Talk:Generation V

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Any References?

With the impending release of Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver in America, can someone keep an eye out for any in-game references to Gen. V? Much appreciated. The Jigglypuff Ninja 01:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I doubt there are any references to Gen V in HGSS. -Sketch 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

And I highly doubt that NoA would change the script to add such references in. 梅子^❄_❅ 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Any references will probably be in the new Ranger game. Although the Lock Capsule is probably related to something in Generation V.--Purimpopoie 01:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

It's a Gen IV event item. Likely gonna be for a Gen IV event. Think: what hasn't been released yet? Could be Celebi... TTEchidna 03:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

At the risk of dragging this out too far (this is quickly becoming something that'd fit on the forums), hackers would have found a Celebi Event in the coding, but no one has. Add in that PokeBeach reports that it seems to have similar transfer data as the Manaphy Egg, and it seems like it's supposed to be transferred out of HGSS into a new game... but I digress. We have no proof either way.--Purimpopoie 05:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

The question is... how would it be obtained in the first place? TTEchidna 07:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Jumping the Gun a bit?

Are you guys sure we aren't looking into this a bit too far? All we have for clues are that they announced a new game and a new *something*. Not to mention it says it's gonna be new on the DS. What's to be sure of all of that? For all we know, the new game could be MindCrystal, the silhouette could be a new Forme like the last 5 that were announced. The new game could be a wii sequel to Pokemon XD:Gale of Darkness. If we can't even have Pokemon evolved editing pages when they're in the titles of episodes, why can we just up and announce a new generation? I mean, Pokebeach even said the silhouette isn't Z, what makes anyone certain it's Generation V?SLE_aman 11:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

What does Pokebeach have to do with anything? We know this is Gen V because Masuda SAID it is a new Pokémon. Nothing in this article says that this Pokémon is Z. Because we don't know that. All we know is that it is a new Pokémon. To think otherwise... well, you're in denial big time. -Sketch 12:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

The original announcement talked about the popularity of Diamond and Pearl before saying this game will be set in a new region with new Pokémon. What more evidence do you need? --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 12:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, technically, the RPG announcement never explicitly said it would be main series. Even though Generation V Pokémon were hinted, it was never explicitly said that it was the full-fledged generation. It also never explicitly said it would be a pair, either. There are RPGs other than the main series, and they could use a side-series RPG to give Generation V-based cameos to increase anticipation for the full-fledged generation to come at a later date (much like Mystery Dungeon 1 did). Recent announcements pretty much excludes the possibility of it being a Ranger 4, but it's still possible that it could be a Mystery Dungeon 5 or something completely different than anything we've seen before. My 2¢: Odds are the TBA 2010 thing is not for the full-fledged Generation V. Especially if the RPG announcement turns out to be for a single. They've faked us out before, and even if the silhouette does turn out legitimate, it's probably still too early to be thinking full-fledged Generation V. --Shiningpikablu252 18:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I've seen a subb'ed version. Masuda specifically said "We're working on a new generation of pokémon" --User:Camzoman

Yeah. And nowhere in that did it explicitly say that was the TBA 2010 project. They can be working on a new generation of Pokémon, yet still announce and release side games relating mainly to the previous generation. --Shiningpikablu252 19:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Camzoman, where exactly did you see this subbed version? I did not hear Masuda mention a "new generation" anywhere in the video - what he said was "we're developing a brand-new work for Pokemon." However, I don't think there's any denying at this point that it is indeed the new generation. The Corocoro site doesn't seem to be implying that this is a side game (not that Game Freak makes side games to begin with). It's a new version(s), with a new setting, new Pokemon, new features... sounds like a new generation to me. :/ 梅子^❄_❅ 19:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Japanese doesn't have a plural so the "he only said one" argument doesn't hold. Just look at the information we have. It's obviously Generation V. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 12:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Anyway, the CoroCoro scans for Zoroark fit the silhouette from Pokémon Sunday.--User:Crazylegs24

Why is this page protected?

Why is this page protected? --Any Questions????? 18:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Think about it.--Midnight Blue 18:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

*cough*Speculation*cough* CuboneKing 18:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Because someone is 100% likely going to put what they think the new Pokémon is, probably saying it's Mightyena's evolution or something, if it isn't protected. That is speculation, something that isn't allowed here in the mainspace. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 22:21, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

It is not a good sign when a question like this needs to be asked.--Mtn otter We are the Void 22:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

That against us or against the users who'd make crappy speculative edits? TTEchidna 03:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

It's against users who don't realise why it should be protected...--Mtn otter We lie in wait...... 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

...same thing? TTEchidna 04:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Arguable.--Mtn otter We lie in wait...... 13:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Would it not be better to make this page "semi-protected" so that only established users can edit? There are plenty of established users who are not administrators, whom I'm sure would want to contribute to such a monumental article. Kidburla 09:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

That wouldn't stop speculation from incurring. If you have any confirmed evidence, ask for it here.--Clarky13 10:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Generation V Pokémon Infobox, anyone?

