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Is there a particular reason we're using two separate shape orders? In the table that shows how the icons have visually changed over the generations, it goes head — head and legs — fins — insectoid, etc. But the subsections below are ordered head — serpentine — fins — head and arms, etc. Almost none of the shapes are in the same place in both lists, or are nearby any of the same neighboring shapes in both lists. Can someone explain the reason for this, please? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:26, 15 March 2017 (UTC) | Is there a particular reason we're using two separate shape orders? In the table that shows how the icons have visually changed over the generations, it goes head — head and legs — fins — insectoid, etc. But the subsections below are ordered head — serpentine — fins — head and arms, etc. Almost none of the shapes are in the same place in both lists, or are nearby any of the same neighboring shapes in both lists. Can someone explain the reason for this, please? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:26, 15 March 2017 (UTC) | ||
:The order used [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pokémon_by_body_style&diff=2446397&oldid=2435742#List_of_Pok.C3.A9mon_by_body_style here] is the order used in-game for the respective generation (someone complained that they didn't match up between generations, so it's since been changed to match Gen VI/VII). The order on the list and in the filenames and on Pokémon pages is the Generation IV Pokédex order read in a different direction, IIRC. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 18:30, 15 March 2017 (UTC) | :The order used [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pokémon_by_body_style&diff=2446397&oldid=2435742#List_of_Pok.C3.A9mon_by_body_style here] is the order used in-game for the respective generation (someone complained that they didn't match up between generations, so it's since been changed to match Gen VI/VII). The order on the list and in the filenames and on Pokémon pages is the Generation IV Pokédex order read in a different direction, IIRC. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 18:30, 15 March 2017 (UTC) | ||
::OK. I imagine we probably don't want to go through the hoops of renumbering the filenames, but should we correct the order of the subsections, at least? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:35, 15 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::The sections are linked from each of the images. It's probably not worth trouble to move them about, unless we come down with a single order they'll follow absolutely FOREVER. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:07, 15 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
== Alolan Persian == | |||
I’m not an avid editor on Bulbapedia, and I don’t know how to add Alolan Persian, but it’s missing. | |||
[[User:Gentleflipper|Gentleflipper]] ([[User talk:Gentleflipper|talk]]) 04:17, 26 May 2020 (UTC) Gentleflipper | |||
: As per the second paragraph in the opening, its form doesn't differ enough to be categorised differently to regular Persian, so it would be in ''Pokémon with a quadruped body''. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 12:34, 26 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
== Infobox shape issues == | |||
Currently, Slowbro's Infobox says that Galarian Slowbro is Head & Arms, but this is intended for Mega Slowbro. I haven't found a way to fix this. Additionaly, notably Necrozma, Zygarde, and Meowth fails to inform of the varying shapes. [[User:WOLKsite|WOLKsite]] ([[User talk:WOLKsite|talk]]) 16:05, 21 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Gigantamax? == | |||
AFAIK HOME lists G-Max forms and also shapes, so anyone with G-Max forms registered on their HOME can see the shape classification. Is this true? If so, can we have them added here? | |||
Of course, I'm assuming they haven't been accounted for here; this is partly because my intuition suggests that, for example, G-Max Pikachu or Meowth would be listed differently. And we know intuition is a terrible aid for guessing actual shapes. However! Meowth has a bit of text at the top explaining how different regional forms are different shapes. ''Whatever'' shape G-Max Meowth is, shouldn't it be mentioned there, since Meowth is already complicated enough to warrant a discussion of form differences? | |||
In general, I just don't see enough evidence suggesting that G-Max forms have actually been considered yet by anyone editing this page. If they have, and anyone can just confirm that all G-Maxes are the same shape as their base forms, we'd be solid (an edit to the note about Meowth, and maybe a general statement to the effect of "All Gigantamax forms are blah blah blah" would suffice I think). If not, well, we ought to have that info eh? | |||
[[User:Pichugetic|Pichugetic]] ([[User talk:Pichugetic|talk]]) 22:43, 30 October 2022 (UTC) | |||
