Talk:Zekrom (Pokémon)

Finally!

Yes, it finally got created. So no Pokémon Sunday? Pokemonemerfan1954 00:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

No, there wasn't any new information on Pokémon Sunday. —♥ Jel lo 00:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Dragon-type?

How do you guys know they're Dragon-types? None of the information I read specifically said so. - Nick15 00:11, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

It has been confrmed on Pokémon Daisuki Club as being atleast a Dragon-type. All this information was made sure to be confirmed before being added, so don't worry. —♥ Jel lo 00:15, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

OK just making sure it's not all speculation; I mean, just because it's in the article doesn't mean it was researched, or that someone didn't just throw in their piece of speculation. ;) - Nick15 00:25, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Have they been confirmed as being solely Dragon-type, though? If not, it seems a bit misleading to put that there, in my opinion. --Bdoing 01:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

That we aren't sure of though. It could be purely a Dragon-type or a dual type, for which the second type is clearly unknown as of yet. But for the type that we do know, I don't see any harm in it being there until more information is revealed. —♥ Jel lo 01:24, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

imo it's not 100% confirmed that they are dragon-types - Daisuki Club said that they are dragons, not that they are definitely dragon-type. But that's just how I see it I guess :V 梅子 ^❀_✿ 01:43, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree with the Dragon thing. They may of said they were "Dragons" but that's not a 100% sure thing that they are really Dragon types. If you look at past Pokémon, there are some that are considered dragons but don't have the Dragon type. Charizard, Aerodactyl, Gyarados, Sceptile etc. - Ninterror 02:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Taking "Legendary Dragon Pokemon" to mean that they're dragon-type, despite that not being confirmed, seems to me like jumping the gun. That, and it seems very misleading to treat them as a pure-type just because you don't know its other type. Even a Dragon/??? type would be clearer than that. Plasma 09:44, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Well now they are confirmed that they are Dragon types, so yea... Ninterror 11:50, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

But it has never been said they are dual types, even though they might. For now, this is all we have.--KurowaSan 12:24, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Part of being a Pokémon encyclopedia is reporting what we know. We know that they're Dragon-type. We don't know anything else about their types. That's why it says Dragon and nothing else (not even a ???). —darklordtrom 12:49, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Not counting Daisuke Club, where was it confirmed? Forgive me if I'm slow. Mudkipchan 06:31, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Dragon/Electric type!

Ok, so the host of Pokemon Sunday accidentally posted on her blog that Zekrom was Dragon/Electric, and then shortly after she deleted it because of obvious reasons. Here is the proof.. . I Don't know if you need more proof, but that really is proof in itself really. --S2daam 10:29, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Can someone translate for those of us that don't know Japanese please?--Pokélova! 10:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Wow. My guesses of Dragon/Dark and Dragon/Steel were way off. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 11:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Keep the forum chat in the forums thanks. Japanese translation is welcome here, but comments along the lines of the one directly above mine shouldn't be here. —darklordtrom 11:42, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Did she identify Zekrom as a Dragon/Electric? If she didn't, it might as well be Electric/Dragon instead. The order of the types is important for the page. - Taylor 12:44, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The only thing I see is a pun with "Here is the proof" and linking to a picture of Proof. I'm not seeing any mention of Zekrom, but I might just be half asleep and not noticing anything. ▫▫ティナ^♫★ 14:41, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I couldn't see Zekrom's name either, but I wasn't sure. I guess it's not about Zekrom after all.--Pokélova! 15:01, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't jump the gun yet though, as there is the possibility of the "electric" thing being a mistake on the writers part or even a mistranslation (though I highly doubt). Ninterror 15:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain that the screenshot is of the page after she edited it. Regardless, from what translations I've seen of it, she only says it's "related to electric type pokemon", which does not guarantee it's an Electric type. Lugia is related to the water type, yet it's Psychic/Flying.--Regi Ruler 16:09, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

In before "OMFG IT'S A HINT FOR THE LIGHT TYPE BLARGH". But honestly though, I really hope nobody spits that out due to that "related to electric type" statement because that would be really annoying. Ninterror 16:17, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I'd say this puts a dent in the Light Type possibilities if Zekrom isn't Dark. ;-) But, yeah, while this is very interesting we can't state it as fact under the current circumstances. Some mention of the blog entry might fit under Trivia. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 17:45, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

That picture up there, it isn't really proof, since all I see in the Japanese text is "Bibiddo Bubble(?)""Koiru; Coil(Magnemite),""Magnet," etc. Someone that can read better than me may be some help.--ShedinjaFtw 00:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh wow this trolling. She's just gushing over the illustration directly above the text ("vivid purple!!1!" "magnemite"! "magnets"!)—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 23:42, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

