Talk:Basculin (Pokémon)

Name Origin

Its name is probably a combination of バス Basu, Bass, and バカラオ Bakarao, Bacalhau. - unsigned comment from KurowaSan (talk • contribs)

Thanks. I'll add that. However, anyone is allowed to edit this page, as well as the other two's. Thanks again. I noticed you already added it. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 03:19, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Form differences

Has it been specified which form is in which version? Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 11:52, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

No, but I'm wondering why both forms aren't in the article. --Element03 16:43, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Done. ^ht14 21:57, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Abilities

Basurao's abilities depend on the forme; the Red version has Reckless and the Blue version has Rock Head Vienna Waltz 15:05, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure that it's Rock Head and not Adaptability? --SnorlaxMonster 07:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure that's how it goes? I see no confirmation of that anywhere. In fact, whoever extracted the date for smogon seems to disagree and I have a friend claiming he already has both abilities in both formes. I'll test it myself, if I find it to be untrue, I'll change it. Mr. Charlie(TalkToMe) 22:03, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

OK, and is the ability Adaptability or Rock Head? --SnorlaxMonster 09:58, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Just confirmed. Caught a few Blue Forme Basurao, some had Reckless, some had Adaptability. Mr. Charlie(TalkToMe) 22:09, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

And now, to make an already complicated subject even more complicated, the Basurao obtained in Hodomoe City, through trade, does have Rock Head. So now I have a bunch of Blue Forme Basurao with Reckless, a bunch with Adaptability and one with Rock Head. What do we do now? Mr. Charlie(TalkToMe) 16:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

So it has 4 abilities? I'm going to have to play with the template to get that to work. --SnorlaxMonster 07:58, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I managed to add it in. The Dream World ability is a bit squashed now, but it works. --SnorlaxMonster 08:29, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Rabuta Berry

Really, guys? Only the red one looks like it, and only marginally. I say we remove that. --Andy^P_K^M_N 17:48, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

Are different striped Basurao able to breed? If so, should that be in the trivia as they don't get along? It's Turtwig A! My talk or wiki edits 01:39, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

It's Forbidden love and I think they can Ataro 01:42, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Like how Zangoose and Seviper can breed. --SnorlaxMonster 07:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Origin

It might just be me, but other than a fish, couldn't its overall look be based of a submarine? The thing that points to it for me, is the black spots/circles on its body, which might be like the windows of a real submarine? Also its tail reminds a little like the tail of a submarine.--Mattii 00:02, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

• It's just you. It looks NOTHING like a submarine to me. - 050294 08:01, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Reminds me of my grampa, looks like an old man with few teeth. --—Ve№moth ♦ 00:59, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Basslao

Please move, thanks!--immewnitythemew 16:03, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

What's that supposed to be? Some kind of silly fandub? There is no official English translation or so of Pokémon Sunday and Smash!. The real official spelling is Bassrao [1] --nYoo 16:23, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

It is the trademarked romanisation. Despite how crap most of them are (Vanipetti, Baniricci), they are still official. XVuvuzela2010X 00:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

He also posted the same thing for Reuniclus's romanized name and guess what happened later? This showed up So it's Bassrao then Ataro 00:58, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't trust those trading cards either Nyoo. They are inconsistent anyway. Not that I agree with this being at Basslao either. Both are unofficial in my eyes.--ケンジのガール 01:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

My point is that a fansub screenshot of Pokémon Sunday/Smash! is in no way evidence of a correct spelling of the Japanese name in latin letters. And Ataro is the only one who understands that. As for what Kenji-girl says, see here: Talk:Maractus_(Pokémon)#Romanization --nYoo 09:21, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah... I was agreeing with you partially. I know that the screenshot is of one of #PM subs. Which is why I said "Not that I agree with this being at Basslao either". I still find the cards questionable though. Just my opinion. --ケンジのガール 10:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Rock Head

Shouldnt this be treated as a Hidden Ability, like Hihidaruma's Daruma Mode? XVuvuzela2010X

Hidden Ability is only for those that came from the Dream World. This is not the case. ^ht14 06:23, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

