Talk:Fly (move)

My Honchkrow in Diamond has been hurt while Flown Up High by wild Machokes' Submission and Cross Chop moves... Does anybody know why? I might be missing something simple here. Punkrockrevel 22:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Most likely No Guard. --Johans 22:40, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured out it'd be an ability shortly after posting this, but couldn't be bothered to get back online. I blush, I do. Thanks. Punkrockrevel 05:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Anime

In the anime I have deducted that any flying type can fly, but must learn the actual move to fly fast enough into the enemy to cause damage, faster than a tackled attack. --Dark Lord Revan 05:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe the difference begins with this move's Japanese name not meaning just "fly". --Johans 05:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

But dealing with the English version, I don't think any Pokémon in flight is using 'Fly'. I had the impression uses of the move were about carrying trainers, like Pidgeot in Pallet Party Panic. -Damien Nightstar 11:57, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Has anyone ever given their Pokémon an attack order to use Fly? Answering that might help to clear things up a bit. --Teradyne 00:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

No one has ever commanded a Pokemon to use the move fly in the Anime. I think the pictures should be taken down. Pelipper Rocks 06:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Charizard learned it. And anime not Anime. ►Ҝəυzø8 06:51, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

If he never used it as an attack (that is, having been given an attack order of "Use Fly", or another similar order), then I would have a hard time believing that Fly was used. The ONLY time that I would believe to be a canon use of the attack would be in Movie 3, during the battle at the beginning. Ash's Noctowl looked as if it may have used Fly when flying up to attack Aipom. However, it's hard to tell without hearing Ash give the actual command. --Teradyne 16:41, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Why do so many people have such difficulty understanding that the act of flying and the actual move fly are two different things? Pelipper Rocks 04:50, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Who knows. However, after watching the battle again, it's more likely that Noctowl was using Take Down, and not Fly. Is anyone absolutely sure that Fly has been used in the anime and movies? If not, I vote that we remove the information, or reword the section to say that the instances are not fully confirmed.--Teradyne 19:08, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I cannot find a single occurrence when the trainer specifically said "Use Fly". Therefore, I agree that the 'In the anime' section should be deleted. --Theryguy512 22:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I have seen every episode of the show. Even the banned ones, except for Shaking Island Battle: Barboach vs. Wiscash. Anyways, the MOVE fly has never been used, and therefore I think that the pictures should be removed. Especially since the episode which the picture is from doesn't say that the pokemon is USING fly. - unsigned comment from Pelipper Rocks (talk • contribs)

The anime pictures.

It would be useful if somebody would clarify which episodes the pictures are from. Just saying... TheBlazikenMaster 01:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Well below the pics, we say when the Pokémon first used the move. And this is the same for all moves, so if you want to change it, bring it up on the move dex project's talk page. --Theryguy512 11:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

That's exactly the problem, I don't know from what episode Image:Fly anime.jpg is from. TheBlazikenMaster 15:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

It says under the explanation of when they used the move. It was in DP013. In the pic, it says many flying-types. Just match that up with the explanation that says Many Flying-type Pokémon. --Theryguy512 23:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm very sorry about not noticing, my dumb mistakes. TheBlazikenMaster 18:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Gen I?

what about Flying Pikachu? hfc2X 04:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Required Badges

Would it be feasible to list which badges are required in order to use Fly outside of battle to move around each game's respective regions? --Lord Kelvin 06:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Really?

Zubat and Golbat can learn Fly in Generation IV? Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 02:46, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

As an HM, yes. Bulbapedian 02:47, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Including in Diamond and Pearl? Or just in Platinum? Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 18:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Thunder in Gen I

Thunder was unable to hit mid-Fly Pokémon until Gen II, that's why I changed it. Dragoness 08:47, 4 December 2008 (UTC)Dragoness

Well, I want to know how many times you tried. Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links 16:22, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

*cough*

I'm probably going to get yelled at for even suggesting this, but this this image constitute the move Fly in the anime??? --Theryguy512 18:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

No. Flying and using the move fly are two different things. Pelipper Rocks 23:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

You kinda need proof of that. What if the producers of the anime say that every Pokémon seen flying is actually using the move Fly? We can't go on your word alone. ~ overgrown_sol 23:43, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I HAVE AN IDEA!!! I'm going to submit this arguement to Pokemon.com, and hopefully they'll respond on the website. (You know that Phione controversy on the website when they changed their answer? ([1]) I sent that question in.) --Theryguy512 23:45, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

what phione contreversy? - unsigned comment from Lambie (talk • contribs)

