Talk:Animated series move errors

There has to be a way to make it so that EP goes before AG and DP... TTEchidna 00:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Roark's Onix

Did Roark's Onix use Zap cannon in DP017 or DP018?PokeManiac102 04:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)\

neither but it did use screech User: ShinyMedicham

Order?

Are the anime moves supposed to be in order and if so, order by what? Cassius335 13:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Order by episode. TTEchidna^G_SDS! 10:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

And what about the combees and psybeam in DP...errrr...Ok I dont rember which.... - CrystalLucario 14:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I was under the impression that that was Vespiquin's Attack Order. - Cassius335 01:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Attack order.... I could swore brock said psybeam...but attack order make sense... - CrystalLucario 12:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Some of these attacks

Some of these attack seem like Physical Attributes and are they really that notable? Like Marnie's Drifloon knowing Fly. Are we sure we can consider that its actually using the game move Fly? The pokedex does say they try to carry children away, and Drifloon can float. I know she says fly but fly itself doesn't mean its actually the move. Here about this for an example, suppose there is a large flying Pokemon with wings, but it can't learn fly in the games, when it carries someone, is it really considered to be using the actual game move Fly? --Dman dustin 11:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering that, too. I suppose if a trainer tells their Pokémon to use (move), then it counts. TTEchidnaFire echy 20:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

But is saying "Pokemon, move!" the same thing as "Pokemon, use move!"? - Cassius335 13:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Almost all Pokémon with wings can fly, but it isn't always the attack Fly. If it was the move Fly, they would have to hit the Pokémon not just fly away. File:Ani448MS.gifJmathFile:Ani447MS.gifTalkFile:Ani448MS.gif 18:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Riolu is a similar issue. It's knowledge of Aura Sphere is due to it being able to manipulate aura, which its species normally can't do until after evolution. In fact, for all we know, it might use that move in the game anyway. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd say Take Riolu off the list, In Pokémon Ranger Batonnage There is a Bonus mission to get a Riolu and if you beat it, you can transfer it to D/P and It will know Aura Sphere--Quick Man 19:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

That's an abnormal method of learning it, though. Riolu can't learn Aura Sphere in the main games, anymore than Pikachu can learn Surf. - Cassius335 21:54, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Since the episode was specifically based on the Battonage mission, that argument is invalid.

I'm also seriously questioning Bulbasaur tickling Togepi being an error, especially given that the move known as Tickle didn't even exist back then. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 00:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't even think the move Tickle was PLANNED. Seriously, Ash didn't say 'Bulbasaur, use Tickle!' Instead, he said 'Bulbasaur, tickle Psyduck!' Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links02:46 11 May 2008

Also, James Hoppip using Fly is Invald, too. it Just flew with the Air current's, which is on it's Pokédex entries.--Quick Man 20:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Drew's Butterfree

We should include Drew's Butterfree using Protect Livinlarge18 22:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

No....Butterfree can learn protect through TM. Dean

Ash's Pikachu

Should Ash's Pikachu using Volt Tackle be added? I know it's an egg move from Pichu, but Ash's Pikachu learned it through a different way.- unsigned comment from Strawhat luffy (talk • contribs)

The only issue there is the method of learning, which the writers had no choice but to cheat on. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 00:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

You know, it could of known it all along and may have been born with the tequnique. It may have just taken it a while to figure out how to use it. Remember, games doesn't always equal anime. --☆ケンジガール 01:12, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that games =/= anime is the whole point of this article. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 01:15, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

We include Volt Tackle, we include Misty's Azurill's Refresh. Trust me, Pokémon in the anime can learn moves through bull**** methods without a moment's notice. For example, if Dawn's newly-evolved Prinplup starts sparring against Ash's Monferno working on a bull**** method to learn Stealth Rock in DP085, would we include that? No.

(For the record, the example is not indicative of any actual DP085 plot.) --Shiningpikablu252 02:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I think the difference though is some Pokemon can't learn/know a specific move period. And TMs don't really exist in the anime, and so most of the time a Pokemon has to learn a move by watching someone else. (Ash's Turtwig with Energy Ball). And with the case of Pikachu, all it was required to do is store it's electricity and use Quick attack, which is probably how all Pichu/Pikachu/Raichu are capable of using Volt Tackle. The anime puts more realism in the show, since the games are limited. I would be surprised if the games had a system where if you used two attacks in a row and leveled up, it would learn a move that way. And I think the point of this article is for moves that a Pokemon cannot know a move for any reason. Like if a Caterpie started using Flamethrower. It cannot know it period. But Pikachu can know Volt Tackle --Dman dustin 18:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