:I've obtained some confusing information. Firstly, the dex in HOME doesn't show forms directly; it only has forms as a search filter. Second, this filter doesn't account for anything but the "default" form. Case in point is again Meowth; according to this article Galarian Meowth is bipedal, but even if I view Galarian Meowth and immediately search the dex by the bipedal shape, it doesn't show up. | |||
:The article says shapes were a thing in USUM and then HOME, which I presume means SwSh didn't care about shapes. If that's the case, where did we get to learn that Galarian Meowth is bipedal? | |||
:Yours confusedly. [[User:Pichugetic|Pichugetic]] ([[User talk:Pichugetic|talk]]) 02:50, 3 November 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Gen 9 Home Discrepancies == | |||
It seems there are a bunch of discrepancies of Gen 9 body shapes depending on whether you go by the console or mobile version of HOME. | |||
'''Console:''' | |||
* Poltchageist and Sinistcha are only heads | |||
* Smoliv, Toedscool, and Flittle are heads with legs | |||
* Pawmi, Brute Bonnet, Slither Wing, and Sandy Shocks are quadrupeds | |||
* Dipplin consists of multiple bodies | |||
* Quaxly, Quaxwell, Quaquaval, Espathra, Scream Tail, Iron Bundle, Koraidon, and Okidogi are tailed bipeds | |||
* Lokix, Dolliv, Arboliva, Annihilape, and Munkidori are tailless bipeds | |||
* Flutter Mane is winged | |||
'''Mobile:''' | |||
* Flutter Mane and Dipplin are only heads | |||
* Lokix is insectoid | |||
* Koraidon is a quadruped | |||
* Slither Wing is a winged insectoid | |||
* Sandy Shocks consists of multiple bodies | |||
* Toedscool is tentacled | |||
* Smoliv, Dolliv, Arboliva, and Okidogi are heads with a base | |||
* Pawmi, Annihilape, Brute Bonnet, and Munkidori are tailed bipeds | |||
* Scream Tail and Iron Bundle are tailless bipeds | |||
* Quaxly, Quaxwell, Quaquaval, Flittle, and Espathra are winged | |||
* Poltchageist and Sinistcha are heads with arms | |||
The console body shapes seems overall more accurate/consistent (especially looking at Okidogi) and are probably what we should go with, though I figure this inconsistency should be noted here and possible in each Pokemon's trivia section. --[[User:Mr. Bonding|Mr. Bonding]] ([[User talk:Mr. Bonding|talk]]) 03:41, 1 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
:I would definitely recommend prioritizing the Switch version (since I believe Game Freak's the developer for it) over the mobile version (which I believe ILCA did). The discrepancies can be noted in a section here and in trivia on the Pokémon pages, but I don't think it makes sense to treat them as equally authoritative when there have been errors in the mobile version only before (Poké Shifter comes to mind). --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 02:32, 8 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
::Well, these were all fixed in a recent update! Not sure if it's still worth noting somewhere. --[[User:Mr. Bonding|Mr. Bonding]] ([[User talk:Mr. Bonding|talk]]) 23:34, 17 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Corsola and Lotad == | |||
In the description of Pokémon with an insectoid body it says that the category is "entirely composed of Pokémon based on arthropods." But, as far as I can tell, both corsola and lotad are not based on arthropods, which would make this an inaccurate statement about the category. [[User:Moiraga|Moiraga]] ([[User talk:Moiraga|talk]]) 21:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Shape 11 is the only one with a description that varies between generations == | |||
Unlike all the other shapes, the shape icon for shape 11 (the table's rightmost column) has different image text in the Generation IV row (Pokemon consisting of multiple heads or bodies) than in the other 3 generation rows (Pokemon consisting of multiple bodies). | |||
Is this an editing mistake or reflective of some legitimate information source? | |||
== Cyclizar == | |||
This page lists Cyclizar as a quadruped, but Cyclizar's own page lists it as a tailed biped. Which one is correct? [[User:Hyper Turtwig|Hyper Turtwig]] ([[User talk:Hyper Turtwig|talk]]) 18:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
:This page is the correct one, thank you for bringing up this error. [[User:Minibug|Minibug]] ([[User talk:Minibug|talk]]) 18:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 18:57, 14 August 2024
I didn't even notice this section of the DP Pokedex until yesterday. Mine isn't complete. Could someone with a complete Pokedex help me complete this? --Zeta 02:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
- All but Arceus here. If anyone knows what his is... Can anyone get the images used, too? TTEchidna 02:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
- I can help but not now I completely forgot I had an essay to do.User:CoolPikachu!
- I'm done with Arceus. I added Shaymin as well. tc26 02:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
???