Smeargle

Should Smeargle's move Sketch be included here because it can use Fly outside of battle after it is learned? Just a random question, no need to yell at me if it shouldn't.--Tom 17:55, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Flying Pikachu

Shouldn't Pikachu be added to the list of Pokémon able to learn Fly be added to this list, as it is possible to catch a Pikachu knowing the move in the Yellow Forest PokéWalker course (obviously it would need to be added under special)?Watchermark 22:16, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Delibird

Well, i'm updating the anime section, and i think i'm going to get rid of delibird and heracross, especially Delibrid. In the picture, Delibird is just flying, not carrying anyone on its back. I wrote in the Surf anime section a while ago and it got deleted, the person saying that all Pokemon that can swim can learn surf, but accoring to the Delibird pic, that means all Pokemon with wings can learn Fly, which is untrue. So, i'm going to delete it, if you want you can put it back up, but I'm going to get rid of it. (and Heracross too, because Heracross can't learn it). Littlmiget123 14:39, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I also got rid of Garchomp 2, since it can't learn it. Sorry people! Littlmiget123 14:39, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

HootHoot

I just went to Falkner's article and it says his HootHoot used Fly in the episode, but it doesn't say that in the fly article. I haven't seen the episode so im not sure if it really did use fly. - unsigned comment from Lambie (talk • contribs)

It never uses fly, I've seen the episode. Littlmiget123 13:13, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh My Arceus!!

What in the world is up with the bottom of this page? --Landfish⁷ 13:42, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think Arceus is a Bug type. Bladecutter 17:23, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

It's called Arceus type. Arceus's type changes every day to a random type. Littlmiget123 00:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Every second, actually. TTEchidna 00:47, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Replacement header image

Transparencies fixed!

http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/picture.php?albumid=2973&pictureid=32993

http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/picture.php?albumid=2973&pictureid=32994

How about these? --Turtwig Lover 09:22, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Charizard

We can't be inconsistent. Either Ash's Charizard and Charla need to be removed from this page, or Fly needs to be added to their pages. Kenji-girl has removed it from Charizard's page before. --SnorlaxMonster 13:54, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Outside Of Battle image

I think the page would look cleaner if the outside of battle image was moved to the infobox, istead of just floating around on the page and making it look untidy. This should also be done for other moves with out of battle images. Vuvuzela2010 Δ 11:55, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Could I get at least get a reply please? There's been 4 edits to this section, yet no-ones bothered replying. Sorry if this comes across as being rude, it's not supposed to be. Vuvuzela2010 Δ 15:43, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, I have nothing against it.電禅Den Zen 15:46, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

I actually support this idea (for Fly and the pictures/animations that exist for other moves usable outside of battle), because nearly every other image associated with a move (mainly, anime and manga usages; and past-generation game depictions) is located in a gallery specifically reserved for that type of image, making the "outside of battle" example images look somewhat out of place in comparison. In my opinion, moving such images to the infobox would help articles appear to be arranged better. Fenyx4 09:13, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

This looks like a fantastic idea, I think we should do this for all moves that have an effect out of battle. I would also suggest that those like Headbutt, Dive, Defog etc should be added to the previous generations thingo at the bottom, rather than spaced throughout the article. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:23, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I think this is a good idea. Seems like a good place for it. --SnorlaxMonster 10:50, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Pokémon Adventures

Cyrus's Magnezone used Fly or Magnet Rise? Cynthia's Garchomp is really "flying through the skies" as the text in this page states or only running, with Dragon Rush or something? These are allowed in the table while a Pikachu flying with balloons (what's considered "Fly" by the TCG and game art) is not? |) u |( e ® 22:32, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Magnet Rise is a completely different move. It allows a Pokemon to levitate over Ground-type attacks. The manga usually stays true to the games move-wise, so when a Trainer is flying on a Pokemon's back, it's usually Fly. ...um, running? There have been several parts where Garchomp is flying... when its fighting Cyrus in Celestic Town, in Veilstone City, and on Spear Pillar to name three off the top of my head. Littlmiget123 02:35, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Capture

Is it worth noting that (in Emerald at least), Poké balls can be successfully thrown at wild Pokémon in the semi-invulnerable turn of Fly? I tried to catch Rayquaza several times in this way but it broke free of the Ball. Also, this is slightly off-topic, but I have confirmed that in Pearl and White, the semi-invulnerable stage of Shadow Force and Dig prevents capture. —Team Magma Zangoose ⚡ 02:19, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

