Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions

Previous discussion

• Archive 1 (8 May 2009 - 25 June 2009)
• Archive 2 (25 June 2009 - 12 September 2009)

A note to editors

The page will be staying locked for a little bit longer. There is a lot of information to process, and if everybody tries to edit this page at once, there are going to be lots of edit conflicts. This can result in server stress, and also may prevent genuine information from being added. So just wait for a bit. If you've got something to add, doublecheck that it isn't there already and make a new section on this page. The administrators will add it to the article in time, provided it isn't baseless and has been confirmed either by our own editors playing through the games, or a number of other websites. We will unlock the page once the traffic has slowed a little. Thank you. —darklordtrom 01:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Less notable/important aesthetic changes?

I'm not sure about this or not, but is it worthwhile at all to mention somewhere these two cosmetic changes:

• Water flowing can now be heard when standing near a body of water.
• The Magnet Train's tracks now appear overground (like on Route 32).

TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 03:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Cheers. —darklordtrom 03:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

• Just an addition to TheChrisD's posts, the game also has more sound effects in the overworld. Aside from the sound of water flowing, other sounds include the sound of the windmill when standing next to a windmill in New Bark Town and even just the sound of the player's walking on tall and short grass if you listen carefully.
• Also, the Running Shoes can be put on via Touch Screen, allowing the player to run without having to hold the B button.

--Daninjango 05:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

while the legendary beasts use a remixed version of their battle theme from Pokémon Crystal. Might want to note that the remix is slightly different for each gerbil beast (eg. Raikou's has faint thunderclap-like noises) Frugali 09:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Also to make note that Cerulean Cave and Seafoam are still active, Zapdos, Moltres, Articuno and Mewtwo are all capturable. Ggctuk 08:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

These are done. —darklordtrom 09:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

There's also the Game Boy Player which will replace all the game's music with the classic Game Boy Color version of the score. Ggctuk 19:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

PokéGear

It is not blue for Hibiki and pink for Kotone. The initial pattern is blue for both, but its skin is changeable to the pink version or other four models. -- RikkiKitsune 03:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. —darklordtrom 03:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Changes

Add in (Location): The Kanto Safari Zone was changed to Kanto Pal Park]].

Mt. Silver is bigger in size.

(Gameplay) And finally, the gym has change "puzzle"

Gym Leader's Pokémon has changed. --Ruixiang95 10:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Cheers. —darklordtrom 22:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I have the jap version and am on Cyndaquil. Cyndaquil now learns Ember at lvl 10 rather than 12. Jono R 17:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Moveset changes go on the individual Pokémon's page. —darklordtrom 20:17, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Gym Leader Rematch Teams

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=960099&topic=51316486 Master Lucario

I would think to wait on this until another source could be found for this note. -Tyler53841 01:00, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Now it looks like Serebii.net is starting to post the details for the Gym Leader rematches but at this moment it remains incomplete, so for now it looks like it is becoming more verified and one day I am sure it would be mentioned on this page when an administrator decides it is ready. My idea is just put it with the details for the Elite Four rematches since it is on the same subject. -Tyler53841 12:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Kris

Kris, despite being the female counterpart of Crystal's player character Gold, is believed not to be included as the female counterpart, with a new character instead taking her place. is this still valid or should this be changed/reworded? Do we completely accept Kotone as a new character now? ZestyCactus 01:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

It should be, thanks for pointing that out.--Midnight Blue 01:08, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Can anyone put this on Pokemon Heartgold and Soulsilver gallery?

can anyone do it? I can't do it cause is not letting me. The picture i want to be upload is the groundon fight thingy or something. - unsigned comment from DialgaPrimeX (talk • contribs)

no. for one thing, its horrific quality, and second, its stolen from Serebii. -- MAGNEDETH 07:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

It was my first day i did not know what to do :P- unsigned comment from DialgaPrimeX (talk • contribs)

Huh... that pic with Silver

Well, he got his sprite changed in the game. It is better to put in a new pic of battle with Silver. -- RikkiKitsune 07:33, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

We shall do so. TTEchidna 07:59, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Routes

Shouldn't we mention somewhere on the page that there are two new routes (47 and 48) were added? --Mr.lol 15:41, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

I think so. -- RikkiKitsune 21:02, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Got it. —darklordtrom 21:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Mt. Silver

A minor update that should be made at some point is that Moltres can be caught in Mt. Silver and possibly put together with the Mt. Silver update with as few words as possible. -Tyler53841 21:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Done. —darklordtrom 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Edit Plz

Someone needs to put things in present tense on this page. Game's come out... so the page needs to act like it. XD CherryParanoia 02:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Where exactly are you talking about? Most of the info has been moved to present tense... except for HeartGold and SoulSilver will revisit the story of Johto. ZestyCactus 02:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

P.S. There's a stray apostrophe here: While the games' feature several expansions in key areas... ZestyCactus 02:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Done. —darklordtrom 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

"These games will be released in Japan almost exactly..." should be "These games were released in Japan almost exactly ..." CherryParanoia 00:12, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Not quite. JpPt was the 13th of September. HGSS was the 12th. —darklordtrom 04:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

One More Edit Request

If it's worth adding that is... In this game, players can use two items quickly. I don't remember how to say it, but there can be two quick select items (maybe that's the term) instead of one. They're numbered and the first can be activated by pressing (Y) but both are available on the touch screen. Kanjo 11:18, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Done. —darklordtrom 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Poké Gear's Radio Card is Essential

Does that count as a gameplay change? You need to complete the quiz to make Whitney give up on her attempts and return to the gym. Kanjo 11:37, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Done. —darklordtrom 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Gift's from Mom

When you let your mother buy you presents, she doesn't put them in your PC but you have to go to your "friendlyshop" (Poké Mart) or department store and the delivery man is waiting for you with a gift.