Should Ekans and Arbok be in the "Pokémon with serpant-like bodies" category? --ニョロトノ666 01:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
- If the Dex says so. TTEchidna 02:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
- I want to reiterate the importance of using the dex rather than just guessing. There are some odd ones. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 15:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
- I just found a website that have the pokemon body style:http://www.psypokes.com
- (since English is not my mother language...there may be have grammer mistake) --chungkingpunノ13:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- I want to reiterate the importance of using the dex rather than just guessing. There are some odd ones. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 15:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Mistake
The Dodrio image is repeated twice. Doduo should have been in the first one. BlueJirachi 20:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Heracross
doesnt heracross have two pairs of wings?
see:
- Holy crap, that's a huge image. Try using one from Bulbapedia and sign your posts with ~~~~. To answer your question, It probably does, but the people who made the game don't give a rat's butt, unfortunately... --Clorox (diskussion) 03:11, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- Er, a Rattata's butt. :D --▄█
'Clorox
▓▒ 19:58, 22 August 2008 (UTC)- I think that the top "wings" are a kind of wing cover, for if the wings aren't out(think ladybug). That would make one pair of wings. --01:40:10 (UTC)Soprano23
- Er, a Rattata's butt. :D --▄█
Generation V
I'm assuming the Isshu Dex doesn't organize by body shape? --Element03 01:46, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- It does but this page wasn't a priority. Now we're just missing five, three of which are event legendaries. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 21:02, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
- Now we're just missing four (Mandibuzz is Body Style 9). How and we finding these out, anyway?
Regarding "quadruped body" section
I had a question about this section. Shouldn't it be "quadrupedal body"? Like how we have "bipedal" instead of "biped"? I noticed this while I was going through the Pokémon sections and noticed we used the noun instead of the adjective whenever referring to Pokémon with this body style. If I'm wrong about this, let me know and I will undo the edits myself to make up for my mistake. Oh, and I didn't change the link at all, just the word that showed. Thanks! Crystal Talian 08:02, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
- Never mind. "Quadruped" can be an adjective, although it is rare. I'll fix those, then. Sorry about that! Crystal Talian 11:15, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Head + Wings
Why is Reshiram in here? It has legs, so it should be with Zekrom and Kyurem. -- Pringles 22:49, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
- That's how it is listed in the Pokédex. It has the same bodyshape as the others in its designation (body where the arms are wings) PDL (talk) 22:54, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Fairies
Does this page get updated to include Fairy-types? Tacopill (talk) 03:14, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Kalos Pokémon and type changes
You forgot to add Kalos Pokémon and type changes to old Pokémon since it's Generation VI. Thank you! Cinday123 (talk) 02:23, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
Opps, of course forgot the body style changes to old Pokémon! Cinday123 (talk) 02:44, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
Slowbro
Doesn't Slowbro have two body styles depending on whatever form? I saw that in my Pokédex. Its Mega Evolution is only a head with arms.--HoennLove200 (talk) 14:13, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Original body icons
Now that all icons have been updated for XY versions, can we have the previous gen icons at the bottom of the page? Trainer Yusuf (talk) 10:08, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Dunsparce body style changed?
The main page says Dunsparce's body style was changed from Serpentine to Insectoid, but as far as I know it was always serpentine, so what's going on? Trainer Yusuf (talk) 12:02, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
Gen 7 body styles
I wonder if the body styles are confirmed via games or visual guesses since not all Pokémon have their body style icons. I'm just pretty curious. Xernycharysaur648 (talk) 14:13, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
- They're official. You can search by shape in SM. --Mr. Bonding (talk) 00:26, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Move
It's been called "shape" in the Pokédex since X and Y and hasn't been called "body style" since HeartGold and SoulSilver. --Abcboy (talk) 03:38, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Order of shapes?
Is there a particular reason we're using two separate shape orders? In the table that shows how the icons have visually changed over the generations, it goes head — head and legs — fins — insectoid, etc. But the subsections below are ordered head — serpentine — fins — head and arms, etc. Almost none of the shapes are in the same place in both lists, or are nearby any of the same neighboring shapes in both lists. Can someone explain the reason for this, please? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:26, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
- The order used here is the order used in-game for the respective generation (someone complained that they didn't match up between generations, so it's since been changed to match Gen VI/VII). The order on the list and in the filenames and on Pokémon pages is the Generation IV Pokédex order read in a different direction, IIRC. --Abcboy (talk) 18:30, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
- OK. I imagine we probably don't want to go through the hoops of renumbering the filenames, but should we correct the order of the subsections, at least? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:35, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
- The sections are linked from each of the images. It's probably not worth trouble to move them about, unless we come down with a single order they'll follow absolutely FOREVER. Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:07, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
- OK. I imagine we probably don't want to go through the hoops of renumbering the filenames, but should we correct the order of the subsections, at least? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:35, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
Alolan Persian
I’m not an avid editor on Bulbapedia, and I don’t know how to add Alolan Persian, but it’s missing. Gentleflipper (talk) 04:17, 26 May 2020 (UTC) Gentleflipper
- As per the second paragraph in the opening, its form doesn't differ enough to be categorised differently to regular Persian, so it would be in Pokémon with a quadruped body. --Spriteit (talk) 12:34, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Infobox shape issues
Currently, Slowbro's Infobox says that Galarian Slowbro is Head & Arms, but this is intended for Mega Slowbro. I haven't found a way to fix this. Additionaly, notably Necrozma, Zygarde, and Meowth fails to inform of the varying shapes. WOLKsite (talk) 16:05, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Gigantamax?