True, but Hihidaruma with Daruma Mode can only be obtained in the Resort Desert, and Daruma Mode is conidered a Hidden Ability. Could someone confirm if Rock Head can be passed on through Breeding by a female Basslao, as Hidden Abilities may be inherited by the offspring. XVuvuzela2010X 06:57, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

From what I've read, I believe that there is a byte which indicates whether or not the ability is a hidden ability. The ability Rock Head would not be specified anywhere in the Basurao species' data; instead, the ability would be set manually as if the ability were hacked on or an event-exclusive ability (which this would be the first case of). To test this, if Basurao's data was modified so that it evolves into itself, then triggering the evolution, the ability should recalculate (I'm pretty sure that abilities recalculate after evolution) and become one of its other abilities. --SnorlaxMonster 08:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Only problem.... Basslao does not evolve... ^ht14 16:59, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but you could hack it to force it to couldn't you? --SnorlaxMonster 14:05, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Has anyone had the chance to check this yet? XVuvuzela2010X 15:32, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Form differences

This article states that red is found in Black and blue is found in White and yet, just 10 minutes ago, I found and caught a Blue stripe in my Pokémon Black. It was on Route 6, just next to the season reasearch place. Just thought I'd let you know, as it seems this article is wrong. Smashman 11:28, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, it was one of those 'rare bubble' things. Smashman 11:33, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Breeding

Sorry if I have missed this in the artical or talk page; but I did not see it and I was wondering since Basculin have their colour set by the gamecard they are caught in. When they breed is the colour chosen at random, by the mothers colour, or by the game card itself?

  (Forgot to sign)--011284mm 20:16, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Just a thought....

What if part of it's origin was based on the two families from Romeo and Juliet? It's probably no but I thought might explain why they quarrel so much. Smashbrother101 02:11, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

And how exactly is Basculin related to the Montagues and the Capulets in any way? ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ 02:13, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Well in the movie based in the same time period as the play, the Capulets wore red and the Montagues wore blue. --Sapphowako 01:20, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

So? Team Fortress 2 also has Red vs Blue. Red vs Blue is extremely common. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 02:46, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Basculin is based on a bass.

The developer examined the ecosystem of New York. The source is Nintendo Dream vol.205.Sawamular101 01:03, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Possible Origins in Street Gangs

As blue and red Basculin do not get along and will fight each other on sight, could this be a reference to street gangs, reflecting how members of a gang identify themselves by wearing certain colors and will attack those wearing colors that identify them as rival gang members? Draconium 01:48, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Species name

Should it be noted that, although these two Pokémon are completely unrelated, that Basculin shares the same species name as Zweilous (Hostile)? Just a thought.--Starman125 18:42, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Its noted on every other relevant page, so when trivia is allowed to be added again, why not:

• Basculin shares its species name with Zweilous. They are both known as Hostile Pokémon.

• Zweilous shares its species name with Basculin. They are both known as Hostile Pokémon.

XVuvuzela2010X 19:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Done. --P S Y_ライダー☮ 00:15, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

It dosen't matter if your red or blue

I see the blue-striped Ken Suigomi art, but I see the red-striped anime pic. I can't figure out what is wrong with the switchy thing but I bet somone smart can Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 23:46, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

It should be fixed now. XVuvuzela2010X 07:34, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

But now I see pics of the blue one, but red stripe still apears in the evolution box Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 16:57, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I've edited that bit I missed, should be fixed when the hour comes (since theyre all red now). XVuvuzela2010X 17:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

EV yeild?

I was EV training my Weavile and the EVs given out by a Macho Brace seems to be 2, as I reseted my stats with the stat reducing berries, and found out that I needed 124 more EVs, can someone explain why? --Sapphowako 00:46, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Ability glitch

Blue-Striped Basculin now have Rock Head as their first Ability, as the data in the games said in Black and White. According to Serebii, there was a glitch in Black and White that made wild and hatched Blue-Striped Basculin use Red-Striped Basculin's Ability list, hence only the in-game trade one had the correct Ability. I can confirm that this is now fixed, but I can't work out how to add a note to the Ability Reckless to this effect. Could someone with better knowledge of wiki markup make this alteration? Seafarer (talk) 01:00, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

