Talk:Signature move

Skarmory?

Should Skarmory with Steel Wing be included here? After all, it is the only Pokemon that can learn it naturally.

That would be a good case to make. Question is, how many others do that? TTEchidna 03:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Hitmonlee with Mega Kick Zurqoxn 03:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

And I'm sure there are more, like Hitmonchan and Vacuum Wave. I, too, am used to call moves "signature" when they're exclusive to few by leveling up. --Johans 16:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

What about Porygon-Z and Trick Room? Though Trick Room is a TM, only Porygon-Z learns it naturally. Tesh 17:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

What about Metagross and Meteor Mash? --Mooshykris 22:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Clefairy learns Meteor Mash, though...hardly exclusive... --Myrmidom

And Chimchar with Facade, this is the same scenario as Trick Room. Tesh 15:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Level-up otherwise exclusive to TMs?

Okay, I just wanted to organize what's been said above. What we have so far is...

TM or HM	Move	Pokémon	Level	Generation
TM01	Focus Punch	Vigoroth	43	III
			43	IV
TM21	Frustration	Buneary	13	IV
TM27	Return	Lopunny	13	IV
TM42	Facade	Chimchar	31	IV
TM47	Steel Wing	Skarmory	49	II
			32	III
			38	IV
HM05 (Generation III)	Flash	Volbeat	--	IV
TM70
TM72	Avalanche	Smoochum	31	IV
TM72	Avalanche	Jynx	33	IV
TM92	Trick Room	Porygon-Z	--	IV
HM07	Waterfall	Goldeen	37	I
			38	II
			38	III
			37	IV
HM07	Waterfall	Seaking	39	I
			41	II
			41	III
			40	IV

If anyone thinks of any others, go on and add them in here. TTEchidna 23:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

As I said above, Hitmonlee with Mega Kick. Zurqoxn 01:52, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I placed it here so that we stay in a Generation III/IV scope. --Johans 04:22, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Uh, Raquazza and Fly! Only he learns through level up!--Quick Man 12:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Level-up otherwise exclusive to Move Tutors?

This might be useful if "signature move" is furtherly redefined. --Johans 04:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Move	Pokémon	Level	Generation
Mega Kick	Hitmonlee	53	I
		46	II
		46	III
		49	IV

Level-up otherwise exclusive to breeding?

In the article, Octazooka is listed as being signature of only Octillery, and Present is listed as being signature of only Delibird (just to mention some), which is true only if the definition of "signature moves" includes this type of moves. --Johans 06:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Move	Pokémon	Level	Generation
Icicle Spear	Shellder	8	III (FR/LG)
		13	IV
SmellingSalt	Makuhita	31	III
		22	IV
SmellingSalt	Hariyama	33	III
		22	IV
Vacuum Wave	Hitmonchan	26	IV

About evolved forms

Should stone-induced evolved forms be listed? Pikachu and Raichu appear in the article. However, the species that actually learns Volt Tackle is Pichu (making the Battle Revolution Pikachu a trivia section material). If Raichu can appear in the list, then Togekiss and Mismagius should, too. --Johans 20:36, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

No, I think that only the Pokémon that learns the move should be listed. So Pichu should be listed, but it's evolutions shouldn't. Only if the evolution learns the move then they an be listed. So both Cubone and Marowak learn Bonemerang, therefore both should be listed. File:Ani137MS.gifTESHFile:Ani233MS.gifTALKFile:Ani474MS.gif 15:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Splash?

Would Splash be eligible for inclusion here? A bunch of Pokémon can learn the move nowadays, but back in Generation I it was very much Magikarp's trademark. A similar case is already included on the list (Petal Dance, which was exclusive to the Oddish line in Generation I). Bikini Miltank 08:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

You're right, according to the current status of the article. But I think that kind of moves shouldn't appear in the list. IMO, in any case, Generation III stuff is the only past generation that should be mentioned, as it's compatible with Generation IV, but I still don't like the idea.