This is noted on Poké Ball#Poké Ball accuracy. I think it would be appropriate to add it to all pages about moves with a semi-invulnerable turn. --SnorlaxMonster 08:45, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Chuchu

While on Chuchu's page, it said that it knows fly. Should Chuchu go under the Manga section, or do we not count it because she's not really flying, just using balloons. If the latter is the case, then we will have to remove Fly from Chuchu's page. Iml908 (talk) 21:07, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Here's the thing:

1. First of all, we don't base an article on another article, one does not have to agree with the other, except for layout in some cases.
2. The move Fly has been used by the Flying Pikachu in the TCG and depicted as a Pikachu wrapped by strings with floating balloons. A Pikachu with Fly could also be found in the Pokéwalker Area Yellow Forest, whose artwork had exactly the same situation. However, for some reason, Bulbapedia staff does not believe that a move is legitimate if it needs an object that does not belong to the Pokémon (even with examples like Genesect's Drives and Rotom's home appliances).

So, the only thing we can do here so far is to leave this information in the Trivia section, and try to make productive edits in other articles. |) u |( e ® 23:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Forced learning

I'm getting reports that the information put in the generation VI section is false, and that you can refuse to learn it. Anyone able to try this? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 02:34, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Y

Just noticed that Charizard has "Y" as alt text in the chart for Pokémon that can learn Fly via HM (indicating that it can learn Fly in Yellow, but not Red/Blue/Green). The meaning of that tag has become a lot more ambiguous, now that there is a "Pokémon Y" as well as a "Mega Charizard Y". It's probably simple enough to change the alt text, but I wanted to bring this to someone's attention in case this problem exists elsewhere on the wiki as well. --Andy^P_K^M_N (talk) 17:08, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Removing a Notification

This Edit removes a notification template, suggesting that it is complete, despite there still being holes (such as Lugia and Ho-oh). Would it be alright for it to be reverted? or was it removed for a reason? Tacopill (talk) 00:42, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

reverted, sorry about that --StatelessDrake (talk) 01:00, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Not a problem :) Tacopill (talk) 01:53, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

"spots they've been to"

What exactly does that mean for towns? Does it require the player to heal? Does it require them to enter the Pokécenter? Or does it just require them to enter the region of the town? Nixitur (talk) 22:45, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

In towns, it usually just brings you to the Pokémon Center, as long as you've healed there. In your hometown, it just brings you to your house. At least, I think that's how it works. - Pringles 00:23, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

That's great and all, but completely unrelated to what I asked. I was asking what the requirements were to being able to fly to a specific place. Nixitur (talk) 23:30, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Pringles partially answered: ". . .as long as you've healed there." However, I was always under the impression that you merely had to step within the boundaries of the town. --Wynd Fox 23:52, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

You just have to enter the town/city.--ForceFire 03:01, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

There are some exceptions, like B/W's Opelucid City where you need to hear Plasma's speech and you can't Fly to the Center. I'm also curious about if you can Fly to Ever Grande City since the boundaries are just outside the waterfall.--Flametix (talk) 13:06, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Evergrande City is also the exception. I believe you have to climb the waterfall before you can actually fly there. --ForceFire 13:16, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not sure about the specific requirements, but I tried back in Emerald, and I couldn't Fly there before climbing it. --SnorlaxMonster 13:22, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Would the best way to define the requirements be something along the line of the following? "The player can fly to a location provided that the player has reached a point in the location where they no longer need a HM or TM to reach the building and all events inbetween the player and the building have already been activated." --Super goku (talk) 06:31, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Incorrect Trivia

"Out of all moves that have been HMs in all six generations, Fly is the only one that some Pokémon can learn by leveling up. (Though the move Waterfall also existed in all generations and some Pokémon can learn it via leveling up, it was not an HM until Generation II.)"

This is incorrect, as Seel can learn Dive in generation 5 by levelup. - unsigned comment from Ztc0611 (talk • contribs)

"in all six generations." Even if you said "in all generations since it existed", Dive was not an HM in Gen IV. Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:28, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Gen VII Fly locations

Since it isn't just "all Pokémon Centers plus one or two others" like it always was prior to Gen VI, I thought I'd make up a list of fly locations like we have for ORAS. Right now, it's here, and I'd appreciate input. Feel free to edit, too; I'm well aware it doesn't look very good. Xolroc (talk) 18:17, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

My main problem is that it isn't even Fly, the move. I see several options:

1. Include here regardless
2. Include at Poké Ride
3. Create Charizard Glide, add there
4. Create List of landing locations (or similar), include what's currently here and what you created there (and keep Soaring in the sky in mind)