How do we know that Ash's Pikachu was never a Pichu that was bred with a Light Ball? For all we know, Pikachu could have hatched under the same circumstances as an in-game Pichu that knows Volt Tackle, only for some reason it was unaware that it could use the move until that moment. Diachronos 17:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

"the games"

Riolu's Aura Sphere seems to have exposed an issue. What are we counting as "the games"? Just the main set (RBY,GSC,RSE,FRLG & DP) or the various side games as well? For that matter, what counts as "learned"? - Cassius335 10:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe it counts any move that a Pokemon can learn through any method, as long as that Pokemon with that move can be brought over to a main game. I'm Missingno. Master, and I approve this message. 11:00, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, because the Riolu is transferred to D/P, Riolu does learn Aura Sphere in D/P.--KukiTalk 13:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

That's not what "learn" means, Kuki. It can "know" Aura Sphere in D/P, but there's no way within D/P themselves for Riolu to acquire Aura Sphere; not by level-up, not by TM, not by egg-move or Heart Scale, not even by Move tutor. Even in Baatonage, the Riolu doesn't "learn" Aura Sphere as such; it shows up already knowing the move, without any indication of how it got the move. That's sort of it's whole point: it's an abberation, an anomaly; A Pokemon which knows a move it shouldn't know until it evolves. As such, Riolu's Aura Sphere belongs on the list. - Cassius335 12:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

If that is the case, Ash using Aura Sphere in movie 8 should also be on the list. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 12:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

*laughs* Don't tempt me. I don't think that was supposed to be Aura Sphere, though. - Cassius335 12:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Anime errors?

I couldn't find an article on this, but I remember general anime errors in the cartoon that weren't move related. Like Jenny commanding a Growlithe (by calling it Arcanine) to take down Team Rocket's balloon, and Pikachu's electric attack taking out Marowak, which is equally as bad as a move error. I know there's other examples out there too.. Would it be a good idea if there be a general Anime Errors article, with the move errors being a subset of it? Or am I just crazy? Toastypk 19:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

We have an errors section in every anime episode's page!--KukiTalk 19:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Well we have all the move related ones here, so just a thought. Toastypk 19:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Bronzor and Teleport

There was really no proof that it used Teleport. All that I saw was Bronzor using Confusion on the Unown and then they were gone. Maybe Saturn as a teleportation device. Unlikely but it could happen. --☆ケンジガール 22:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Jynx Ice Punch/Beam

I don't know if this is the right place to place this but in The Manarin Island Miss Match Loreli/Prima commands her Jynx to use Ice Beam and to me it looks a lot more like Ice Punch. - unsigned comment from Moretacos (talk • contribs) at 19:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

BUT it can learn both moves legally, and thats what we mean by errors moves they CAN"T learn in the games--KukiTalk 19:30, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

That was just a dub error cause the idiots people at 4Kids can't tell the difference between Ice Beam and Ice Punch. --☆ケンジガール 20:12, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't see why it's so hard; how do Freezing Punch and Freezing Beam sound alike at all? Panchi vs Bimu... TTEchidna 21:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Paul's Ursaring

Ursaring can learn Headbutt by way of TM02 in Generation II. Perhaps Paul got his hands on a Johto TM and taught this move to Ursaring. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 15:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Exept that there are no TM's in the anime.Pikachu learned Iron tail through training, not by a TM. - unsigned comment from Tomas (talk • contribs)

Nosepass and Hyperbeam?

We can't judge a Pokemon's attack solely by its appearance, just because it looked like Hyper beam doesn't mean it was hyper beam. Roxanne in the original said "denjihou" which is not hyper beam but Zap Cannon. Hyperbeam is "hakaikousen" unless someone who actually speaks Japanese would like clarify at what point did Nosepass use hyper beam. Plus it paralysing Nosepass sort of makes it final that Roxanne's Nosepass never used hyper beam. Also when has hyperbeam ever been electrical in its appearance? --Dman dustin 03:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I can't speak for the Japanese version. But my DVD with the dub has Roxanne saying "Zap Cannon". --Sato 13:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Well I did see the Japanese version, and like I said I clearly keep hearing the Japanese name for "Zap Cannon" (Denjihou). I wonder, do the people who think it is hyper beam, are basing it only on its appearance or are you actually basing it on what Roxanne said. Now I suppose its possible that in the very original (the first time this episode aired) Roxanne told Nosepass to use hyper cannon, but the version I saw, she says "Denjihou" which is Zap Cannon. Now you're probably going to ignore me because I don't speak Japanese, but I'd like to point out, I'm using these move names from someone who does speak Japanese. And like I said in July, since when has Hyper Beam been electrical in appearance. I'll gladly give the link of the version I saw, if someone needs it. --Dman dustin 15:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

EP25

When Ash's Pikachu attacks Team rocket with what Ash would usually call thunderbolt, he simply says "electric attack". Isn't that a type of special move instead?