"According to Serebii" - You know that Serebii is not too reliable? I don't add anything from Serebii, unless I can confirm it in-game (such as Glameow appearing in Hidden Grotto during a special Funfest Mission, which is true as I witnessed that). Marked +-+-+ (talk) 14:04, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Confirming it, just found a Blue Striped Rock Head Basculin in Floccesy Ranch (Then caught one with Adaptability to remove any doubt for people in denial). Go nuts. - Blazios _talk 14:46, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't know how to change the Ability thing in the table to reflect multiple forms; that's why I didn't just change it. And I know Serebii's not considered a reliable source; if you'd read what I said, I had actually confirmed this before posting.Seafarer (talk) 02:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Dr.Seuss

"One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish"

Sounds like Basculin to me...- unsigned comment from Dralcax (talk • contribs)

The general rule of thumb on Bulbapedia seems to be not to make comparisons to copyrighted works unless it's overwhelmingly obvious (such as Tyranitar being partially based on Godzilla). Red and blue are common colors for opposites, so it could very well be a coincidence. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 22:08, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Possible Largemouth/Smallmouth connection?

When I hear "freshwater bass", I immediately think of the two most popular sportfish in the US, the similar but distinct Largemouth Bass and Smallmouth Bass; both are native to New York (along with a lot of Eastern North America), and both have proven popular enough to be introduced around the world as gamefish, including Japan. Could the two forms of Basculin be related to Largemouth and Smallmouth Bass? Masternachos (talk) 03:56, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Four Abilities

Basculin is the only Pokémon who can have a total of four different abilities (not counting Mega Evolutions, whose abilities only last for the duration of the battle). Is this notable enough for trivia? — KiANGLO ^TALK 05:51, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

About White Basculin's Ability...

It should have been "Rattled or Adaptability", but instead due to the way the Infobox template works it shows Reckless/Adaptability for both Red and Blue Basculin, and then Rock Head/Adaptability for White Striped (which should've been for Blue Striped), and then Rattled (which gets nothing), and then Mold Breaker. I would have gone and fixed this myself, but I don't really have the knowhow on how to fix it. Does anyone else know? Anzasquiddles (talk) 14:58, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I had to make a small change to the template, but I got it to work. In terms of this page, I had to remove the hack we had been using where "Red-Striped and Blue-Striped Form" was treated as a single form. --SnorlaxMonster 16:12, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Could you also fix Meowth's infobox to say regular abilities of Alolan Meowth?--Rocket Grunt 16:57, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

White-Striped Basculin's Regional form status

So, based on this picture https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTGxGhYX0AEB0mY?format=jpg&name=large , we now have official evidence on White-Striped being an official regional form for this Pokémon from of Basculin. Does this count for a change? I have found this fact online when someone was searching for regional forms under Hisui.--Jacob9594 (talk) 12:26, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Forms

Do forms really need to be under each other and not beside like in the "list of forms" page?--Rocket Grunt 11:40, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

More White-Striped Basculin weirdness...

The Kitakami Pokédex entry (Violet, at least) revealed new theories about White-Striped being a completely different Pokémon species than the Red/Blue-Striped ones. In addition, the boxes don't give White-Striped Basculin a Pokédex number similar to all other Pokémon not in the Paldea Pokédex, despite Red/Blue Basculin already being present in the Paldea Pokédex.Shane-ooo (talk) 07:43, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

"a totally different species" is a weird way to word it. Like, it doesn't just imply that White-Striped Basculin is not a regional form; it implies that it is not a Basculin at all, lmao. Then again it's in-universe speculation so who really knows. Anzasquiddles 2222(:D)SSSS (talk page) 02:47, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Regional Form Status Section

“In addition to Hisui, White-Striped Basculin is found in the wild in Kitakami and is (along with Basculegion) part of its regional Pokédex, unlike all other regional forms, which are only naturally found in a single region.”

Now that Hisuian Qwilfish is also found in Blueberry academy and offshore in cold parts of the world, this point doesn’t really hold up anymore as “evidence against” Basculin being a regional form. I’m just not sure if it should be reworded, deleted entirely, or if it should be moved to the “evidence FOR” [it being a regional form] section. Veledwin (talk) 13:59, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Someone keeps adding this back despite failing to come up with any sound reasoning for doing so, ignoring not only this talk page but everything I’ve explained in the Editor’s Summaries. So I’ll elaborate further on here as well.