I know you'll probably all find this pointless, but I decided to throw together a temporary infobox to use for the Generation V Pokémon articles. It's basically a stripped-down version of the regular infobox that leaves out all the fields for any technical stuff (Egg groups, EXP yield, Gender ratios, etc.) that's unlikely to be revealed until Pokémon V comes out later this year. I also created a user-subpage for the silhouetted mystery Pokémon that uses a non-categorizing version of this template.

Thanks to PsychicRider for making me aware of the original non-categorizing Pokémon infobox. Quagbert 00:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Masamitsu Hidaka

Should Masamitsu Hidaka be mentioned since that interview kind of confirmed Generation V? --HoennMaster 05:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Unlink

Can somebody please unlink "Generation V Pokémon"? It's a redlink right now. R.A. Hunter Blade 13:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

This just in!

Serebii.net just confirmed the first two Fifth Generation Pokémon! Go check it out! :) --Dialgafan1 14:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Serebii.net didn't. Leaked scans did. Also, the first one was already revealed. The second one was revealed to be before it in their evolutionary line. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 14:22, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I think yu're probably going to need to find this information from another source. It seems like the users here have some sort of vendetta against Serebii.--Skaisdead 14:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

It is officially confirmed. It was from a different source. It was from scans. You can see bulbanews's draft. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

We don't have any vendetta against Serebii. He just isn't the source in this case - CoroCoro is. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 15:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Either way, it's confirmed right? I'd love to update the page, but it's locked. *ahem* Chosen of Mana - 15:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Here's the picture! --Dialgafan1 15:19, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Alright, these two Pokémon have been offically confirmed by the leaked CoroCoro scans, but apparently it's still considered too early to put up the Bulbapedia articles for them. Is there some additional form of conformation that we're waiting for?

Anyway, I already have Zorua and Zoroark in my userspace ready to be moved to the main space when we're finally allowed to do so. Quagbert 17:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

It's probably due to lack of information. I assume that when its ability/abilities and/or base stats are revealed it will be moved. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 17:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

IIRC, none of that sort of information (especially base stats) was revealed for the Generation IV Pokémon until the actual release of Diamond/Pearl, or shortly before, though we still had mainspace articles for them anyway. This means it'd be months before we move Zorua/Zoroark into the mainspace. Quagbert 17:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Actually, according to serebii, they're supposed to be revealed next month. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 18:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Related Pokémon

On the page, it says that it has noteable links with the Riolu and Poochyena families. If it's definitely pure dark type then just ignore this, but couldn't it be an alternative to the Vulpix family? --Herachu 22:07, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree. --i herd u liek Treakos? 00:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC) Kimori-Hinoarashi

New Pokémon template

Based partly on the {{DP episode}} template, I've decided to make a new Pokémon template to use the next time a new Pokémon is revealed. The code would go like this:

{{subst:NewPokémon|main|Jp. Katakana name|Romanized Jp. name|
typen= (number of types) |
type1= (first type) |
type2= (second type) |
pron= (name's pronunciation) |
jspecies= (species in Japanese) |
species= (species, aka "____ Pokémon")
image= (filename of image) |
caption= (caption for said image) |
height-m= (height in meters) |
weight-kg= (weight in kilograms) |
prev= (previous Pokémon's (i.e. pre-evolution) name, Arceus by default) |
prevnum= (previous Pokémon's National Dex #, 493 by default) |
next= (next Pokémon's (i.e. evolved form) name, Bulbasaur by default) |
nextnum= (next Pokémon's National Dex #, 001 by default) |
}}

Those who want to use this template for their own userspace should replace "main" in the top line with "user", so that those user sub-pages aren't categorized with the genuine Pokémon articles in the main space. Quagbert 01:04, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Take away part in introduction

It says that it is unknown whether the new games will be contemporaneous with any of the other games. I beg to differ. Pokemon Sunday officially stated that Zoroark lives in a "New Area". Or is it just saying that it is unknown whether it will be possible to travel to another region? Spenfen

Contemporaneous means at the same time. Like how RBY and RSE are at the same time, and so is GSC and DPPt. It has nothing to do with location.--Gou 18:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Japanese Gen. 5 page

I have a good link to a japanese page on the Generation 5 games here: [1].--Christopher Costello 01:14, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

That's kinda where we got all of our information. Pokémon.co.jp and the Japanese Pokémon variety shows. TTEchidna 03:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Interwiki link to Pokéteca

Now that there's an article about Generation V on Pokéteca, can someone add it the interwiki link to it, please? --Blaziken257 03:19, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Two New Generation V Pokémon Scan !!!

