User talk:Kenji-girl/Archive 23

Attention: Before you post

Since this has happened repeatedly, here is a list of Pokémon belonging to rivals/recurring in the anime that I wish you would not ask me about making them in your userspace. These Pokémon did have articles before but the Editorial Board agreed upon them being merged into the Trainer's article. Here is the list:

• Gary's Nidoking
• Gary's Nidoqueen
• Drew's Flygon
• Drew's Masquerain
• Drew's Absol
• Drew's Butterfree
• Harley's Banette
• Harley's Ariados
• Harley's Octillery
• Harley's Wigglytuff
• Paul's Azumarill
• Paul's Stantler
• Paul's Weavile
• Paul's Gliscor
• Paul's Ninjask
• Paul's Drapion
• Barry's Heracross
• Zoey's Mismagius
• Nando's Sunflora
• Kenny's Alakazam
• Kenny's Breloom
• Ursula's Plusle and Minun
• Casey's Elekid
• Happy - Ritchie's Butterfree
• Cruise - Ritchie's Pupitar
• Rose - Ritchie's Taillow
• Volkner's Raichu
• Volkner's Luxray

There are more than this, but most of the others were Gym Leader/Elite Four/Frontier Brain Pokémon and I have yet to be asked about recreating them.

If you would be so kind, try to avoid asking about these Pokémon. The main reason being the obvious one: they were already here and deemed unnotable. The second is about history preservation for the articles that were redirected and not deleted before then. If the decisions were to ever be overturned, the redirects that exist now can be reverted back to the way the were and history will be preserved. Moving a userspace article over the redirect will erase all the history from before. I recommend saving your work on an external program for use at a later time or write what ever information you have into the Trainer article itself. Thank you for understanding. --ケンジのガール

Georgia's Beartic

As it is confirmed to have a big role in BW081, could I ask your permission to recreate my user page for Beartic ready for mainspacing at the end of May (It's notabilaty, I think, is definatley on par with Luke's Zorua and Stephan's Sawk) Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 18:07, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

We should wait until after BW081 airs to see how big of a role it is. --ケンジのガール 18:10, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I though so, will do. I have another question though, on Pokemon pages like Ash's Leavanny, should we put extra subheadings e.g. As a Sewaddle, As a Swadloon, As a Leavanny? Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 18:17, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Opps, subbheadings within History is what I mean Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 18:25, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it's needed. --ケンジのガール 18:32, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

I was just thinking that it wouldn't work anyway on page like Ash's Infernape with the With Paul and With Ash headings Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 18:35, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Teams

Shouldn't each villainous Team have a section with the Pokémon they've used ? (at least the most frequently)----DJWolfy 20:23, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

They already have Pokémon they've used on their designated pages. Using Team Galactic as an example; Pokémon are listed at Saturn, Mars, Jupiter, and the grunts' pages. --ケンジのガール 21:03, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh right... didn't think about that. Thanks !----DJWolfy 21:07, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Ash's Leavanny

Could be unprotected. [[User:KyleRGiggs|Ray]][[User talk:KyleRGiggs|mond]] 16:53, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Done, thanks for the reminder. ♫♪ エイディニズ ♪♫ 17:02, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Battle round --> Contest battle

Hello Kenji, I wanted a second opinion about something. A user recently moved Battle round to Contest battle. Do you agree with this? My only issue with the move is that the consistency between the rest of the Contest pages it is grouped with (ie. Appeals round, Dance round, Visual round) is lost. What do you think? --Pokemaster97 20:39, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Since they failed to start a discussion on the matter and didn't even bother to change the links, it should be moved back. They didn't even at least put a reason in the edit summary box which isn't a good thing either. --ケンジのガール 22:58, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'll go move it back then. Thanks. --Pokemaster97 23:02, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

The reason is the article itself. The content of the article pretty much explain the change, that's why I did not give a reason. The lost of consistency between the pages it is grouped with is not a good reason to revert the article's title. --Mikuri 02:13, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

You should always give reasons to why you move articles and preferably discuss it first. Even if you feel your move is self-explanatory in the article content. You should also relink anything that the page is linked on.

