. Also, Asmod, if you wish to link to a bulbapedia page, simply take the title of the page and surround it with two pairs of square brackets. For example: you could use [[User:Asmod96/Sandbox]] to get User:Asmod96/Sandbox. Berrenta (talk) 12:30, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Also, the Trivia needs editing, it currently states that both Normal and Ice have the least amount of Mega's, while now only Ice has the least. ----samm :D 12:39, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

And done. Berrenta (talk) 14:13, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Legendary Pokémon

On the page of the Pokémon listed as being capable of Mega Evolution, I'd like to add trivia. Mewtwo, Latias, Latios, and Diancie are the only legendary Pokémon capable of doing so. I know that out of these, only Mewtwo has been released. Let me know what the opinions are on that. WATERWARRIOR67 (talk) 16:00, 11 August 2014 (UTC)WATERWARRIOR67

It's not unique, and it's otherwise perfectly visible in the body of the page... Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:06, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Korean Site Leaks

It seems that the Official Korean Pokemon Site has revealed 'Mega Slowbro' & 'Mega Audino'.--LatS (talk) 09:41, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Mega Audino means change in the Trivia section

With the confirmation of Mega Audino, the statement that "no Generation V are capable of mega evolving" is now inaccurate. It should be changed to something like "Before Omeaga Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, no Generation V Pokémon could mega evolve". (Arikk (talk) 10:15, 12 August 2014 (UTC))

It should be removed altogether, or as an alteration to what Arikk suggested: "Before Omeaga Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, no Generation V or VI Pokémon could mega evolve". Although the Gen VI bit is slightly more noteable due to the introduction of Megas being in Gen VI.--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 10:18, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Trivia Suggestion

• Gardevoir and Slowbro are the only to two Pokémon from a branched evolutionary line to be capable of Mega Evolution. Additionally both Pokemon where the first of their respective branches to be introduced.

Or something along those lines. TheFatPanda (talk) 15:52, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

It's not really "only" if there's more than one Pokémon from a branched evolutionary line. --Pokemaster97 16:27, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

He said "only two" meaning there are two. I think it is worth adding. Bry Landry (talk) 00:51, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

You can call any number "only" so long as you consider it relatively small. But that's the problem: that's subjective. So as a rule we generally consider things that aren't entirely exclusive/unique to be unnotable. Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:01, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

That's fine. I'm a stickler for grammar, so I had to point it out. Bry Landry (talk) 01:09, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Three new Megas

All the other megas in the unreleased section (and released section) are all in pokédex number, the addition of the three newest ones are not, can someone change that?--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 12:23, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for pointing that out. Berrenta (talk) 12:48, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Mega Gallade's image is also not showing up for me. Is that just lag from the archives and Bulbapedia syncing or is there something wrong with the file name?--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 15:46, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

No one's uploaded a picture of Mega Gallade yet. So far the only picture that I'm aware of is of him is with Wally, and no one's uploaded one of just Mega Gallade. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 20:09, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Mega-Stone interactions with Knock Off

It appears the move Knock Off is not included in the list of moves that interact with the foe's item. Trick, Switcheroo, for example are included but not Knock Off. Also to my knowledge, Knock Off CAN knock off the opponent's Mega-Stone on a switch-in or if they don't Mega-Evolve the turn Knock Off is used. I think this should be added. Any thoughts? - unsigned comment from Disgraced (talk • contribs)

Knock Off does not interact with Mega Stones. glik^glak 21:33, 10 September 2014 (UTC)