Hey guys, I got this EPIC magazine scan featuring two new evolutions of Delibird and Farfetch'd from Generation V and it seems 100% real. - unsigned comment from Adyniz (talk • contribs)

It's not. Notice how I protected the hell out of those names before Zoroark and Zorua were revealed. TTEchidna 07:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Does that mean this scan is a fake one? --♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 07:11, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

The screenshot is obviously fake if you couldn't tell. That should have given it away easily. So yes, it is fake. —♥ Jello 07:29, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Lol, man I am dumb.

Source: http://www.pokemondarkay.net/- unsigned comment from Adyniz (talk • contribs)

Looks pretty real. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 11:00, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Well it may look real but I've seen things in my days done in Photoshop that looked very real. Can someone translate or is there even any legit source? I don't read Spanish nor Japanese. insomniac 11:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Since it's already been confirmed as fake, please take further discussion regarding the scan to the forums. Thanks, - Kogoro | Talk to me - 11:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Nintendo 3DS

It's very likely that these new games will be on the 3DS, so can someone remove the statement saying that the games will be released on the regular DS?--immewnitythemew 00:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Generation II ahoy. The press release said DS. Not 3DS. 3DS comes out NEXT YEAR. These come out THIS YEAR. Nintendo's not stupid. TTEchidna 00:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

It could be released before Christmas in Japan so there is the potential for the game to be on 3DS. But that's purely guesswork at the moment and it could still be a DS game even if the 3DS is implemented so we go with the only source on the matter - the original announcement which said it will be on the DS. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 11:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Or, as in Generation II, the games could be programmed with 3DS enhancements, yet still be playable on the DS. Nonetheless, until something official states that they will utilize the 3DS, any mention of it is speculation at best. --AndyPKMN 14:23, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Technically, TTEchidna, the page that announced the 3DS stated that it would be released sometime between now and next April, so that doesn't mean next year.

DarthMartian7 23:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Current Length

The days have weird numbers, can an administrator fix them? Thanks. Dialgafan1 21:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

They're automatically calculated by the template... —darklordtrom 06:38, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

But the games haven't been released yet. I think it's too early to say that Generation V has started. Fudgenuggets 22:16, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

It hasn't started yet. It starts in 0.8 days according to those numbers. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 03:22, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

It's because it's calculated weirdly. Once we have a date, we'll put that in, and it'll look right. Until then, DECIMALLLLLLLLLL TTEchidna 02:34, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Uploaded player sprite

I got the player sprite and uploaded it to the archives... I guess if someone can find a place for it on the article, well, there it is!

Actually, now that I see them side-by-side, it looks like the front-facing sprite on the left is the male character while the right-facing sprite on the right is the female character. Any ideas? - Nick15 02:01, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

1) This is the article for Gen V in general, not just Black and White.

2) Do we have the overworld sprites from the past games anywhere? The characters themselves will get articles eventually but we will hopefully have Sugimori artwork released around the time that happens. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 23:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

We do, but... mostly fronts. And those are animated. TTEchidna 06:02, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'm sure there's a home for those sprites... right? :) - Nick15 06:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

About the day count...

You should set it to zero, I'm not sure we'll have Pokémon B&W in -0.840277777778 days. --Masatoshi 12:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

But we all wish we did... Thermorules123 11:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

You mean you didn't get your game 0.840277777778 days ago? Never mind, I hacked the template to make it say better stuff. —darklordtrom 12:10, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

As long as you didn't break the template on the other four generations. TTEchidna 01:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain I didn't. Fixed it through an optional extra parameter. Seeing as the parameter doesn't exist on the other four pages, nothing should have broken. —darklordtrom 05:19, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Gen 4 compatability

Shouldn't it be noted that this has been confirmed? (The upcoming Flare Blitz Entei and co can do something in gen 5) - unsigned comment from Deuxhero (talk • contribs)

makes sense, but since it's not officially confirmed, we can't include it. ShinyPikachu 12:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean, it hasn't been officially confirmed? It's been confirmed that the shiny legendary gerbils unlock something in BW, meaning that they are transferable to aforementioned games. Serebii.net reported on this last month. Oh wait, let me guess- Serebii.net isn't what you consider a reliable source despite only being wrong about stuff they explicitly said they weren't sure about in the first place. We also didn't add all the english names for all the HGSS stuff until it came out and proved him right. When are you guys gonna swallow your pride and admit that Serebii.net is probably the most reliable source of Pokémon information in the internet? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 14:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

The most reliable source of Pokémon information in the internet?, Hahahaha, I don't think so. Anyway, wait for an official announcement before doing/adding anything. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 14:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