Was it ever called a Contest battle in the English dub? I can't recall what the dub name was personally. --ケンジのガール 02:20, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't know. I live in Brazil. --Mikuri 02:23, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Since we are an English wiki, it's important to be sure of what the English name is. I'll look into this. --ケンジのガール 02:33, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Battle round is not a good name. The battles in Contests are very different from the 'normal' battles. Besides, there are several episodes with "Contest battle" in their names in Japan, and no one with "battle round" in the dub. The consistency is not a problem, even because the other Contest rounds are with the wrong names (according to the games, the right names are Visual Competition, Dance Competition and Acting Competition). --Mikuri 02:36, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

To be fair, prior to Best Wishes, all the dub did was make some joke of the title. It's not surprising that Battle Round would not be in it. And I'm not sure what point you are trying to make by bringing up the super contest rounds from the games. --ケンジのガール 02:54, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

My point is, Pokemaster97's only issue with the change in the article's name is the consistency of the group of rounds, and this is not a problem, as the other rounds are with the wrong names and should be changed to the correct names. - unsigned comment from Mikuri (talk • contribs)

What rounds have incorrect names? --ケンジのガール 03:09, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Appeals round, Visual round and Dance round, they are called Acting Competition, Visual Competitiond and Dance Competition, respectively, in the games. --Mikuri 03:18, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, yes. I see now. I was looking over here and couldn't figure out that you meant the table. That table is a bit confusing to begin with and should be changed up.

Also, I found out that it is called Contest battle in the English dub as well so it is being moved back. --ケンジのガール 03:22, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

I was not aware that those articles were named incorrectly so thank you for pointing that out. There was some confusion because of the way the articles were named. I have moved "Battle round" back to "Contest battle". --Pokemaster97 03:25, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! --Mikuri 03:36, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Nevertheless, remember to discuss a page move on its talk page before doing it. - poikins 05:56, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Venusaur's back sprites

I can tell that the FRLG sprites are different, somehow, but how are the HGSS sprites different? They seem the same as all the Generation IV back sprites. Pringles 04:26, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

The ears are a bit different. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 04:44, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Question

In EP070, Meowth reveals how he met Jessie and James. But at that time Jessie had an Arbok and James had a Weezing. However, in the first episode that the Team Rocket trio is seen, they have an Ekans and a Koffing. I think this is clearly an error, right? --Station7 18:31, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like an error. --ケンジのガール 18:49, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Having watched this episode quite a few times in the past week, I think you've got the present and past mixed up. Meowth doesn't flash back to when he met Jessie and james; whe nthey burst in and save him from the gang of Meowth, it's in the present day. Meowth walked off while they were in the theater and they came looking for him (which is why he's wearing his coat in that scene, which he only wears in the present). --SnorlaxMonster 10:46, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

You're right. Sorry about that. --Station7 14:41, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Gender

In the case of Pokémon with the confirmed gender in the dub, shouldn't their gender be listed as Male/Female rather than Unknown? Since we focus on the english dub, the first variant would be much better.----DJWolfy 21:53, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

This has been discussed before and it is better to go by the original in this case. --ケンジのガール 22:12, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Hm, fantasies and flashbacks do count as debuts right ? Because Dialga and Palkia appeared normally in a fantasy in DP036. They weren't just silhouettes. They even made sounds. That would mean they made their anime debuts in that episode right ?----DJWolfy 23:12, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

According to this, they do. --ケンジのガール 23:24, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Well someone seems to mess up with the debuts or at least messed up before. I'm gonna correct it.----DJWolfy 23:44, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Love Triangle

Hey, Kenji-girl. I was wondering if you create a shipping page about Stephan and Bianca and you put that in the Donamite there was a love triangle between Bianca, Stephan and Masaomi. Do you think it's possible anyway? TheSeviper ♫ハブネーク♫ 14:59, 01 May 2012 (GMT)

Aside from BrocketShipping, which kinda isn't a triangle I guess, we don't seem to make love triangle shipping pages on this site. It's something that you should talk to ArcToraphim about. --ケンジのガール 18:10, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

EP040 unaired, Winter Special 1998 and New Year Special 1999

Hi, I'd like your help because people keep redirecting and reverting pages I created towards the wrong article. The page I created deals with a special two-hour installment of Pokémon aired on Jan 1 1999 as seen here: http://pokeani.s47.xrea.com/s-title/subtitle-special.html and http://www.tsutaya.co.jp/works/10012237.html for some reason, people keep redirecting it to an unrelated yet similarly titled unaired 30-minute episode from 1997 and I'd like it to stop, thanks a lot in advance.

