Talk:Core series

This talkpage is only for discussion of the article itself! As not yet all information is known about the subject of the article, please do not ask here if the editors of Bulbapedia know any information about related subjects. As new information is revealed, if the article is protected, put this information in a new section of this talkpage, and it will be added to the article as soon as possible. If the article is not protected, add the information while adhering strictly to Bulbapedia's manual of style. Please take any other discussion or questions regarding the subject of the article to the Bulbagarden Forums, where you can discuss it freely with other members of the Bulbagarden community. And remember, BulbaBot is watching you.

Routes

I'm not so sure that a Gen V game has to start its Route numbering system from 301 just because Hoenn and Sinnoh use a similar method. A Gen V or so game could actually link two previously known regions. There are still Routes 47-100 and Routes 135-200 still unaccounted for. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 15:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. Not only is there no precedent or fundamental reason to believe it will be the case, the contrary is more likely to occur. Hoenn and Sinnoh are based on Kyushu and Hokkaido, respectively, which are the only islands in Japan - other than Honshu - arguably big enough to be adapted as regions. By this I am suggesting that Generation V is more likely to revisit Honshu, of which there are plenty of as-yet unexplored territories. If that were to happen, the numbering system would no doubt pick up from Route 47, regardless of whether Kanto or Johto were included in the game.

Some might also argue that Shikoku, which is another Japanese island, is not too small to serve as the basis of a new region. Supposing that they had a point, the numbering system would still be likely to pick up either from Route 47 or Route 135, due to Shikoku's proximity to both Honshu (in particular the area encompassed in Johto) and Kyushu.

Those are really the only possibilities involving Japan, and the pattern does suggest that Generation V will be based there. It is important to remember that the transition to Hoenn and then to Sinnoh entailed exploring new territories far enough from previous regions. Now that both Hoenn and Sinnoh are familiar places, that can no longer be done within Japan. -Unown Lord 13:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I think it's more to discourage people from being "LOL JOTOE IZ IN RUBBY N SAFIRE" and "LOL HOEN IZ IN DAIMIND N PERL". Though I do agree, they could go and hit whatever's north of Kanto and Johto next time around... the problem would be whether or not to link back to those two or not to. TTEchidna 19:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

They should just go ahead and create a 3-D console game like the Orre series and have all the known game regions present. At least the main series regions. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 19:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Pikachu

The article mentions Pikachu and Raichu being in Generation Five's regional dex, because it has been like that in all previous generations. What about the evolutionary lines of Geodude, Abra, Zubat (minus Crobat), Machop, Psyduck, and Goldeen? They've all been present in every game, so why not mention them too? --Nostalgia 17:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I think only Pikachu is mentioned because it's the "mascot" of the series. It has more of a probability of being in the next game. Then again, Magikarp and Tentacool are also mentioned... ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 18:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

If the next Generation of Pokémon games didn't have the Pikachu family in them I don't think anyone would buy them!- unsigned comment from Taromon777 (talk • contribs)

of course they would buy them. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 18:29, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

This is funny because now Pikachu isn't in the Udex and Black and White was the top selling game when it came out in Japan. So, does anyone know that ended up working? Doesn't the old Pokémon start appearing in the grass after you get the National Dex. (How is that even possible?) --Landfish7 21:32, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Eeveelutions?

Is it possible that 2 new eeveelutions will be introduced when you consider Gen II and IV both introduced 2 new eeveelutions each (Espeon & Umbreon and Leafeon and Glaceon)?BlueGasMask 01:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

what about Gen III? none. so, no. -- MAGNEDETH 01:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

If we see new ones in Gen V, I'd bet on a couple more in Gen VI, but until we have a pattern we ought not. TTEchidna 04:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

If the Eeveelutions "pattern" continued in Gen V, then we would either see no new Eeveelutions (Gen II added 2, Gen III added none, Gen IV added 2) or only a Dragon-type Eeveelution (as all of Eevee's current evolved forms are types that were considered "Special" prior to Gen IV; technically, however, this would break the pattern, as only 1 new "Special"-type would be introduced, rather than the usual 2). Hopefully they will begin to create Eeveelutions based off of the types that were previously "Physical"; I'd really like to see a Steel, Fighting, or Ghost-type Eeveelution (Bug...not so much). Diachronos 16:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