Also people take your picture with all your Pokémon and send it to your PC. (Camera men at various spots around the map. usually touristy)

could you always choose not to answer your phone? Kanjo 12:15, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Missing Pokemon List

Serebii.net has just created a version exclusive list at [1] so once somebody is ready then a Missing Pokemon list for this page. -Tyler53841 21:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Obtaining Hoenn and Sinnoh pokemon

http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/hoennsinnoh.shtml

As you can see here, you can catch pokemon from Sinnoh and Hoenn by using the Pokéegear's radio.

050294 22:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Games Leaked

Can someone remove that? It is not notable. Almost every game in the last two generation has. Serebii has gotten his copies of Emerald, Diamond/Pearl, Platinum, and HeartGold/SoulSilver a few days early. --HoennMaster 04:03, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree, once the game is properly released it's sort of irrelevant if it was leaked or not. Almost EVERYTHING major gets leaked nowadays anyway. ZestyCactus 18:36, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Trade Me!

How come alot of pokemon say on their locations box that they need to be traded in to heartgold and soulsilver, when thay can just be evolved from a pokemon that can be found in the wild. Take Kakuna for instance, you can find it in the national park in gold and silver, so you can probably catch it in the same way as well in HGSS. Or you could just evolve your weedle.--Minimag 06:16, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

"Trade" is the default on the template. If you know where the Pokémon are located, then you can fix it up yourself. Take a look at a page that has the correct information, and work out how to code it :) All help appreciated. —darklordtrom 08:32, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Version Exclusives?

We get a list of those yet? Serebii has one, but for all I know, they just used the ones from GS. --ケンジのガール 06:30, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

From what I have seen, it is largely the same as GS, which is as expected. There are a few Hoenn/Sinnoh Pokémon there and everything I am aware of has been listed here. I will export it into this article now; I just didn't have the time when I first made the list. —darklordtrom 08:25, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Also with this new addition on their site [2], Kabuto (HeartGold) and Omanyte (SoulSilver) and their evolutions now make their lists since their fossils can now be found in the game via Rock Smash along with Aerodactyl's fossil and a few other items such as amongst them. So at some point new details about Rock Smash and the Fossils can be put in, though for the fossils it still remains unknown on where to go to revive them. -Tyler53841 15:51, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

the pewter museum is once again open so the fossils can be revived there Ultamate_Charizard 16:41, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

uh....im playing HeartGold and yesterday i found a Helix Fossil....-- MAGNEDETH 18:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Oy, need to do some serious talk on this and in case you don't know the dark lord tormbonator also updated the version exclusive pages other than the fact I updated the fossil Pokémon pages but I will revert my edits for the time being on Kabuto and Omanyte's pages. -Tyler53841 18:47, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

GAME PLAY Change!

I found out that in HG/SS, you can choose one of the three Kanto starters for yourself. It's true, a video with the real game that shows it! Oh, and an item that plays Gen. 2 music is also shown. --Spritemaster 20:49 18 September 2009 (UTC)

What's the criteria for getting the Kanto starter? ZestyCactus 20:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Beating Red on MT. Silver. _ShinyPika 21:01, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but we've know about this since before the games came out. --HoennMaster 12:25, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Do we have clear pictures of the second covers?

I know there is a second cover to the games. It looks similar to the G/S ones.--Midnight Blue 23:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Pokéball

Something that was posted on Serebii.net at [3] on the Pokéball section of that page is that the post-Generation II balls are available in the game. Until more details on this matter are acquired by someone who has a copy of HeartGold or SoulSilver then it should not be posted on this site to avoid misinformation. However though the only noteworthy thing that it has to this page is the addition of more Pokéball than any other Pokémon game. - unsigned comment from Tyler53841 (talk • contribs)

The small pond

In G/S/C, there was a small, inaccesible pond by the Pokemon Center in Cherrygrove City. This pond served only for city design (because the "border" of the city is "water", and the city finishes behind the PokeCenter, it seemed strange for water to be behind it, so that pond was created to make it look ok. But it is inaccesible). This pond is still in HG/SS, but it is now accesible from Route 30. Small detail I noticed, since that pond always called my attention. I thought it would be gone in these games, but no. I think this and some other details should be noted in the article. --Dr. James 03:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Is there anything special about the pond, or is it just there? See if you can find an item somewhere or a rare Pokémon by fishing. As for the other details, what do you think should be added? R.A. Hunter Blade 13:36, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Hehehe, well I still can't explore the pond; I haven't even still reached Violet City so I don't have Surf or anythimg. As for the other details, it would be great to have a list about differences between these games and G/S/C. Like for example, "In G/S/C, Gold obtains his Pokegear when he exits his room at the beginning of the game. In HG/SS, he obtains it after getting his first Pokemon". --Dr. James 16:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Um... there is a section named just that on the page... in fact, it's most of the page. Go look again. I'd like to crop this down in the next few days, and put all unnecessary information onto the related articles. This one is perhaps best suited for the Poké Gear article. —darklordtrom 20:01, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Giovanni