If you could also undelete the Winter special page as linked on the clip show page, I'd be grateful too.--Whadaheck 17:07, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I've looked it over and, just my opinion, these clip shows seem pretty unnotable and are not actual episodes. AG120, DP048, and DP120 differ as they aired during normal broadcast and were treated like episodes. They seem similar to Pokémon Smash! episodes which we do not create articles for. This is just based on what I saw in the links. --ケンジのガール 02:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Just throwing this out there, but EP040 (unaired) is one of these clip shows. So if they are decided to be unnotable (a decision I completely understand), it should be deleted too. --SnorlaxMonster 13:28, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh.. I thought that was aired in the regular line up. If it didn't it shouldn't have EP in it at least. --ケンジのガール 19:21, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

If it was a clip show (which is very likely but probably won't ever be confirmed), then EP040 was like AG120, DP048, and DP120 considering it should have aired for half an hour in the regular time slot. And considering we do have one page for Pocket Monsters Encore, Pokémon Smash and the likes, we could have one page for these clip shows. Either way, if the New Year Special page isn't redirecting to the clip show, why not go ahead and delete it altogether?Whadaheck 10:11, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually, it was scheduled to air on New Years day which fell on a Wednesday, unlike Tuesday when the anime did air before the whole EP038 incident. And we do have a page for the clip shows and I do not mind them being there. EP040 will be taken care of soon. --ケンジのガール 04:39, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Was it? I thik it was planned onthe title is It's New Year's Eve Pocket Monsters Encore, right? Cause that'd make it a Tuesday.--Whadaheck 20:12, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Confusion

As I'm adding missing appearances of Pokémon from the movies, I keep tripping over that annoying green background of the Pokémon World which only forces Pokéys to appear. I'm not quite convinced they should be counted as appearances much less as debuts. Could you take a look at it to see what I'm talking about?----DJWolfy 13:27, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

What movie are you talking about? What is the green background? --ケンジのガール 19:21, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, Jo deleted the link. I'm talking about M07, and the green background at the begining of the movie where some Pokémon are shown such as Registeel, Gardevoir.. and it is marked as their debuts, althought it isn't some kind of physical appearance, more like a forced one. If you by any means can watch the movie.. then you'll understand.----DJWolfy 20:18, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Well they're in movement so I don't see why they are any different from all the debuts made in M14. Just because they are not in a natural setting shouldn't change the debut status. --ケンジのガール 20:31, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Not that kind of movement... I mean not like the others who are on a real terrain and such. The debuts made in M14 are Pokémon in their natural habitat, they move freely and such, while these ones, they just appear, much like photos...----DJWolfy 20:34, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Like I said, it shouldn't matter that they aren't in a natural setting. They are not still photos. They move. --ケンジのガール 20:39, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Ok then, in conclusion they count as debuts. So the only ones which don't count as debuts are photos, statues and silhouettes ? And statues don't count as appearances too right ? But silhouettes count as appearances but not as debuts ?----DJWolfy 20:42, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... Silhouettes? Yeah. I guess appearance but not debut. --ケンジのガール 20:46, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Got it and fixed it. I always thought, shouldn't there be a manual of style for the anime ? It sure would help a lot.----DJWolfy 20:48, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

It's in the works. --ケンジのガール 20:52, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

How long will it take till it's "released" ? ----DJWolfy 20:57, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Not sure. --ケンジのガール 22:02, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Major Events Noted (BW079)

Although they are not noted until after it airs, can it be marked as hidden? 태권도 합기도 01:31, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes. It was already stated on BW079 anyway. --ケンジのガール 01:34, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Pokémon Smash! ending theme

Since we have pages on the ending themes of Hōsō and Sunday, should we have pages for ending themes of Smash (such as "Endless Fighter" and "I am a Hero")? --超龍_「對話」 04:56, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, if we have Sunday's ending themes. --ケンジのガール 06:55, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Question regarding trivia

Hi. I'm just curious. Why is comparison trivia not allowed? --PKMNAdventurer 22:55, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Because similarities are a relatively common thing in the anime especially with Pokémon. The writers aren't always going to think of fresh material with every Pokémon's story. It's not something that needs to be pointed out. What ever comparisons people want to draw it should be on their own and not noted upon on Bulbapedia. Also they can be opinionated at times. --ケンジのガール 23:03, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Movie 15 Pokemon