If I recall though it was indeed confirmed by an official source that the legendary beasts could unlock something in BW... apparently someone got their hands on the pamphlet that you get for pre-ordering the ticket and it states that the beasts unlock stuff in BW. Not sure if there's a scan of it anywhere though, I would refrain from putting it on the page if it's just his personal speculation again. ▫▫ティナ^♫★ 15:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

If it is added, be sure not to assume HOW the games are compatible; it's possible they could unlock something through a method other than trading or transferring. --AndyPKMN 14:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Just as a clarification, an official site has yet to specifically state "generation 4 can trade in some way with generation 5". The pamphlet in question can be seen in entirety here. On page 3 there is a small section that talks about Pokemon Black/White and the last sentence of that section mentions that the 3 have a secret. This was taken to mean that the 3 unlock something in B/W obviously because it is mentioned inside the B/W section and therefore probably are able to be traded to Gen 5 in some way. Anyways, that was the logic behind "Gen 4 and 5 compatibility confirmed." Whether that is a good enough reason to be added on here or not, I don't know :p (Yaminokame 16:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC))

There's also that little issue of them being ON THE DS. TTEchidna 23:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Starters

Here's the image from Pokémon Sunday: Dialgafan1 01:49, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I can guess that the Grass Type is a Bird of Parodise Pokemon, as in the plant 'Bird of Parodise,' and also they had already done Bird based starters for Fire and Water, and not yet Grass. If this could be true when revealed, then it will certainly complete the Bird Starters just like the Lizard Starters of Grass,Fire and Water. The Fire Type could may as well be a piglet for it's curley tail, and the Water Type could be another Amphibian Pokemon like Mudkip. These are just guesses, but what do you think? User:Cynthia149 17:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I think that you need to take your speculation to the forums. ^Maverick_Nate 16:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Just for the heck of it, I have a draft article for the Grass starter, which I created using the template I mentioned above. I also have startup code to create the Fire and Water starters' articles using this same template, if anyone's interested:

Fire Starter:
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|日本語名|JP Name
|species=
|typen=1|type1=Fire
|image=
|art=<!--BW-->|caption=Scan from [[CoroCoro]]
|height-m=
|weight-kg=
|prev=(grass starter)|next=water starter)}}

Water Starter:
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|日本語名|JP Name
|species=
|typen=1|type1=Water
|image=
|art=<!--BW-->|caption=Scan from [[CoroCoro]]
|height-m=
|weight-kg=
|prev=(fire starter)|next=Zorua}}

Quagbert 01:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

For the curious, from left to right its the Grass-type, the Fire-type, and the Water-type. Here. Still no names or pics other though. Drake Clawfang 14:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

There's this great site called Bulbanews that has already reported that information - and with pictures, too! 梅子^❀_✿ 16:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Excuuuuse me for not noticing. Drake Clawfang 18:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

"Both are canine Pokémon,"

By which the article presumably means vulpine; canine refers to dogs but Zoroa and Zoroark are/will be fox Pokémon. Smithers888 04:10, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Foxes are canine. Ish. TTEchidna 00:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canidae - Canini and Vulpini are separate members of Canidae --Grinnz 18:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I had something but might as well just ask. Aren't dogs actually Lupine, if we're going Vulpine for foxes.--Dman dustin 19:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

isnt lupine for wolves Iirc (Ataro 19:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC))

Dogs are in the same family as wolves. Canis Lupus, the dog is only further distinguished by Canis Lupis familiaris. But even still Canine could refer to Canidae which is what Foxes/Dogs/wolves are in. The only difference is Foxes are further classified as "Vulpine" and if we follow suit, dogs/wolves would be Lupine not Canine. And it did say some foxes (while not true foxes) could still be under the Canis Genus if that's where the Canine name comes from. But again while Canine might refer to dogs specifically, isn't that more of a general consensus, rather than a scientific consensus? I'm going scientific here, if people want to be so correct with the whole Vulpine/Canine argument. -Dman dustin 19:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Who cares, really. That section'll be gone by the end of the year. TTEchidna 19:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Older PCs

Apparently, artwork shown in Coro Coro comics indicates that the Player characters aren't kids like previous generations, but are a bit older and appear to be young adults. Drake Clawfang 14:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

well heres the pics

I have a corocoro scan of the player characters.....

File:User373931 pic151409 1273683476.png

here they are

(Ataro 18:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC))

The scan is from Pokebeach. I think we'd prefer it if it was your own scan. —♥ Jello 18:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, the beach is our buddy, too. TTEchidna 19:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

New Pokémon?

I found this online. It has the Pokémon Sunday picture in the corner. Does anybody know if this is the real deal or a scam? DarthMartian7 19:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

bleh...looks fake (Ataro 19:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC))

Old and fake. (btw: the text on the bottom says "the Pokemon that grasps the key to the Ruler of Illusions: Z!") 梅子^❀_✿ 19:28, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Fail. TTEchidna 19:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)