Should it be mentioned that Giovanni appears through a Celebi event? It's mentioned on Giovanni's page, but it is significant to gameplay because Giovanni never actually appeared in Gen II; he was only mentioned.--JacobCrystal 20:28, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah alright then. —darklordtrom 20:35, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Latios and Latias

In regards to the new update for Latios and Latias being version exclusives respectfully. I would to see if anyone has confirmed it yet. -Tyler53841 00:51, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

They are; Latias in HeartGold and Latios in SoulSilver -- AOS 11:38, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Shinning Leaf

Should the article note that the Shinning Leaf thing replaces the capture the flag mini-game to obtain a star on the TC -- AOS 22:32, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Radio

Why does it say that it is now compulsory for the game to get the radio card, when you needed it to finish the game in the originals. The whole Lake of Rage thing --Ripp145 17:33, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

You didn't need to get it for the Lake of Rage if I remember. All you REALLY needed it for was to wake up Snorlax. Now though you have to get it to get past Goldenrod, as Whitney won't appear in her Gym until you get the Radio Card. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 17:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon traded from HGSS to DPPt

I don't know if this was known or not, but when Pokémon from Johto get traded to a Sinnoh game, it says that the Pokémon came from "Faraway place". Should that be noted anywhere? --ケンジのガール 01:48, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

That's interesting. Maybe the "arrived from Johto" data is just so the game might not crash or something... or maybe they expected a game from Johto via Generation III, but it was too late when they made the Generation IV games. ^ht14 01:51, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

It also seems that Johto doesn't recognize Sinnoh either. They also say "Faraway place". But that could possibly change once the National Dex is obtained. --ケンジのガール 02:12, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

That's not true.. I traded over a Slugma that I caught on Plat and it's showing up as "Caught at Hard Mountain". And I only have three badges. Very weird. →Tinā ^♫★ 02:18, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

some people are speculating that its because trading from Jap to Eng is causing the problem. hasnt been confirmed, but its possible. might have to wait until the English version comes out. -- MAGNEDETH 17:06, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

The Faraway Place Met Location was programmed to show the text of any other Met Location that exists in the game based off a value normally unviewable to players. The Value is equivalent to the index number of the Met Location that you caught the Pokemon in. When that value does not equal a location in the game, it just shows Faraway Place. This was done for compatibility with previous games, and is the exact reason why various Pokemon from new locations show up as being from Faraway place when traded to previous games. This was introduced in Platinum, for compatibility with D/P. By the way, the Location indexes from Platinum still exist in Heart Gold and Soul Silver, but all of them had their text replaced with "Faraway Place", so that D/P/Pt Pokemon which weren't actually from Faraway Place would still show the text for it.

They also added a Graphic swapping ability for Pokeballs in HG/SS. All Pokemon caught in the Apricorn Balls are actually caught in PokeBalls(Explaining the lack of unique in-battle graphics), with the game changing the Status Screen graphic based on another hidden value. So any Pokemon caught in the Apricorn Balls will be shown in the Pokeball in D/P/Pt. -- Joe T.E. 01:29, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

What if you caught a Pokémon with an Apricorn Ball, traded it to DPPt and then traded back? Would it still say it was caught in a Poké Ball on HGSS?--ポケモン恋人(離す)(貢献) 02:57, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

The hidden value exists and is kept when traded to previous games. They just didn't program it to do anything until HG/SS. So yes, it'll still show the Apricorn Ball when traded back to HG/SS. -- Joe T.E. 15:08, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Spacecraft

Spacecraft is plural. Don't be a jerk, they knew what they were doing. Someone, please change it back. Jazzmoth 04:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

wow - don't change it back. first of all its not a spacecraft: its a rocket. mavericktate just likes undoing my revisions. i wasn't trying to be a jerk.

What should we do about this?

The other box artwork What should we do about it? I'm curious.--Midnight Blue 04:09, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it matters in the long run since the cover art will be replaced with the English covers as soon as they are revealed. --HoennMaster 04:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I was also wondering, is this cover on all copies or only on certain ones? Some are saying they did not have that cover.--Midnight Blue 04:20, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

From what I understood, the cover art used in the article is actually a box, and when you open the box there is the PokéWalker and the game case that you posted above. --HoennMaster 04:28, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

When the English versions come out, should we scan the covers or not? If not, I say we should mention it.--Midnight Blue 05:52, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Mine is just like it only in English. User:Crazylegs24

The whole Lati@s version-exclusive thing

In Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire they aren't listed as version-exclusive, even though its the same thing as here. Personally I think they should be listed with an asterisk. Myles ^{(talk - contrib)} 03:52, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. There should at least be something talking about that. They don't list the Weedle line as a version exclusive - b/c it can be obtained by other means - Bug catch Contest. LugiaPwns 03:55, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I pretty much think that that Latios and Latias should still be listed as version exclusives but this new piece should be listed as trivia should the other means can from a Nintendo exclusive event which is something that can only happen once and therefore is outside the normal means. -Tyler53841 15:01, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