I was wondering if i could make he movie 15 pokemon since the pages for reshiram and zekrom came about two months before movie 14 and they had information from trailers. User:davidader 22:56, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

The pages for Reshiram and Zekrom were made the day after the movie premiered, not months before. Also, when you add a message to the talk pages, please make sure you put it on the bottom. --ケンジのガール 06:01, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

BW007

Is the Japanese name for this episode written correctly? I thought it was originally "Get Snivy with Attract?!". The title on the episode itself says the same thing. 태권도 합기도 09:15, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Rematch

This came up on the staff chat due to someone suggesting we add Chili's rematch with Ash in BW058 on the talk page. We were thinking that only official matches for a Badge or Symbol should be on there, otherwise we'll end up with a huge list of rival battles on there too. Even if we limit it to matches with Gym Leaders and Frontier Brains, matches with Misty, Brock, Cilan, and Team Rocket would still make it huge. So should we remove Wattson and Gardenia from the page? --SnorlaxMonster 13:23, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm confused by the question. What page are we talking about the rematch being added? --ケンジのガール 23:51, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

This page. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 00:29, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Well I think it should be left to battles between Gym Leaders/Frontier Brains and Ash as that's what it appears to be for anyway. Ash's friends who are Gym Leaders and Team Rocket should obviously be excluded as should rivals. Just my opinion. But I guess I wouldn't have a problem with removing unofficial matches if it really is necessary to remove it. If we did though we'd also have to remove the ones where he fought them unofficially first then officially the next like Norman. Though I might add that he fought Gardenia three times and the third isn't on there. --ケンジのガール 01:06, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Norman was official though, as I remember it. But Wattson, and the first Brandon match should be taken off. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 01:34, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Question about BW079

I know this is not the same as Pokémon Wiki, but I have a question. It's not a spoiler and I haven't find it anywhere so far on the Internet, so here is my question (which I actually hoped for). Since BW079 is coming, I have a theory about this episode, and my question is, if I can put this theory on my userpage? If not, I understand it. --Station7 18:52, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

If it's on your userpage it's fine. --ケンジのガール 23:51, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:Episode staff directory

What do you think about this template? Can we replace that template with this? Pokégeek 16:01, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

I personally see nothing wrong with the one we have. --ケンジのガール 22:56, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Pokémon Diamond

I'm not sure if you have Pokémon Diamond (and I never played the game, but will do so), but can you fight with the old Gym leaders from Generation I, II and III? Can you also caught there old Pokémon? --Station7 20:54, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

This is something you should go to the forums for. Bulbapedia is only to be used for article discussions, not game advice. --ケンジのガール 22:56, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Cynthia(anime)

I want to know, that page about Cynthia (which was deleted U_U ) still exists on the server somehow? If I recall you're told me that the only reason she could not have one was because she had not appeared in another series in addition to Diamond and Pearl. And now she is set to appear in Best Wishes.--Hikaru Wazana 08:16, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Just because she returns for maybe a couple episodes doesn't mean she should have an article to herself. If it can perfectly fit int he article we have there is no point to it. --ケンジのガール 22:56, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Why not? It is an important character in the anime, has connections with Ash, Paul, Dawn and Team Galactic (and possibly now with Iris), and a more elaborate story as well many characters from the anime. She did more for anime that characters like Stephan, Burgundy or Langley. In addition, many of the key characters in Adventures in similar situations has its own exclusive pages as Wally, Bill, Cheren and others. Outside, I'm sorry they sincerity, but the main page it is a mess and with the division at least improve the situation. Well, never mind, do not touch more on this subject.--Hikaru Wazana 19:16, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Please don't compare Cynthia to rival characters. She's a completely different class of character. Rivals appear way more often than she does and many of them. So far she's only a recurring supporting character in the same league Lance as far as I'm concerned. She's a different situation than say Professor Oak and Giovanni who appeared more often with important roles and in every series so far. For Adventures, besides Bianca and Cheren because they are rivals, I don't know enough about it to make a judgement but just because they got split does not me the anime has to follow their protocol. And I don't see how Cynthia's page is a "mess" without the division. Not every page needs to be divided over a few main appearances in the anime.

I've made my decision for now. Unless I see a real reason why Cynthia should get a page other than she will appear in Best Wishes, her anime information is fine where it is. --ケンジのガール 04:33, 14 May 2012 (UTC)