How does this have anything to do with Zekrom? I don't see "Zekuromu"... all I see are stuff about illustration... even at the top, it says clearly: "Tēma: Irasuto", which is basically "Theme: Illustration." Sorry if it's just me and my bad eyes, but that up there has nothing to do with Zekrom. --ShedinjaFtw 01:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

The image posted is the blog after the comment was removed, here is the screencap from before the edit. Trainer-c 03:08, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Well I suppose that much checks out...we should definitely hold off on making that a part of the article, though.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 05:14, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Any mention of the electric type should stay away from the bulk of the article but I still say it counts as trivia. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 14:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

The thought of that part of the blog being removed instead of changed leads me to believe that it was a leak instead of an error, as the error would most likely be fixed instead. Also, is it really better to count it soley as a dragon and not a Dragon/Unconfirmed, since ??? is considered a type?--Jmassacre 13:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

It's only been officially announced as Dragon so we can only mention the one type for now. Interesting as that blog entry is, claiming that Zekrom has a second type at all is still too close to rumour and speculation at this point. The type effectiveness section probably isn't accurate, though. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 19:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Sprite

I know one of the screenshots from Black and White had a sprite of Zekrom in it. I've never uploaded an image before, so maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see any reasons why the sprite isn't here. If authenticity is a concern, we can just put the "THIS SPRITE IS FAKE" mouse-over on it. --Element03 04:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

I think the issue is actually quality, rather than whether it is real or not. The screenshots we have are of relatively low quality, so any sprites pulled from them will be as well. Werdnae (talk) 04:47, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

The sprites will only be put on if they are needed for a template. The spritebox will not be implemented until the games release, so the sprites are only needed for the evobox. So far, we will only put in a evobox if we know it evolves to something else or evolves from something else (Zorua and Zoroark), or if we know it will evolve (starters). --SnorlaxMonster 05:20, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I can wait, but would like to point that a pretty clear shot is at http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:BW_Prerelease_Zekrom_battle.png. I checked to make sure it matches up with current sprites, which it does, but I noticed that Zekrom is 94x90 pixels. Interesting to note, this is much larger than any previous sprite.--Element03 01:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Last?

The article shows Bulbasaur as the next Pokémon. This used to be the case with Arceus, due to it ending the Pokédex. However, a version mascot has never ended the Pokédex, so why is Zekrom listed at the end? It is the last Pokémon known, but probably should not be listed as the last Pokémon. Digletdude 20:02, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

We don't know what the last Pokemon is, though. It's listed there because it's... like you said, the last Pokemon known right now. It's only temporary until the game comes out. ▫▫ティナ^♫★ 20:06, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

However, other Generation V Pokémon have been shown with "???" as next and previous. We do know other Pokémon are Next and Previous, but we don't know how many may or may not be in between. Although there Pokédex numbers are missing, some, such as the starters can be ordered. This means, if Zekrom is ordered as last, others can be temporairly ordered. - unsigned comment from Digletdude (talk • contribs)

Sorry I didn't sign yesterday, I was multi-tasking, and accidently put the signature in a document I was typing. I didn't know I can't resign. - unsigned comment from Digletdude (talk • contribs)

Physiology for the admins to implement

Zekrom is a bipedal Pokemon of indefinable basis, but conveyed to be dragon-like. Zekrom is mainly a shade of dark gray, with darker patches on various portions of its body. It has red eyes and a small horn-like protrusion on the tip of its snout, with its head sporting a plume tipped with light-blue coloration. At the base of its neck is a black, stud-like feature, and atop its shoulders are similiar, larger features resembling armor padding.The bases of its wings also have such padding, and a fanned, splayed, seemingly webbed shape with a small "wing-spike" on one edge. The lower length of Zekrom's arms extenuate into splayed, seemingly webbed, somewhat baseball-mitt-like formations, with three-clawed, dark-colored hands on the undersides. The front portion of Zekrom's waist is black-colored, with its belly and thighs having thin striations down their length. The knees are black, as are the foremost parts of its three-clawed feet and spiked heels. Zekrom's tail consists of large, round, conical and spiked formation, likened to a electricity generator, with a black inner portion and bands on the tip of the outside portion. Steph 00:40, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I have a comment about Zekrom's tail. If you imagine that Reshiram's tail is similar to a rocket engine, Zekrom's tail looks remarkably similar to a jet engine. (Erniesduck123 07:30, 11 December 2010 (UTC))

Trivia for the admins to implement

Zekrom is the first pokemon to have a type combination of Dragon and Electric. - unsigned comment from Burzerk (talk • contribs)

Possible name origin?