They're not technically version exclusives in R/S, because of the Eon Ticket and Southern Island. They're still in the actual game coding as an in-world sprite that's interactable, and you can battle and catch them. Exclusives is like Groudon and Kyogre, or Palkia and Dialga, because you can only catch them in their respective versions. You have to trade to get them in the same version. And the exclusives also have a direct part in the storyline, such as Ruby having extreme sun with Groudon on the loose, and Sapphire having extreme thunderstorms with Kyogre on the loose, not to mention Team Magma and Aqua and in-game text spoken by NPCs. R.A. Hunter Blade 16:24, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Good, Trom changed it. We should somehow mention that without the event they are v-exclusives though. It would be less confusing. -LugiaRocks (^Talk ★ Edits) 04:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Can we say that Heartgold is like Sapphire and Soulsilver is like Ruby in obviously a proper way? the fact that im mentioning is that Kyogre and Latias comes in Heartgold while their counterparts appear in Soulsilver while the Lati@s not obtained can be obtained from an event.Laxafett 21:46, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Date Specifics

One of the guys who works at GameStop in my town said the date was in March, as close as he knew. I respect this guy ALOT and see how he would know this, seeing as though he asked if I wanted to pre-order. Can anyone verify March, and maybe see if they can pre-order too? The GuyNamedSean, yep, that's me! 04:42, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

A few places have allowed pre-orders for at least a month now, with no release date know. Not trying to be mean, but your trust in a guy at a store doesn't really matter when it comes to verifying info. --HoennMaster 05:08, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Amazon said my game would ship April 1st, but that might just be an estimate. Jazzmoth 03:05, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

That'll just be an estimate. They have to get them from other stores, since they're only a website, they don't buy and store things themselves. R.A. Hunter Blade 17:44, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I reserved a Copy at GameStop, they said it was April 1st. Also: [4] --Domigan

in order to generate pre-orders, they need to set a date. they cant accept a pre-order unless they have a date, so they put a generic release date. Nintendo announced "Spring 2010" and April 1st is right in the middle of spring. the game is not comming April 1st. -- MAGNEDETH 17:26, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I highly doubt the game would come out on April Fools Day. xP _Blake ^Talk·Edits 13:51, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Just because it is April Fools Day doesn't mean new products can't be released. --HoennMaster 18:10, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Amazon just told me my game is arriving March 16th. Keep an eye out for an official announcement!! Jazzmoth 04:09, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

From a so-so reliable source, I hear HGSS should be coming out in

March 2, 2010. I'm not so sure. Cuz then he said May 2, 2010. And that just crushed me...make of this info what you will--Darknesslover5000 03:14, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

A so-so source is not good enough. What is the source?--Midnight Blue 03:17, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

My friend's internet. But I will check the Gamestop 3-ring binder. Then I'll tell you what it says--Darknesslover5000 03:39, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Haha internet. Regardless, I highly doubt that it's May 2, as that is a Sunday. 梅子^❄_❅ 03:41, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

/me points up. It's just one section away... ._. It's just a placeholder date. There hasn't been anything official released yet. D: ▫▪Ťïňắ ^♫♥ 03:46, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Um wasn't Platinum released on a Sunday?--Darknesslover5000 04:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Nope, it was a Saturday. CuboneKing 04:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

No it was Sunday. Diamond and Pearl were released on Sunday too. So what day of the week doesn't mean anything. Anyway, May is too late. HeartGold/SoulSilver were released the same week that Platinum was the year before, so late March early April is most likely. Also your friend's internet is not any different from the rest of ours. The Gamestop books will say April 1st, and that is just a placeholder date. --HoennMaster 06:09, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Umeko made a mistake. it seems Nintendo has been releasing a lot of games on Sundays in the past few years. but there no guarantee itll be May 2nd for the reason i stated in the section above. meanwhile, lets keep release date rumors to a minimum. -- MAGNEDETH 06:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I still am gonna try to find out the real release date. I wanna be the first one to put it up here, since I never get to put anything good on this wiki T-T--Darknesslover5000 00:36, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Your not going to find the official date until Nintendo announces it. If that was possible it would be up already. --HoennMaster 07:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I just have to hear it b4 u lot then ^^--Darknesslover5000 02:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Most of the recent major games have been released Thursday here. (GT4GTR 03:07, 7 December 2009 (UTC))

Today the official site's news at (http://www.pokemon.com/#news) has confirmed that Amazon's release date is true so there is no longer any doubt that March 14th is the release date. -Tyler53841 06:05, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

We need to change something.

As it is locked for me, any admins agreeing with me, check here and you will see that HGSS are to be announced. So instead of putting N/A, you should be putting TBA. Will k 20:17, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Add to the article: How is Ash's house different?

When the player visits Pallet Town, are there any differences to Ash's house in these new versions?

Moreover, does Ash appear in this game?