I'm not really sure what is best, but I think it isn't Option 1. Anyway, I think it's definitely useful. Nescientist (talk) 23:44, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Including it here is likely not the best, but whatever we do it should probably be linked to from here, as Charizard Glide does serve exactly the same purpose as Fly did in previous games. Xolroc (talk) 23:51, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

I should also note, I think that the List of landing locations page is probably the best of those options. It would cover previous games as well, and we could take some of the tables out of this page, linking to that one instead. Xolroc (talk) 23:52, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

I think we could make a "flight" article, and include lists of all Fly, Soaring, and Charizard Glide locations (including specific landing positions) and their unlock conditions. I have a list of the unlock conditions for every flight location in SM that I've been compiling while playing the game, and I already added the ORAS flight conditions I collected to this page. --SnorlaxMonster 02:17, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea. If you'd like, go ahead and add those unlock conditions to the table linked up above, or here if you prefer--that would be useful information to have on it. Xolroc (talk) 03:04, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

I just made User:SnorlaxMonster/Flight, which has all of the requirements to Fly to each location. There are a few option locations near the start of the game (such as Ten Carat Hill) which might also have requirements, but I didn't keep track of them. --SnorlaxMonster 10:19, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Lock On/Mind Reader oddity in GSC

While Lock On/Mind Reader will generally cause moves to bypass Fly (and Dig) in GSC, there are some oddities:

• Earthquake/Fissure/Magnitude will still not hit through Fly (however the reverse doesn't apply -- Gust/Twister/etc will still hit underground foes)
• Status moves that bypass accuracy checks but not Fly/Dig will still miss even when Lock On/Mind Reader is active (Mimic, Mean Look, Curse used by a Ghost, Foresight, Attract, Nightmare, Transform)
• Moves that reduce a foe's stat will not do so if the foe is flying/digging. For moves that has this as primary effect, the move will simply fail and for moves which does this as a secondary effect, the move will just not lower the stat.

Is this worth addressing? The EQ/Fissure/Magnitude thing probably should be mentioned IMO, the latter is almost certainly a glitch, and I'm not sure if this is the right place for that. --FIQ (talk) 11:20, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

In addition:

• OHKO moves' accuracy is unaffected by Lock On/Mind Reader (and/but will still always fail if the target is semi-invulnerable, with the exception of Fissure+Dig)

I believe all of this is potentially notable. Maybe the issue is, when did these effects change (if at all)? We would need to note that, too. Nescientist (talk) 17:59, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

When I look through the OHKO battle script in GSC, Lock On's behaviour doesn't seem to change for OHKO moves? For whatever reason, it calls CheckHit from OHKO directly rather than as an ordinary battle script command after OHKO has done its thing (the OHKO command is for adjusting accuracy scaled on level and to prevent it from proccing if user level>target level and for setting damage to 65535), but CheckHit itself has no special handling for OHKO moves from what I can see (besides Fissure as mentioned).

I don't know when/how the effects have changed. I haven't looked into RBY's code much because it's a mess (surprise!), and ADV isn't fully reverse-engineered to the point where things like this is easy to check.

I also addressed a typo in my previous comment -- replaced Mind Reader/Lock On in the list of affected moves with Mean Look, but it should be correct now. --FIQ (talk) 18:15, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

I have now added a note on Magnitude/EQ/Fissure. I assume the effect was removed in III, but I don't know so I put a MoveResearch template as a result (I cannot test this myself at present). --FIQ (talk) 18:24, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

(conflicted)Yes, the OHKO routine apparently does all the "accuracy" checks itself, and then calls checkHit with perfect accuracy $ff (for Dig etc. interactions, I believe).

If nothing else, we could just test. Nescientist (talk) 18:27, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

One of us is misreading the source, because that's not what I'm reading. I decided to comment the code for easier readability: http://sprunge.us/ieDb -- am I reading something wrong here? But yeah, we could just test I guess. --FIQ (talk) 18:50, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

If you want to continue this tangent in particular, maybe we should take it over to the Lock On/Mind Reader article discussion or PM since this doesn't really concern Fly. --FIQ (talk) 19:01, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

I think these interactions are interesting and worth noting on the page, but it's also worth making sure they also apply in Stadium 2. --SnorlaxMonster 06:51, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh, that one certainly was me, I think I mixed up labels or something. What I didn't know or think of is that OHKOs still fail if user's level < target's regardless of Lock On (but I could've guessed that they would have to, and our pages/wording do actually imply that). We can drop that tangent, I guess. Nescientist (talk) 18:48, 3 March 2017 (UTC)