Could the "Ze" of Zekrom be derived from the Chinese 光澤 guāngzé (luster)? However, I'm not sure about this. Besides "luster (of metal and gems)", 澤 zé also has other meanings, such as "pool/swamp", "humid/damp", and "favour/kindness". 神奇超龍 14:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Possible, but it strikes me as unlikely. My best guess is that both the "Re" and "Ze" come from two possible readings of 零 (zero, null, fraction, fragment, etc.): レイ (rei) and ゼロ (zero). A quick google search shows that at least a few Japanese websites have made the same guess. AmaranthSparrow 01:50, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Wow, I can't believe I didn't see that. It does make sense: (Rei + shiramu = Reshiramu = Reshriram) and (Zero + kuromu = Zekuromu = Zekrom). I wonder if there is a relationship to Arceus, the "Original One" (perhaps a reference to Pangu). Other than that, there could be a reference to Ground Zero or Wu wei.神奇超龍 12:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Accented é

In the first sentence of Zekrom's physiology, the word "Pokémon" is missing the accented é. --♫Green ♫ 20:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks :D --ZestyCactus 20:21, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Game color?

Why is the black Pokémon the mascot for Pokémon White and the white Pokémon the Black mascot? Is this something new they're doing for Generation V? RikutheGreat 21:12, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

That's just what they wanted to do. It's kind of like yin and yang. ~ sol ar is 21:21, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

it's because the main villian uses reshiram in white, and zekrom is the one who's caught, and viceversa for black

Special Moves? Breeding?

What is this "Special Moves" sub-header for, and why is it not on other articles as far as I can see? Second, why is it given a sub-header for breeding moves? All legendary Pokemon save for Manaphy are incapable of breeding.--Black Yin Zekrom 05:39, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

"Special moves" is for moves that don't fit elsewhere in the table, such as event only moves. It is actually the same level heading as the breeding one. The reason why all that stuff is there is that the template used to make the new Pokémon articles includes it, and since we haven't got enough info for the move set we haven't bothered touching those headers at all. Werdnae (talk) 05:45, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Should it be mentioned that the padding around Zekrom's claws look similar to the capture devices in Pokémon Colloseum? Giratina's Embodiment - Please don't hurt us... 20:17, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

That's a rather subjective point, so I don't think it needs mentioning. ~ sol ar is 20:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

trivia to be added

shouldnt it be mentioned that zekrom is the only electric pokemon that doesnt have yellow in its colour scheme?--Nobody777 10:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Voltorb, Electrode, Magnemite, Magneton, Flaafy, Rotom, Probopass.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 10:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

you forgot about voltorb electrode mareep and rotom none of them got yellow coloration eventhough rotom can have a yellow coloratin if he is in the fan form!Badwolf1234 10:54, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Probopass isn't electric-type, Urutapu.--Pokélova! 12:06, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Anime

Could someone perhaps add that it's got an appearance in the first episode of Best Wishes!, even if it is kinda minor? Jo The Marten 23:16, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

Should it be added that Zekrom is the only known Pokemon that has a double resistance to electric? Pikiwyn 16:47, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Moves by breeding

Yeah, an admin needs to remove that section. Seeing as it's in the No Eggs group and all. --Andy^P_K^M_N 11:41, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

BW001

Should Zekrom be mentioned in the "In The Anime" Section as showing up in a thunderstorm? After all, it was there, even if it was only in the storm. --Pokemon26 18:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Possible Zekrom Origin

This is just a speculation, but may be a possible origin to Zekrom. In the first episode of BW, Professor Araragi says: この　ちほう　に　いい　つたえ「きょだい　な　かみなりぐも　は　ひと　と　ポケモン　を　みまもる　かみ　に　いる」「いくつもの　いなずま　の　かみ　に　よる　さばき　の　てっつい　と　てん　を　ささえる　はしら　とも　いわれて」 I don't know how the english fansubs translated it, but the portuguese missed some important words, what made me search for a better translation. Here's what I've understood of it: "There's a legend in this region: In a cloud of thunders exists a god who watches over people and Pokémon. He's called the god of inumerous lightnings who wields the judgement hammer and that sustains the heavens as a pillar." That part about "Judgement hammer" and the fact that Zekrom controls thunders reminded me of Thor, from the Norse Polytheism. Until now, I have only those clues, so I can't say for sure, but it is something worth to look for. Blow 18:53, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Question

Should it noted that Reshiram and Zekrom may draw from Taoist beliefs?

After all, Cross Flame and Cross Thunder seem to draw from it (I.E. "You can't have one without the other" which draws from Yin and Yang of Taoism).

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 18:34, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

It already states that Reshiram & Zekrom are based on the concept of Yin and Yang. What more is needed? --Andy^P_K^M_N 20:44, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Oops, Musta missed that. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 03:42, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Question V.2

As of BW01, Zekrom has been shown to be able to "steal" the electricity of its fellow Electric-types to the point where they can no longer use Electric attacks.

Though it is mentioned in the Anime: Major Appearances section, should it also be added to Abilities?