AFAIK HOME lists G-Max forms and also shapes, so anyone with G-Max forms registered on their HOME can see the shape classification. Is this true? If so, can we have them added here?
Of course, I'm assuming they haven't been accounted for here; this is partly because my intuition suggests that, for example, G-Max Pikachu or Meowth would be listed differently. And we know intuition is a terrible aid for guessing actual shapes. However! Meowth has a bit of text at the top explaining how different regional forms are different shapes. Whatever shape G-Max Meowth is, shouldn't it be mentioned there, since Meowth is already complicated enough to warrant a discussion of form differences?
In general, I just don't see enough evidence suggesting that G-Max forms have actually been considered yet by anyone editing this page. If they have, and anyone can just confirm that all G-Maxes are the same shape as their base forms, we'd be solid (an edit to the note about Meowth, and maybe a general statement to the effect of "All Gigantamax forms are blah blah blah" would suffice I think). If not, well, we ought to have that info eh?
Pichugetic (talk) 22:43, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- I've obtained some confusing information. Firstly, the dex in HOME doesn't show forms directly; it only has forms as a search filter. Second, this filter doesn't account for anything but the "default" form. Case in point is again Meowth; according to this article Galarian Meowth is bipedal, but even if I view Galarian Meowth and immediately search the dex by the bipedal shape, it doesn't show up.
- The article says shapes were a thing in USUM and then HOME, which I presume means SwSh didn't care about shapes. If that's the case, where did we get to learn that Galarian Meowth is bipedal?
- Yours confusedly. Pichugetic (talk) 02:50, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
Gen 9 Home Discrepancies
It seems there are a bunch of discrepancies of Gen 9 body shapes depending on whether you go by the console or mobile version of HOME.
Console:
- Poltchageist and Sinistcha are only heads
- Smoliv, Toedscool, and Flittle are heads with legs
- Pawmi, Brute Bonnet, Slither Wing, and Sandy Shocks are quadrupeds
- Dipplin consists of multiple bodies
- Quaxly, Quaxwell, Quaquaval, Espathra, Scream Tail, Iron Bundle, Koraidon, and Okidogi are tailed bipeds
- Lokix, Dolliv, Arboliva, Annihilape, and Munkidori are tailless bipeds
- Flutter Mane is winged
Mobile:
- Flutter Mane and Dipplin are only heads
- Lokix is insectoid
- Koraidon is a quadruped
- Slither Wing is a winged insectoid
- Sandy Shocks consists of multiple bodies
- Toedscool is tentacled
- Smoliv, Dolliv, Arboliva, and Okidogi are heads with a base
- Pawmi, Annihilape, Brute Bonnet, and Munkidori are tailed bipeds
- Scream Tail and Iron Bundle are tailless bipeds
- Quaxly, Quaxwell, Quaquaval, Flittle, and Espathra are winged
- Poltchageist and Sinistcha are heads with arms
The console body shapes seems overall more accurate/consistent (especially looking at Okidogi) and are probably what we should go with, though I figure this inconsistency should be noted here and possible in each Pokemon's trivia section. --Mr. Bonding (talk) 03:41, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
- I would definitely recommend prioritizing the Switch version (since I believe Game Freak's the developer for it) over the mobile version (which I believe ILCA did). The discrepancies can be noted in a section here and in trivia on the Pokémon pages, but I don't think it makes sense to treat them as equally authoritative when there have been errors in the mobile version only before (Poké Shifter comes to mind). --Abcboy (talk) 02:32, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- Well, these were all fixed in a recent update! Not sure if it's still worth noting somewhere. --Mr. Bonding (talk) 23:34, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
Corsola and Lotad
In the description of Pokémon with an insectoid body it says that the category is "entirely composed of Pokémon based on arthropods." But, as far as I can tell, both corsola and lotad are not based on arthropods, which would make this an inaccurate statement about the category. Moiraga (talk) 21:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Shape 11 is the only one with a description that varies between generations
Unlike all the other shapes, the shape icon for shape 11 (the table's rightmost column) has different image text in the Generation IV row (Pokemon consisting of multiple heads or bodies) than in the other 3 generation rows (Pokemon consisting of multiple bodies).
Is this an editing mistake or reflective of some legitimate information source?
Cyclizar
This page lists Cyclizar as a quadruped, but Cyclizar's own page lists it as a tailed biped. Which one is correct? Hyper Turtwig (talk) 18:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)