These are great to add to the article once somebody finds out. Thanks a lot! --Tanaka Shimoya 01:11, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Ash Ketchum? No, the anime character doesn't appear in the game. What you mean is Red, Ash's counterpart. He appears as normal, located in Mt. Silver. As for his house, I don't think it has changed.--Clarky13 01:16, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

(got conflicted) Assuming you're talking about Red, he does appear in the game, you battle him at Mt. Silver just like in GSC. I don't know if his house is any different though, I haven't played the game yet (waiting for English version) ZestyCactus 01:17, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, since I can read Japanese, I'll hopefully find these game ROMs on BitComet without needing to wait for the US release date! :) Then I'll get to find out for myself! :-D --Tanaka Shimoya 01:21, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Animation Changes

I noticed that for some of the moves (e.g. DynamicPunch, Aura Sphere), the backgrounds were different. Does anyone have a list or more information? MagicBarrier 20:04, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Different from Platinum, or DP? Because they were different in Platinum from what they were in DP. They probably did update a lot of animations for moves, just like from DP to Platinum. R.A. Hunter Blade 20:53, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Late reply is late, but I'm talking about the differences from Platinum. For instance, DynamicPunch has a dark orange background in Platinum, but it's just black in HG/SS. I haven't noticed any differences in the actual moves yet, just the backgrounds. I really should try to compile a list. MagicBarrier 02:54, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes quite a few moves have different animations now. insomniac 03:10, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

What the?

"There's a minor quirk involving the Poké Mart signs, in which they are sometimes shown to be placed on the edges of trees, making it appear as if it was built there."

What? Lord of Origami :) 10:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

What fail trivia :/ ... My vote is for getting rid of it... (Yaminokame 10:16, 15 December 2009 (UTC))

Actually, the reason it's there is because the signs themselves are fail. I'm pretty sure the signs don't do that in any other games, and this is freaking HGSS that it's happening in. It's supposed to be the best, in a graphical sense, and they already messed something up. R.A. Hunter Blade 13:40, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it needs a bit of re-wording...--ポケモン恋人(離す)(貢献) 13:44, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

It's fine. Unless it get's re-worded as "There's a minor glitch involving the Poké Mart signs. They are sometimes overlapping the edges of trees, making it appear as if they were built there." Basically the same thing. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:31, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

This wouldn't be Pokémon from Game Freak without some mistakes and glitches. And it isn't something that major anyway. Pokemon lover 21:00, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

How do you know it was a mistake? Just because you think it looks like crap doesn't mean that it's a glitch or a mistake... If you want to change the trivia to something like "the Poke Mart signs look like shit" then I understand you more, but there isn't anything suggesting it is a glitch :/ It's just personal opinion that they look like crap where they are placed... (Yaminokame 21:34, 15 December 2009 (UTC))

I'm not fully affirming that it is an error, even though it seems to be. And what I meant is that every Pokémon game has had this sort of situations so their occurrence isn't exactly new. ;-) Pokemon lover 21:49, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

It's probably a minor thing with the 3D graphic generator. And I never said it had to stay. I just told you why it was there. R.A. Hunter Blade 01:46, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

While the word "fail" isn't actually an adjective, I agree that it doesn't read too well. I'm not sure what would be a better replacement, or if it should be removed altogether... Soul of Dawn 14:51, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

May I ask

Why is HGSS being released in Korea before it's released in America? Shiny Pika 22:28, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

your guess is as good as any. its never happened before. -- MAGNEDETH 22:29, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks MAG. Talk about odd. Sould this be added to the trivia section? Shiny Pika 22:35, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

already there. -- MAGNEDETH 22:45, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Platinum engine?

This article says that this game appears to use the Platinum engine, but the last line in Tweaking#Exploitation seems to suggest that it might be a modified Diamond/Pearl engine. Ampere 02:11, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Late reply, but it's possible to tweak in Platinum. Due to Gen III/IV Pokemon retaining their Platinum sprites, Platinum's alternate formes, and the acid rain glitch, it's definitely built from Platinum's engine. MagicBarrier 22:07, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Image Gallery

I've been thinking now that English boxart had been revealed then perhaps the picture with the English logos could be replaced with a different noteworthy picture since it is not really needed anymore? -Tyler53841 17:54, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Good idea. I'll see if I can find something interesting. —darklordtrom 02:24, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

FireRed and LeafGreen mention

What does this say about FRLG? And what relation does it have with HGSS? Pokemon lover 18:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

It says that FRLG took place three years prior to HGSS. 梅子^❄_❅ 20:06, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

It's obvious FRLG are the prequels but at least they made it official now.--Midnight Blue 20:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

That popup has been on the site for ages. It's always been official. 梅子^❄_❅ 21:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. ;-) And I know it's been there for ages but when I first saw it months ago and asked on one of the now archived pages, I never got an answer. =S Pokemon lover 21:17, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Trivia?