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 05:43, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Was it ever actually stated what Zekrom actually did to Pikachu? Ataro 06:00, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Given the condition Pikachu was in after whatever Zekrom did, and how it returned after Zekrom returned, I feel it is worth mentioning under abilities. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 06:09, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

That's not really answering my question, but I do agree Ataro 06:12, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll answer now then: I don't remember if they mentioned it. But Zekrom did do something with Pikachu that eliminated his electric powers so it should be worth mentioning. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 06:34, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd wait for the dub since I honestly don't know Japanese. TTEchidna 08:51, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

I've watched that part again. Araragi and Oak say that Pikachu absorbed too much electricity, so he's overloaded and can't use his electric moves as he wishes. Ash asks if Pikachu would stay in that state permanently, but than Zekrom arrives and strikes another thunder at Pikachu, that looks to go berserk (he can't control the thunders that are flowing out - look at that with attention). That moment, Ash's act as a ground wire (^_^') and everything is ok \o/. Case solved, Zekrom don't have the ability to steal electricity. Blow 14:00, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps it should be mentioned that it can strike its fellow Electric types with enough energy to cause them to be unable to control their Electricity? I don't know. But thanks, Blow. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 14:45, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Let's say Ash's Pikachu have the Lightningrod ability. But Zekrom have Teravoltage ability, which allows him to strike through Pikachu's ability. Then, it would be reasonable that, instead of being converted (without damage to Pikachu) and raising Pikachu's Special Attack, Zekrom's lightning stroke Pikachu's inner parts, as in Pikachu's Special abilities description: "As Pikachu builds up energy in its electricity glands, it often needs to discharge, as to not result in a short, or worse, which can lead to physical Paralysis, or in severe cases, death.". I mean, even a lightning rod can fail its purpose if it isn't designed to properly receive the energy of a thunder. Blow 16:55, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Requirement to catch Zekrom/Reshiram

What happens when you face them without any Poké Balls on hand? Or you run out of them in the battle? Does beating/running from it restart the battle or transport you somewhere you can buy Poké Balls? Because otherwise you're stuck forever. --HTMLCODER.exe@bulbapedia$_ /usr /bin /apache2 -k restart 12:23, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Is it confirmed that the Master Ball is impossible to get rid of in this gen at all? If so maybe that might not be a problem, unless of course some people are stupid enough to use it for something else... Shiramu Kuromu 23:58, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

1) You can throw away the Master Ball.

2) You can give the Master Ball to a Pokémon and release it.

3) You can meet and catch the roaming legendary before you fight the box legendary(a good reason to use the Master Ball).

4) If you beat the box legendary it just stays there, and you can so walk back to the room with the Plasma Member that'll warp you back to the Pokémon League Pokémon Center. Didn't try running, though I assume it will have a similar result.

5) If you don't have any money, you can go and beat the Triple/Rotation trainers for money to buy some balls.

6) If you don't have any strong Pokémon, you must have at least one left, which you can slowly train up against wild Pokémon until it's strong enough to beat some trainers to get some money.

7) If your Pokémon don't know any offensive attacks, well, that's where infinite-use TMs come in handy.

8) Anyway, a Team Plasma Member in N's Castle will give you an Ultra Ball, which afterward the first catchable Pokémon you should see is the box legendary, so you should have at least one ball facing it the first time. Bluesun 00:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Egg

Hey I noticed that in the egg section it doesn't say "Not legitimately obtainable as egg" How do we add this? Or is it the first Legend Mascot to breed (of course not!).----Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth (talk) 12:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Set egggroupn to 0. Fixed. --SnorlaxMonster 13:28, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Possible Yu-Gi-Oh! reference?

Zekrom's design looks strangely similar to the "Red-Eyes Black Dragon"-Character from the Yu-Gi-Oh! franchise. Worth mentioning? - unsigned comment from Renoir (talk • contribs)

I remember I use to play Yu-Gi-Oh and looking at both Zekrom, and Red Eyes Black Dragon, aside from sharing the same color (black), not much else they share in common. Frozen Fennec 21:27, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

And the red eyes. My friend and I discussed this several times. While the coincidence is hilarious, I felt it was not strong enough to add--SandmanDP 21:34, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Same feeling here. If it was notable in this article then the Reshiram would have a note with it being similar to Blue Eyes White Dragon. Frozen Fennec 21:36, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Also part of that conversation :P--SandmanDP 21:38, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

That's an opinion, and isn't allowed in these pages. Ataro 22:32, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Wait, can Zekrom be shiny? According to the page, yes

Who added that line that it can be shiny at Dragonspiral Tower? I wanted to check in here first before removing in case there was a weird glitch or something that allowed it. I don't see a citation or anything about it --Shadowater (talk) 03:36, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Trivia piece has been removed since the trivia piece above it made no mention about it's Shiny sprite in the first place. :) Frozen Fennec 03:44, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Should we add the evolution to black kyrem?

I mean if we do it for differnt form shouldnt we do it for them.