If they do invent new Eeveelutions I dread to think how unimaginative their names will be! There will probably be a Dragon-type one called Drageon or something. - unsigned comment from Taromon777 (talk • contribs)

How about Dracoleon? Draco IS greek for Dragon. -The REAL Dialga 15:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Quality of this article

Isn't good. It isn't up to any standard of quality. It reads more like an editorial or some other kind of opinion piece than an encyclopedic one. Given that, what can we do to fix it? I think we can only really say that nothing has been announced, yet. -- evkl _{(need to talk?)} 05:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Stale Comment reply!: Right now, all it is is a list of things we know will happen or we think will happen. We might add a couple of pictures, but I can see how it would be hard to incorporate them. But with the latest news, it looks like we're not seeing Gen V games until mid-late 2010 in Japan, and early-mid 2011 everywhere else. However, by August of this year, we'll most likely have at least the Munchlax of Gen V and we can pretty much copy this article over to a rough Gen V page. Aura-Knight 17:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

This article is basically a list of patterns through the game series and that's all it ever can be. As I said below, actual Gen V information would go on the Gen V pages. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 19:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Magnemite

If Magnemite's included, why not Rhyhorn?--Gou 17:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

About Arceus

"The legendary pokemon are more powerful in new generations. With Arceus as the god Pokemon of the universe, it would be hard to make a stronger one." I HATE this argument. Just because it is credited with creating everything does NOT make it omnipotent, or unsurpassable in any other way. Technically, it's only been known to do one thing, and that's creating other pokemon (Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf) which in turn did all the work of creating the universe. And it's arguable that legendary pokemon are mor powerful in each generation (until Arceus, I don't think even the base stats of them were ever improved upon much-- are Groudon and Kyogre that much more powerful than Ho-oh and Lugia?). I'd say their powers and range of influence are just made "cooler", and I doubt Game Freak would be at a loss for that-- Many other fundamental aspects of the universe still have no legendary pokemon to call their own, like life and death. I'm not saying that this argument should be deleted from this page; after all, this is about the fandom, and many fans have the opinion "ARceuS Is gOD!!!1! ZOmG GameFreaKs caNT FoLlow Taht up!!!1!!!!!111!" I just think it should be rephrased, maybe as "Some people argue that because Arceus created the Pokemon world, Gamefreak would have difficulty making a more awesome pokemon next generation in order to maintain interest in the franchise." Something like that. Any thoughts? --AndyPKMN 23:15, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree, who said, in the current generation, there has to be stronger pokémon then the last.--Midnight Blue 23:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

The whole article is fanspeculation. It is a valid argument, and I've rephrased the whole entire section to make it somewhat more encyclopedic. —darklordtrom 07:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Wow, that's much better. Even I couldn't have phrased it that well! Thanks! --AndyPKMN 19:13, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I dont think that arceus is directly referred to as a god but his ability to create the three dietic dragons and the three lake gaurdians make his ability DIVINE(like all other legendaries), so there's no point of dubbing him as a god. And that would be offensive to religions, so nintendo would've thought of that point before approving of arceus'release to the fourth generation.--Nobody777 18:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

It is not stated as such any more. —darklordtrom 19:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I believe somewhere in Gen IV they mention people worshipping Dialga, Palkia, and Arceus as gods. It might be Cynthia's grannie I'm thinking of, but she says that Dialga and Palkia were "revered as dieties" or something like that. R.A. Hunter Blade 23:17, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

that is exactly what i'm saying, 'revered as dieties' but not actual gods, but actually the sinnoh myth is based on shinto which might possibly have been confusing for the pokémon community.--Nobody777 17:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

But diety refers to gods, or somthing/someone on the level of a god. If you can find a meaning that's different, then please do. R.A. Hunter Blade 13:08, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm no longer arguing that it isn't a "god" (as the word itself is quite vague. All I was saying is that the assumption that Game Freak won't be able to come up with something more powerful, as well as the assumption that they have to with each new generation, are both misconceptions. And again, as this is about the fandom's opinion, and many are of the belief that Nintendo has to do both of these things to make a new generation (and that they couldn't if they wanted to), I think the amended wording suits it fine. - unsigned comment from AndyPKMN (talk • contribs)