These are the first games to have 2 different box arts. The box that contains the game and the Pokéwalker. And the art from the game it self?--Midnight Blue 03:20, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

FireRed and LeafGreen had the wireless adapter box art and the ones without the wireless adapter. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 03:28, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

True, but that was the only thing that was mostly changed, besides the Player's Choice title. But HGSS's boxart for the game itself, has a different background then the "package".--Midnight Blue 04:04, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

MB's right. But the Player's Choice one shouldn't count since it's not exclusive to Pokémon. ;-) Pokemon lover 12:54, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Pokemon lover! It would be nice if we could put those box arts on the page, b/c those are the true box arts. But we're not sure if this will be carried over to the U.S., so should we wait till the U.S. is released?--Midnight Blue 01:37, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Sadly, yes. we have to wait until english boxarts are released!! Shiny Pika 02:14, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Why do we have to wait until the English boxart's released? It's an English wiki, but there's no crime in putting up pictures with JAPANESE TEXT OMG in the meantime. Maybe not in the infobox, though. Just as a little side thing somewhere in the article. ▫▪Ťïňắ ^♫♥ 02:17, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

One thing that I came to realize which also may be trivia that I also posted about on the Magnezone page is that there is a chance that like FireRed and LeafGreen that not all evolutionary methods are available in the game, where in this case may have to do with location evolutions and possibly Feebas' evolution yet again. If proper research is done and if confirmed does anyone think that this might make it as trivia. -Tyler53841 03:14, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I think we are looking into that.

Anyways about the boxart topic, it seems they did not post the other boxarts on the site or anything. If we can at least get the Japanese ones, will we have to scan them?--Midnight Blue 04:25, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Australian release Date

At the moment it says the date for Australia is N/A. Well i was hopin that could now be changed. EB Games are now taking pre-orders for the game and are quoting a March 2010 release date. I was told the 14th when i made mine. Their website now has data for the game which also states a March 2010 release. http://www.ebgames.com.au/ds-149036-Pokemon-HeartGold-Version-Nintendo-DS http://www.ebgames.com.au/ds-149038-Pokemon-SoulSilver-Version-Nintendo-DS - unsigned comment from Dragonboy (talk • contribs)

EB Games is not an official source, so we can't use their date. If Nintendo of Australia confirms the date, then it can be added. - Kogoro | Talk to me - 11:31, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

And they don't even have the official boxart up yet.--ポケモン恋人(離す)(貢献) 22:23, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

US retailers were taking pre-orders months before the release date was confirmed, and they had a placeholder date of April, and the games are coming out in mid-March. Them just saying March, and having no box arts is not enough to confirm anything. --HoennMaster 23:33, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Version differences

Aside from the version-specific Pokémon, are there any other confirmed version differences between the two games? ⋆ASTROPHYSICS [ talk ] 22:29, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Slight plot change regarding the version mascots, but that's all I've heard of. —darklordtrom 22:32, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I supposed I should've expected that, what with R/S and FR/LG being only slightly different as well. Thanks for the answer. ⋆ASTROPHYSICS [ talk ] 05:28, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Is this normal?

I'm wondering if this was purposely done or not. In my copy of SoulSilver, I used a Walk-Through walls cheat with an AR and went to the trees above New Bark Town. And well...

I'm wondering if this was also in DPPtRSEFRLG. Ugoz 03:50, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Article's here. However, since the English version isn't out yet for this game, you can't upload that. Only Jap allowed until HGSS' release in America. ^ht14 03:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Ahh, thanks for clearing that up. Ugoz 03:59, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, could you (or anyone else) take a screenshot of being in the Mystery Zone in HGSS with the original Japanese game (as in, no English patch)? The page says that it's just a bunch of hyphens, but it'd be interesting to see a screenshot for proof... ▫▪Ťïňắ ^♫♥ 04:08, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Sadly, I cannot. :( But obviously there are people who don't have English patches. (Even then mine only translates the battle text and Pokecentres. XD) Ugoz 04:14, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

In other languages?!

I don't think that the titles in other languages are correct. Maybe the titles only include the english names because it haven't been released yet. For example, the spanish name is "Pokémon Edición Oro Heart Gold" because the real name it's not officialy revealed. --Gabo 2oo 16:25, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

No, Nintendo of Europe has already confirmed them as the titles. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 16:45, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Kind of an odd move, since one could look at the move logs on the German, French, and Spanish (but not Portuguese, since that end's focus is Brazilian as opposed to Iberian and probably wouldn't take notice of NoE's announcement of the localized Iberian Portuguese title) ends and find that "HeartGold" and "SoulSilver" were indeed translatable into localized titles...--Shiningpikablu252 20:53, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

There is no Iberian Portuguese games there is only the anime. But this is something new they are doing adding the English names to its respective titles. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 20:56, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, us here in Portugal thought that since Nintendo decided to kick Concentra's ass for poor performance as well as to open their branch here in 2008, with the offices being opened and starting operations in early April 2009, we'd get localized versions but Platinum proved otherwise. HGSS seem to be going the same path, though it's understandable since we got the UK DP long before Nintendo's change of plans. So we might only get PT-PT versions with Gen V. Pokemon lover 17:42, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

New Hero names

Please do not delte the names of the main character. They are official. --Vampirebidoof 21:38, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

They're as official as Serebii's site. So.... not much. Policy, as discussed on so many talk pages is to wait. —darklordtrom 21:41, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Agree with his choice especially since they are coming from one source only that is not official, even though I do recall hearing about changing the Slot Machines in the international releases before Serebii posted it, but all that can done now and wait even though Serebii is usually right most of the time. -Tyler53841 23:35, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Key words, most of the time. I don't think he bothers to look at item effects half the time in the English versions (if he even plays them...), because some of the descriptions of effects are from the manga, which is slightly different for some items than in the games. R.A. Hunter Blade 00:52, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Gameplay and Aesthetic Changes

Shouldn't the list of "Gameplay changes" come before "Aesthetic changes"? Changed in actual gameplay are more important, it would just make more sense to list them first. Taromon 13:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter, but that's how we have it on a few different pages, which is why it's how it is on this one. R.A. Hunter Blade 14:25, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

So if this is a FireRed / LeafGreen sequel, did they fix that potential plothole?