“Several regional forms appear in Blueberry Academy's Terrarium and the Blueberry Pokédex, but the Terrarium is an artificial environment and these Pokémon are not native to the Unova region (which Blueberry Academy is located in).”

Blueberry Academy is not what I’m talking about when I say that Hisuian Qwilfish is not only found outside of Hisui, but multiple places as well. Yes, the Blueberry academy is an artificial environment, meaning that Hisuian Qwilfish and the Black Augurite in the Terarium (as well as Perrin’s Growlithes) were clearly sourced from other places, so artificial environments like Blueberry Academy aren’t going to be the only way we see other regional forms appear elsewhere going forward. In Qwilfish’s case, one of its new dex entries already addresses this, clearly stating that Hisuian Qwilfish is now found offshore in cold parts of the world.

“every other regional form and regional evolution are only naturally present in their home region and their home region's Pokédex.”

The only part of this that is still remotely true is the last part about “their home region’s Pokédex,” since the Blueberry Academy is not a region’s Pokédex. So a more accurate version of that would be this:

“White-Striped Basculin and its evolved form are part of the Kitakami Pokédex; conversely, every other regional form and regional evolution are currently only part of their home region's Pokédex.”

However, I think it’s better to leave the bullet point out entirely. The distinction seems arbitrary and based on assumptions. But I mention it here in case someone thinks otherwise. Veledwin (talk) 01:25, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Admin made an edit to this page so it is best to leave it the way it is--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 01:30, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I’m not sure what you mean? Veledwin (talk) 01:38, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

"Going forward" is not the correct argument here. We may see them in other regions or not, but currently they are only available in the terrarium, which is an artificial environment. The Pokemon games have shown artificial methods of creating Pokemon (such as resurrecting fossils, or outright creating clones) so it is not right to say that these were brought here from somewhere else. → PikaTepig999 01:48, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I think the point about Hisuian Qwilfish's Pokédex entry is interesting and worth mentioning in the trivia about Basculin. But since we don't know which "cold parts of the world" it's referring to, it doesn't strictly make the claim that it only appears in Hisui false. (If the only "cold parts of the world" it lives in are within the Sinnoh region, I think that would still qualify as only appearing in Hisui.) Notably, that same Pokédex entry compares it to "other regions’ Qwilfish", implying that it is exclusive to some particular region(s). I think as long as we mention that as a caveat, the point still makes sense to include.

I'll also add that I disagree with BigDocFan's assertion that people should just defer to edits made by admins. Unless you have been told otherwise, edits made by admins are just as valid to challenge or revert as any other user. --SnorlaxMonster 01:53, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Hisuian Qwilfish did not live in cold waters nor did they live offshore in Pokémon Legends Arceus. So apparently they have adapted to live in colder climates and further from the coast. There is no reason to assume that Hisuian Qwilfish is only available in Sinnoh, when it’s not available in modern Sinnoh games and the dex entry implies that it is living in multiple places when it says “cold parts of the world” rather than “a cold part of the world.” Veledwin (talk) 02:11, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Sinnoh (and Hisui) itself is broadly a cold part of the world. It doesn't really matter whether Qwilfish specifically appeared in the colder parts of Hisui in Legends: Arceus, appearing anywhere in Hisui would qualify as appearing in a cold part of the world. And as far as I can tell, in Legends: Arceus it exclusively appeared in seawater near the coast (or river mouths directly flowing into the sea), which is what "just offshore" would refer to.

But even if Qwilfish did not appear just offshore in Legends: Arceus, since we don't currently know any location other than Hisui where Hisiuan Qwilfish has appeared, and pretty much any seawater in Sinnoh would qualify as "just offshore in cold parts of the world", I don't think we have any basis to assume Hisiuan Qwilfish appears outside of Hisui/Sinnoh. That's certainly an implication of the Pokédex entry though, so I do think it's still worth mentioning. It just doesn't make the claim that Basculin is the only (potential) Hisuian form known to naturally appear outside of its home region untrue. --SnorlaxMonster 02:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)