Further discussion on this topic at Bulbawiki forums please. Comments below this line will be deleted. —darklordtrom 20:45, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

page is messed up

I suggest rearranging the page into several sections or put into a table--Nobody777 13:12, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

um.....

there could be a future Generation starting off at Route 49 getting rid of that LONG gap between Route 48 and Route 101--Darknesslover5000 17:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

if the gap between routes complete a full number sequence, that means that between johto and hoenn there are most probably two generations, between hoenn and sinnoh there are about four generations, of course if I take this if each region has about 27 playable routes, of course its an assumption but good point to be mentioned if the numbering counts. yet there's the problem of the pokémon world's route numbering system which could exist as some kind of government policy, if it exists.--Nobody777 13:43, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention that, if a new generation's country includes a route number starting right after the last route number of another country, that would heavily imply that said other country is accessible in the game. For example, if Generation V's country were to begin at Route 49, that would imply that at least Johto is accessible in the main games of that generation. Hoenn began at 101, Sinnoh began at 201, and the Sevii Islands did not number their routes, all to avoid these implications.

(For the record, yes, there is a precedent for Route 47 going west from Cianwood when Route 46 is on the eastern side of the country. The precedent is Kanto's Route 24, north of Cerulean while Route 23 is on the west side of the country.) - unsigned comment from Shiningpikablu252 (talk • contribs)

um... what's a precedent?--Darknesslover5000 02:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

and I still say that they can fix that long @$$ gap between Johto and Hoenn's region number's without making Johto accessible. The excuse? A land Bridge between Johto and Hypothetical Generation V region that vanished over time.--Darknesslover5000 02:29, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

There could also be no more Pokémon games. The moral of the story is we base our information on the trends of recent games, not what a handful of fans think is possible. Because anything's possible. Even an elephant bird (ten points for getting the reference). —darklordtrom 02:47, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

true. But there are some people (like me) that are insane about Pokémon. If the series is stopped we will band togéther to attack nintendo. There's still SO much Nintendo can put into Pokémon. And besides it makes them money. I don't think they'll end it yet.--Darknesslover5000 02:49, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Further discussion on this topic at Bulbawiki forums please. Comments below this line will be deleted. —darklordtrom 20:45, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Rewrite

I largely agree with trom's reasoning that we needed to rewrite this page, but am concerned that we are losing a lot of information by doing this transition so suddenly. I certainly feel that any of the "evidence" sections, we retain on other pages, and that it's easy to find on those pages. As for the format, I'd advocate a few more bulleted lists, as I think it is easier to pick out on the page than a whole load of prose to wade through. I know you had good intentions though trom :) Kidburla 19:54, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

If you feel I removed anything of importance, then feel free to put it back in. I did think that some items listed were overtrivialised, so I took them out. As for the format, the sections with paragraphs is generally preferred for overall article quality. Thanks for your feedback. —darklordtrom 11:09, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay so I agree that most articles should have sections and paragraphs, but I contest that this is a "normal" article. It reads more like a list, which has been converted to a formatted article (which incidentally is basically what has happened). Perhaps instead, some of this content should be migrated to a "List of patterns common to all Pokémon games" and then merely referenced from this article? Kidburla 18:43, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

This page was better before the rewrite. Put the evidence back in. Emyunoxious 01:38, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

No, I disagree; it looks much cleaner and more professional now, while the old version was fairly jumbled. If you want to add old information, at least put it in a more organized manner than before. MagicBarrier 05:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I think the article looks better without all the bullet points. It's a lot easier to read. Taromon 11:33, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Redundant

Disclaimer: This article is purely fan speculation. There is NO evidence for or against it. Section:evidence for gen V. Section:evidence against gen V.

lol --GEN1KING 14:12, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

It said solid evidence. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 14:37, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Could be a new handheld

I did not know where else to put this so... I was just reading NGamer(uk 46) and it has an artical on page 6 about what Nintendo president Satoru Iwata said in an interview with japanese newspaper Ashi Shimbun. They report that when asked about a future generation of handhelds he apparently said that that the new consol would have "highly detailed graphics, and it will be necessary to have a sensor with the ability to read the movements of people playing". With earlier reports of Nvidia working on a chipset for Nintendo, and Game Freak advertising a while back for a 3D artist (or something), I believe that the 5th gen of Pokémon is close and we may even see sneek previews of the next handheld by the end of the year, sounds to me as if they are working on it by now (could even be in testing as NGamer have a mock picture of what they believe is in the works). - unsigned comment from 011384mm (talk • contribs)

It's already announced. You might not know because it was revealed 1 or 2 days ago. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 16:01, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

A Little Spelling Error

Since this page is protected, there's a really small spelling error. - "Just as Red and Blue were made in Generation III, and Gold and Sliver in Generation IV, it is most likely that Ruby and Sapphire will be remade in Generation V." It should be Silver not Sliver. Ugoz 22:53, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks for noticing. - Kogoro | Talk to me - 23:02, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Another minor error that was over looked in what Ugoz pointed out, made should be changed to remade.NnN Neo 03:45, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Add info about Gen V

Could someone delete the references of generation V. Or Atleast reword them. also, plz mention Gne. V in the begining paragraph. thankyouShiny Pika 02:29, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, can add a link to Gen 5 at the bottom of the page.--Midnight Blue 02:35, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

In progress. TTEchidna 03:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Also a reminder: in "Speculation against future generations", if it even remains relevant in the short term at all, everything involving the unlikelihood of the fifth gen in particular (or unlikelihood that it will be on the DS) should be removed. --HeroicJay 19:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

...Hello? The page still talks about the possibility of an already-confirmed fifth gen not happening, even saying no new Pokemon have been revealed. --HeroicJay 02:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Two Sets of Remakes in Generation V and Beyond?

I Think that if they ARE Going to remake Ruby and Sapphire in Gen. V, then they would have to do remakes of FR/LG, because FR/LG have the exact same quality as Ruby/Sapphire. And then, they would probably have to remake DP in Generation VI, if there ever will be a Generation VI.Should there be a Generation VI in 2013 or whenever (2013 is my best guess, or 2014), then there would have to be more remakes of HGSs.Then, in an seemingly unlikely Generation VII, would come reremakes of FRLG and RS, and then the first remakes of the Generation V Games.I See all these, except the First remakes of RS, unlikely.Brock*PWN* 17:58, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Remember, talk pages are meant for discussing the article itself, not the subject. To post all your theories and random questions about the content of the games, visit the forums.—Mada-sama (Talk to me!)— 18:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Remake will only happen if the generation timeline is the same. I and III take place during the same time, II and IV also take place during the same time. Someone should mention it at the remake part about the "same timeline". -Pokeant 15:07, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh, please. Nowhere is it stated that Generation I and Generation III take place at the same time, nor is it stated anywhere that Generation II and Generation IV also take place at the same time. The only thing we know about any Pokémon game timelines is that Generation II (and its remakes) take place three years after Generation I (and its remakes), while XD: Gale of Darkness takes place five years after Colosseum. Who's to say Generation III isn't a prequel to Generation I, or Generation IV isn't a sequel to Generation II? Communication compatability means nothing--both Colosseum and XD: Gale of Darkness trades with Generation III handheld games without any problems despite the fact that the Gamecube titles have a distinct timeline difference. --Shiningpikablu252 21:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Speculation against future generations

Despite the name of this section, it's actually arguing that there won't be a Generation V. An argument which I don't think anyone can logically support given that we know Gen V is coming. In particular it says, "no new Pokémon have been revealed" which is just completely wrong at this point. Drapion 05:47, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Generation V Hate

"While Generation V is known to be on its way, several vocal fans believe it will be inferior to Generation IV, which has, as of the present, lasted nearly as long as Generation III did."

So, how does this fit in with the rest of the section? The rest of the section just says there won't be future generations. MagicBarrier 18:32, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Okay, it's been changed. I know people will always have generations that they hate, but I was saying it didn't fit in with the rest of the section. MagicBarrier 23:31, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

No Old Pokemon In Generation 5!?!?