In the original Generation II, the game began with the discovery of Pokemon eggs. In FireRed and LeafGreen, however, Pokemon eggs have already been discovered. So in this game, was the storyline adjusted, or is this a plothole exclusive to the remakes? LinkTheLefty 03:35, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Elm was just like "I'VE NEVER SEEN A POKEMAN EGG BEFORE" despite being the authority on evolution. He's also pretty nonchalant when Mr. Pokémon sends him the email, as he says, "Oh, it's just another Pokémon Egg." MagicBarrier 06:42, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Official English HeartGold and SoulSilver site

Would someone please change the official English site from that article to this:

http://www.pokemongoldsilver.com/

Just whenever you have a chance, thanks.–MasterKenobi 04:07, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't say replace but instead add to the article. All those subsites won't last forever, unless TPCi changed things to be on par with TPC since Platinum. ポケモンあいこうか 16:45, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I didn't see it get replaced yet. I would do it, just, I'm not a mod or admin so I can't change it anymore. Could somebody either get on changing or adding it the page. 日本語 日本語 22:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Dates out of order

The dates are not messed up but it could be written better. It should read " Pokemon HeartGold and SoulSilver were released in Japan on September 12th, and in Korea on February 4th and are schedlued for release in North America on March 14th, In Australia on March 25 and in Europe on March 26th" instead of "The games were released on September 12, 2009 in Japan, and are scheduled to be released on March 14, 2010 in North America, March 26, 2010 in Europe, March 25, 2010 in Australia, and on February 4, 2010 in Korea." the way I rewrote it sounds better since the games have only been released in Korea and Japan at the moment instaed of the current way which makes it seem as if they have already been released. --Marchbaby 22:59, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Actually... it used to say something like that... but was changed by an administrator for the reason "this is an English wiki so English version dates go first"... sure, it's strange to look at now, but no sense in arguing :p (Yaminokame 20:04, 22 February 2010 (UTC))

Thats ok I just thought it seemed a little weird how it is currently written but when the games come out it will make more sense it just seems strange how it is currently written but I do know only Admins can make the change I just thought I would bring it up that it is a little weird.--Marchbaby 22:59, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

It is weird....actually it's wrong. Proper writing would be putting them in order of dates. --HoennMaster 04:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with you guys. I thought of saying something at first, but decided against it. As Marchbaby said, when the games come out in all areas at the very least it won't be as much of an eyesore... it's not too long now anyways :p (Yaminokame 05:26, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

At least I am not the only one who feels it is an eyesore how it is currently written thank you for those who agree with me. Now if only they would make it so I could eidt the page to make it less of an eyesore.--Marchbaby 18:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC))

Template:Langtable

To any admin: can you turn the "In the other languages" section into a subsection of the trivia and replace its entries with this, please:

Language Title Japanese ポケットモンスター ハートゴールド・ソウルシルバー French Pokémon Version Or HeartGold et Version Argent SoulSilver German Pokémon - Goldene Edition HeartGold und Silberne Edition SoulSilver Italian Pokémon Versione Oro HeartGold e Versione Argento SoulSilver Korean 포켓몬스터 하트골드·소울실버 Spanish Pokémon Edición Oro HeartGold y Edición Plata SoulSilver

Thx in advance. ポケモンあいこうか 11:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Character Names

Serebii has long since released the official English names of many characters, can somebody change them? The GuyNamedSean, yep, that's me! 05:46, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Please read the previous discussions on the matter. All you need to do is scroll up. 梅子^❄_❅ 05:48, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Now the names ARE official. In the demos the name for kotone is Lyra. Can I change it now? - unsigned comment from Vampirebidoof (talk • contribs)

Is it really that hard to wait another 8 days? --AndyPKMN 15:07, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

No, but it's dumb that official game footage has confirmed it ant the mods still refuse to act like it's valid enough proof. --HoennMaster 22:00, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Dates

The dates need to be changed because in one of the countries (I think Korea) HeartGold and SoulSilver has already came out Cody A. Delis 00:58, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Why do they need to be changed? I think the sentence should be reworded to note that the Korean HGSS is already out. ナエトル A or Turtwig A My talk and my contributions 01:03, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Thats what I meant sorry,I just typed what went through my head. Cody A. Delis 01:05, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

ive taken care of it. -- MAGNEDETH 18:37, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

New images

Could someone put these in? They are English screen shots to replace the Jap. ones a:File:SoulSilver US start screen.jpg a:File:Heart Gold US start screen.jpg

They are from the press site:

http://press.nintendo.com/object?id=19523

http://press.nintendo.com/object?id=19535

WaterUser _{(page, talk)} 19:36, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Gameplay changes correction

The last note needs to be updated on the Kimono Girls summoning dance to reflect that it is only for summoning Ho-Oh in HeartGold and Lugia in SoulSilver only to avoid confusion. As long as the page is protected there is nothing that I can do about it. -Tyler53841 21:37, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

New Dutch/Belgium Release Date

Just got a mail from Nintendo saying that the new release date for the games is the second of april (april 2 2010).