I take it this all started with the ExtremeSpeed Dratini from the trivia section, right? Well, that Dratini is obsolete, too. I propose we get rid of ExtremeSpeed Dratini and there won't be need for the ExtremeSpeed Arcanine and the other obsolete groups. --Johans 16:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

NO! Lol, we should split this article into each Generation, with a trivia section for Pokémon that do not learn a move naturally. Like Dratini in GenII. I think this would be better. File:Ani137MS.gif_TESHFile:Ani233MS.gif_TALK File:Ani474MS.gif_FUN 16:20, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... one of the things I was going to suggest was listing the likes of Splash, ExtremeSpeed and so on in a seperate table, for moves that were once exclusive to a single line, but aren't anymore. I think these moves are certainly worth mentioning somewhere in the article, as they might still be relevant to someone who's playing any of the older games. Bikini MiltankFile:Ani241MS.gifMoo, I say. 23:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

You mean like Blaziken's Blaze Kick? Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 05:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Splash/Magikarp should be there, and Blaze Kick/Blaziken should have been there ages ago! File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 05:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Magnemite

ok, sorry about that, but i think Zap Cannon should at least be there, other than the TM, only it and Porygon could learn it in Gen II. on that note, hows about Magnet Bomb, which only they and Nosepass/Probopass can learn? File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 04:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Skay. Magnet Bomb, however.. I think we should add that. Tina ^δ♫ 05:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

idk, i still think Zap Cannon should be there. i didnt even know Porygon could learn it untill a few mins ago. File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 05:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

As of GenIV, 13 Pokémon can learn Zap Cannon.. Tina ^δ♫ 05:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

As in check the Zap Cannon page...Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 05:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

ok, i thought there were notes for previous Gens. File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 05:20, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

now wait a minute...Tina agreed that Magnet Bomb should be added as a sig move. besides, the page even says, "can only be learned by a single Pokémon or a very small select group of Pokémon." both Magnemite and Probopass are Steel with magnet-ness. File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 05:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

So? That would mean I had to kick in the kickingfeet Pokémon and the chicken...Reasons:

1. They don't seem to be related...
2. Five Pokémon isn't a small group
3. Tina agreed, so I'm saying the opposite...

Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 05:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

well...

1. they are related, magnet-ness alnog with both lvling up at Coronet
2. its technically only 2 Pokemon, Magnemite and Probopass, the page lists Mag's evo line and Probopass twice (for some reason)

File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 05:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Ack! You win...Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 05:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

i didnt fight because its Magnemite, i just fought for the truth! that being said, i still think Blaziken should be on there with a note about Gen 3 or somthing. File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 05:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Capitalized please...Hitmonlee and Blaziken seems select enough...Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 05:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Splitting

This page needs to be split up into Generations I think. There are too many prior to Genration IV. TESHIGIGAS 20:44, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

No, No. That's not needed. It's fine how it is. --Theryguy512 21:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

But then we could sychronise the trivia into it as well. TESHIGIGAS 18:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Small group?

Since Mathis seems to have decided to take a chainsaw to the list, I have to ask: How big is a "small group" of Pokémon? - Cassius335 12:24, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

small group denotes 2 evo lines. so, as seen above, with Magnet Bomb, only two pokemon can learn it, with the exception of their own evos. -- MAGNEDETH 19:31, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok. *points at the top of the page* What about Meteor Mash then? - Cassius335 00:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

well, somone should add that to the page. along with the others in my opinion. though, it could be argued that Math earlier had the right idea. super exclusive only. -- MAGNEDETH 00:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Staryu

In Generation III, Staryu was the only Pokemon who could learn Camouflage. Mothim can now learn it in Gen IV. Nevertheless, I would assume that Staryu would count as a Pokémon with a signature move before Gen IV. -TIMMY

Added. Zurqoxn 20:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Really, exactly two Pokemon knowing a move is still pretty exclusive. - Cassius335 09:07, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

We're still missing Mothim on there though...I guess I'll add it unless anyone has any objections...ht14 00:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Skitty

Well, Skitty (and Delecatty, but Skitty Evolves into that) were the only ones to know assist until Generation IV, I think Skitty deserves a mention (Delecatty doesn't scince she only learns VIA from Skitty knowing before evelution).--Quick Man 13:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup

This article NEEDS some cleanup... some signature moves don't make sense and some are in a lot of pokemon, so they should be removed. I think if a pokemon prior to Gen IV now learns a GEN IV move, it shouldn't be mentioned, 'cause it's obvious that another pokemon will learn the same move (for example Relicanth that learns Cranidos' signature. in that case Relicanth should be removed). If someone doesn't agree with me, then just undo it. hfc2X 00:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

It's fine. PL12 00:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

It's fine if it's only one or two different evolution families. TTEchidna 04:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Crush Grip

What about the Combusken who has Crush Grip in PBR