Than that means a lot of this HAS to be wrong.. if there won't be any old pokemon, than that means Pikachu won't appear and.... ... ... ... ... OMG NO MORE GEODUDE!!! WOOT!!!! Anyway point is this needs to be pointed out in the article eventually!! Also, a question, has it been comfirmed that there won't be badges in the new generation? Or is this still a rumor? Anyway, I'd just like to point out that IF what Masuda said is TRUE than that means some of the "Fan Speculation" will NOT happen!! --Landfish⁷ 13:57, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I thought it was just no old Pokémon until after acquiring the Nat'l Dex. Calm down, you'll be able to get Pikachu. ʝɑzzmotɦ _❝❞✎ 16:16, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I guess we will have to wait until the game is released to figure out exactly how they are going to do this.. something makes me doubt that they will all of a sudden have past Pokemon in the wild after you recieve the national dex.. I thought it would be more like Generations 1 through 4 Pokemon couldn't be traded into the game until the National Pokedex was unlocked and you can only find Generation 5 Pokemon in the wild NO MATTER WHAT!! BTW, I don't care if Pikachu ends up in the game or not.. it's a useless electric rodent.. so.. should we at least point this fact out on the Black and White page? --Landfish⁷ 20:07, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, until we find out for sure either way, it's speculation. Let's not add it until it's confirmed exactly how this will work. ʝɑzzmotɦ _❝❞✎ 23:03, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon debuting before their Generation

Zoroark debuted before Gen V in the Anime, if the movies count.. Which is likely as Manaphy and Lucario are mentioned. --♪ Jason Tong ♪ 08:40, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Japan?

It states that all regions have been based on places in Japan.. but Isshu is based off of New York. --Landfish7 01:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Myth busted

Since NOBODY went above a base stat total of 680 in the 5th Gen, and since Arceus is still the only one to go higher than that, using Arceus as evidence against future generations is now false. If Arceus were still credible evidence to use Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, AND Genesect would have a base stat total of 720 or higher, so that disproves the superseding part of each generation. Even in terms of backstory they did absolutely nothing to Arceus's title, as they technically didn't create [i]anything[/i]. Reshiram and Zekrom simply have either Good or Evil personalities respectively that got into arguements with eachother to repeat Groudon and Kyogre except nothing real "special", Kyurem is a derp until we get the potential Gray version and find out what it really is, and Genesect is simply another Mewtwo. Due to this, a 6th Generation is highly possible still, as nobody superseded the 4th Gen in terms of backstories. Shiramu Kuromu 17:06, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

.....

WHY whould ANYONE think they'll remake FR?LG?!?! That'll be so much of a waste of resources since they already remade Kanto once and they don't need SEVEN games for that, as they can simply put all the Kanto and Johto legendaries in Hoenn like they did with most of the Legendaries in HG/SS. Game Freak seems to be wanting a full reboot here, something that will NOT be accomplished with FR/LG remakes. You'd get a better result with Hoenn remakes than that for goodness sakes, since the FR/LG remakes are TOTAL speculation unlike the Hoenn remakes, which actually have more wait to them (For instance, Dive is an HM again). Shiramu Kuromu 17:35, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Heck that entire section in the article is total speculation to begin with. Who put that there anyways??? Shiramu Kuromu 17:37, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Outdated and Actively Incorrect Content

While this page *was* accurate, the section on the new generations coming out with a new system (paraphrasing heavily) is, obviously, conclusively false at this point. Id like to either remove the statement, or amend it, but considering how much controversy this sort of page has the potential to cause, I don't want to do so without greater input. PowerPlantRaichu 01:05, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Didn't the 3DS come out with Gen V? I'm new, but there's so much here I can't find any mainspace to edit!- unsigned comment from Cela08 (talk • contribs)

Deletion discussion

(Thanks for slapping on the template without starting the discussion yourself. Nice and polite.) I disagree with Spyspotter's request to delete this page. While it is quite speculative, the fact is that there are patterns and it's nice to have a page that goes over them. What this page needs is not to be deleted, but to have the speculation edited out so it's an observation of the patterns themselves rather than speculation about whether those patterns will continue. If this is done (and I intend to do it if people agree with me), it should probably be either moved to an entirely new title or merged into the "Version" article (which, as a side note, should really be titled "Main series" for consistency with our other pages). Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 03:29, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

I disagree with the deletion notice. <!--and can I be deleted I need a fresh start-->--Reli★ジーランス? 17:24, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm alright with the patterns in the version article, but the rest of it needs to go. Having speculation is one thing, but having an entire article consisting of it is another. Also, I don't always start deletion discussions, if I didn't, then the edit summary and the template state my argument. I think it's a waste of time retyping all that stuff out. The above comment is supported by Spyspotter. 19:10, 9 July 2013 (UTC)