Is it worth it posting this on the article? Alexjuuhh 15:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Since these news articles at Nintendo NL and Dutch BE, respectively, announce the release date as April 2, then yes, it must be mentioned on the article. ポケモンあいこうか 11:14, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

On memes in the Trivia section

Seeing as Bulbapedia is being a big ol' bag of dicks at the moment and I can't edit anything without getting a 504, I'll just leave this here as a note in case I forget about it.

In the Trivia section, the 'A winner is you' quote links to the Wikipedia page for Yoda of Star Wars fame; it should link to the page for Pro Wrestling on the Nintendo Entertainment System, as this is where the meme originates from. - unsigned comment from Tehb0ll0x (talk • contribs)

first off, we arent being "a big bag of dicks" about the 504s. we simply have too many users and not enough server. if you read the Message from the Editor on the main page, you would know this.

second, idk who added it, but its pretty clear they guessed on that one.

third, sign your comments. -- MAGNEDETH 21:21, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I wasn't referring to the Bulbapedia community, staff, et al, but to the site itself. In other words, I was doing the typically human thing and blaming the inanimate object for the problem. Apologies for the misunderstanding. And I'm ALWAYS forgetting to sign things. Apologies for that too. Tehb0ll0x 20:54, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

KOREAN POKEMON BOXART IMAGE

I FOUND THIS IMAGE OF THE KOREAN BOXART OF THIS GAME FROM SOME KOREAN WEBSITE (source). Is it OK to put it in the article? Giratina Joe - Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT 06:40, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

No, only the english boxart. --Midnight Blue 06:42, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it did

Before anything starts about what i added in the trivia section, i saw the commercial myself.- unsigned comment from Flyingtypefan (talk • contribs)

That was a shot from a battle on the PokéWalker, sorry. Oh and be sure to sign. Mudkipluvr4ever 22:43, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

It was? Well, i haven't used the Pokewalker before, so can you encounter a Lugia on the Pokewalker? Just to be sure, i'll see if i can find the commercial online. Flyingtypefan 06:45, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

If the Lugia is on the right of the screen, it's the players Pokémon. The opposite to normal main game battles.--Pokélova! 10:09, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Anyone mind a few more redirects?

Does anyone mind if I make a few more directs to this article? Specifically redirecting 'SilverSoul' to this article, because people commonly mix up SoulSilver as SilverSoul, it's a common mistake and I've been known to do it a large number of times (not on this wiki of course...). So anyway, would anyone mind if I made those redirects? Mudkipchan 02:53, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

I've never seen anybody use that. R.A. Hunter Blade 04:41, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

How far should the notes go

One thing that has been on my mind for a while is how far should the notes and trivia go to avoid making this too long for the page. Minor tidbits that are not related to a general change could be removed or moved, and one thing I did was merge to similar notes together. This is the perspective I have been looking at for HeartGold and SoulSilver. -Tyler53841 15:27, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Should this be on the page?

HGSS combined have sold over 10,090,000 copies.--immewnitythemew 20:50, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Two cases

Should it be mentioned that the game comes within two cases? One holding the Pokéwalker and the actual game case, and then the actual game case itself? --HoennMaster 18:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Australian Release

On the article it says that Australia has had HeartGold and SoulSilver since the 25th of March 2010, right? I was walking past an Australian store with the games on an earlier date, around the 18th to the 23rd. Should it be changed? Strongriver 05:52, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Does that store import games? I know that there are quite a few stores in English speaking countries which will import the games from the States to get them earlier than local release (although in this case only by a few days. Platinum however it was a couple of months.) Werdnae (talk) 05:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

The official release date of the games in Australia was indeed March 25. I think we should just leave it as that. Preorders sometimes arrive before the release dates, too. たかはりい 07:55, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Critical Reception

Should this page have a "Reception" section like other games? I have some information regarding review scores and nowhere to put them.--NotSteve 22:56, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

MISSING PLOT?

Why is the Plot section of this article missing? The last time I checked this article, it was here. ZMT123 16:11, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Uh, from what I've seen, it hasn't been there for months, possibly due to its remake status. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 16:30, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

But Firered and Leafgreen have a Plot section and they are also remakes. HGSS plot has a few plot changes from Gold and Silver so this article needs a Plot section. ZMT123 16:35, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Type Secialist

Is it worth noting that this game is the first to include type specialist for all 17 types (15 different gym leaders (not including Blue), Karen (Dark), and possibly Giovanni). I say possibly because I don't know if he counts as a Ground type specialist in these games. Iml908 (talk) 01:22, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

The title of the page should stay the same.

It has been suggested that the title of this article be renamed "Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver." I'm okay with the suggestion, but even though other territories don't use the word "version," North America does, so we should refer to them by their full North American names. Thank you. Crunchdog29 (talk) 23:35, 25 September 2015 (UTC)