• Depends. Is it simply a dub error, or did he say it in Japanese, too? --隼也 20:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Zap Cannon? Error?

I really don't think that Anabel's Espeon using Zap Cannon can be counted as a move error. If you look at Espeon's Generation II learnset (TM), you'll find TM07: Zap Cannon. SharKing 21:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)SharKing

The same applies for Ursaring and Headbutt. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 18:21, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Other Combo Attacks

Wasn't there an episode where Squirtle and Pickachu combined their attacks to make a sort of electricly-charged water attack? --Manga-in-a-bottle 04:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Combining moves doesn't count as an error. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 17:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Crawdaunt

Didn't Kyles crawdaunt use mudshot? I'm fairly sure Crawdaunt can't learn that - unsigned comment from TheAlmightyChris (talk • contribs)

No, it was Sludge Bomb, which Crawdaunt can learn. --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 20:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

My mistake, thanks TheAlmightyChris 18:39, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Cheryl's Mothim & Ash's Chimchar

Cheryl's mothim used supersonic in the anime, but in the games, there's no way for him to learn it. am I right?

Ash's chimchar can't use pound, isn't it? but in the anime, it was seen using that move.

• Pound is basically just hitting the opponent, it doesn't count (just like Samurai's Pinsir using tackle in episode 1 shouldn't really count because all tackle does is plow into the opponent, any solid Pokemon can do that) - unsigned comment from Blackstone Dresden (talk • contribs)

Titles

In the exceptions section, why aren't the dub titles used?--KukiTalk 21:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Good question. I don't think there's any reason for not putting in the dub titles barring sheer laziness. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 21:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Anime Pokémon Used Moves

There are plenty of moves on the "Used Moves" section on the pages of anime Pokémon that they cannot learn, shouldn't those be seperate from ones they can learn? (ex. Satoshi's Lizardon/Ash's Charizard, check out all those "illegal" moves!) GuyNamedSean 01:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Masquerain

Unless I'm completely bugging, I remember (was a VERY short scene) a Masquerain using Surf in one of the contests that May entered, which of course, can't be learned by said pokemon. Anyone remember this? >_< Myzou 00:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I remember that scene. It could be Water Pulse, though. --☆Kevzo8 12:49, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Metagross

Really? First off it looked nothing like lock-on used when Brandon did it. Secondly I'm pretty sure it was just in reference to Metagross's supercomputer brain. And thirdly even if somehow it was lock-on it wouldn't explain why Metagross used it, Metagross did it to come up with a strategy against Wobbuffet. Lock-on would only guarantee Wobbuffet using a counter move like Counter or Mirror Coat not surpass it. And finally it was never mentioned by Team Rocket to be Lock on. Really it was mostly a reference to it's intelligence not a move itself. I thought that was pretty obvious given those "Fakey Equations" going through Metagross's eyes. I mean what Supercomputer is incapable of figuring out the angles and what needs to be done. With Lock-on the move it may have nothing to do with intelligence but in Metagross's case it was. So I think Metagross should be removed due to lack of evidence. --Dman dustin 10:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

A Dusknoir with Rapid Spin

In Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky anime special, Dusknoir used Rapid Spin, which it can't learn in the games. Also, what's the attack called that Dusknoir used on the ghost girl in Ghoul Daze?--Brats817 23:03, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I think it was will-o-wisp. Poisson14 01:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

If your going..

..to have a page listing this stuff then you may as well have a page listing the fact that in the anime Pokemon can learn more then 4 moves unlike the game. When Krabby evolved into Kingler it used 5 moves after evolving. And half of these moves listed are just the Pokemon doing things they could normally do if they were real which the anime makes out they are cause in the games you can't tell a Pokemon to dodge an attack or use an attack at the same time as an opponent. Also the comments about Counter for Caterpie and such IIRC Ash merely said for Caterpie to counter the attack not meaning use the counter attack but to do something to counter it which could be understandable since he could have not known the attacks it could use. Also if your adding things to this page then why not have that Brock's Onix used Wrap on many occasions? And Ash's Larvitar didn't use the move Harden, it just Hardened up which is an expression like clamming up. The anime doesn't follow the same rules as the games. To me this page seems a bit of a waste.--Lycos Ex Mortis 10:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

A whole page about that would be a waste. And I don't think they've ever used more than 4 moves in an episode. But aside from that, they could learn new moves. Basically, what you're saying is that we should also (if we made the page) add Ash's Pikachu to that page, since it has used more than 4 moves. Which is why the page would be a waste, because we'd be adding most of the main characters' Pokémon to the page, and only them. R.A. Hunter Blade 12:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC)