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User pages

Isn't there a way that you can only permit 10 edits a day on user pages so this problem can be resolved? --☆ケンジガール 06:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree. It's been a month! YinYang 06:39, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The main problem being, there's no way to physically limit the number of edits per day, let alone to a specific namespace (as far as I've been able to dig up on MediaWiki). The limit would most likely need to be a policy, and in that case, would be extremely hard to enforce. At the very least though, I believe a message can be added to the edit screen on certain namespaces (User:, in this case), telling users to remember to use the Show Preview button, and keep total edits per day to about five (although technically, if you need to update your userpage more then twice a day, you're using it too much as it is).

I assume it's just a few admins working on the details... but perhaps, if it's proving to be difficult to figure out, a page for suggestions could be set up (or a forum thread). I'm sure there's more then enough users here that could figure out a basic plan, at the least. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 07:19, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

We had a problem like this on Super Mario Wiki. We solved it by creating a Userpedia, a place for member to spam their happy little fancruft hearts out and limit the content of the main wikis userspace to general information. Even while we don't always enforce this, things are still under a reasonable amount of control. -- Chris 18:46, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

You know, many MANY other wikis allow userspace. And it works, there isn't really a big problem with it. What makes this wiki different? I just want to know. Noname

I haven't been here long, but from what I gather, people were spending more time editing userspace than actual wiki content (which is the purpose of the wiki). -- Chris 21:10, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

It's because many people were signing up for this wiki for the main or sole purpose of using the userspace as something along the lines of a blog, Myspace, or gaming center. As such, userspace edits started to constitute the majority of this wiki's edits, and people using signature templates and then changing them started to bog down the server.

To alleviate the solution, userspace editing to anyone without sysop powers has been blocked, and a new signature policy has been drafted that forbids the usage of signature templates. Many of the powers-that-be are working on a solution to try to curb the amount of userspace edits upon the lifting of the userspace ban. Note that the only current sysop who's ever found themselves unable to edit userpages under the current conditions is the most recently-appointed one, Jioruji Derako; yours truly, the second-most recently-appointed one, was given the powers shortly before the userspace ban fell into place. --Shiningpikablu252 21:10, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, technically, at first, Zhen made it so no one could... which even excluded him and the rest of us. Wouldn't be very good if we needed to do something about someone's page. But look at how often we're editing our pages. Very sparingly. Very. It's more or less on a need-to basis. TTEchidna 04:20, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I generally only take an edit or two to completely redesign my page, on such rare occasions. Do all the editing in the "Show Preview" window, and you won't ever clog up RC. And I tend not to keep anything that needs updating on my page (I currently list off some Pokémon teams, but even when userspace editing was on, I only updated levels every so often).

It's just so easy to make a beautiful userspage, then let it be. I see no problem with users who spend a lot of time making their userpages... but the problem arises when they don't ever "finish" the page. Spend a day making your page pretty, then get back to editing. Not the other way around. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 04:38, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

On march 24th, this was posted:

Due to an overwhelmingly large amount of edits going on in the User: namespace, we have disabled edits to all pages within it for the time being. We are monitoring how much the lack of ability to edit personal pages will affect the server, and when the results come in, we will make a decision on what to do.

If you feel the need to create a userpage or edit it now, you will have to wait. Do not create a page in the main namespace to move to the User: namespace under any circumstances. The results will likely be conclusive after about a week, and you will be informed with another message from the editor about the return of functionality.

Additionally, a policy on signatures is being discussed on the Bulbapedia forum on BMGf, so please, take a look at it even if you are not a member, as it may affect you.

They've had a month to get the results. That not long enough? 折り紙ガイ - 離す貢献 10:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Like, dude...If you stopped asking, you'd think they'd let you back. THink about it: They let the userpages open and then...EVERYONE RUSHES TO EDIT THEIR PAGES. Optimatum^Talk|Links27 Apr 2008

Err, with that argument they could keep it off forever. Anyway, some people use show preveiw and some people don't, but preventing userspace edits is a temporary measure at best. This is a community-driven wiki (says so at the top), and you can't expect people to use the forums for everything. Noname I'll shut up now.

This is a community-driven encyclopedia. Anything beyond that is an extra. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 15:23, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

You know, you should pobably post a new notice on the main page about the extended block of user pages, just to make it clear that the block is not over and will not be over soonUser:Darth Cookie Monster 15:35, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

It's an encyclopedia, but they key phrase here is "community-driven". People don't just join to edit their userpages, but you shouldn't get rid of it entirly just to motivate them to edit the mainspace. And why exactly won't it be over soon? What can be gained by keeping it off even longer? It's not like userpaes are the lifeblood of people here, but it is certainly a nice feature. As I said before, lot's of wikis allow userspaces, and it's not a really big deal. Noname

it becomes a big deal when there are so many user-space edits, it slows down the server. -- MAGNEDETH 18:14, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Not to mention that some people DO join just to edit their userspaces. Yes, lots of Wikis allow userspaces, but this is the only wiki I've seen where a userpage would be more than a few lines long. Not to mention all the other pages people make for their fanfic characters, Pokémon teams, and other stuff. And "community-driven" means that everyone is able to contribute to the encyclopedia and make it better, not that they should bog down the server with hundreds of edits per day to their userpages. Like everyone's saying, begging for the userpages back is only going to make things worse, so can people please just drop it and let the Admins do their job? Thank you. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 22:40, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Since WHEN

Since when are people allowed to make user accounts after Pokemon names!! What if someone searchs a pokemon, spells it wrong, and clicks on the USERS NAME INSTEAD OF THE ARTICLE!!!!!!You could get completely wrong information!!!!!!!!21:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)- unsigned comment from Darth Cookie Monster (talk • contribs)

The userpages go like this: User:(username here). They wouldn't get usernames on disambiguation pages!--KukiTalk 21:15, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Additionally, the searcher would have to be registered, logged in, and have "User" (that is, the real "User" space, not the JohnnyRebel-inspired prank space) checked under "Search in these namespaces by default" in the Search tab in their Preferences. Since the search function defaults to only the mainspace, there's very little risk of hitting a userpage when searching for a Pokémon. --Shiningpikablu252 21:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

id like to jump in express my displeasure for people naming themselves directly after pokemon. but, i dont see it as a real serious issue, just a pain. get some originality people! -- MAGNEDETH 00:44, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

A note: Fricking Bulbabot created user Bulbasaur...Optimatum^Talk|Links27 Apr 2008

Why?User:Darth Cookie Monster 01:15, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

this site is based off Bulbasaur, so, it presumably wanted to create someone with that name to prevent it. i think the bot needs to create users of all the pokemon. -- MAGNEDETH 01:20, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Um, Bulbabot creates all users. TTEchidna 04:14, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Uhh why all of a sudden are User puuting their name after actual Pokémon like User:Croagunk.... CoolPikachu!

since always. since people ran out of originality. -- MAGNEDETH 02:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

ohh CoolPikachu!

not entirely. you at least differentiated your name with the "cool". i hate to point him out, but our good friend Porygon-Z falls into that category... -- MAGNEDETH 02:24, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Right. CoolPikachu!

Of course then there is my unoriginal name........User:Darth Cookie Monster 17:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

What's wrong with naming yourself after your favourite Pokemon? Porygon-Z 18:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Nothings Wrong with it, but There are a lot of Users naming themselves after pokemon, which annoys meUser:Darth Cookie Monster 18:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Well then THERE. | NOT Porygon-Z 18:57, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

in my opinion, DCM is a collection of two unoriginal names into one fairly original. and the problems i have with users being named after pokemon is that there are pages for them, and its just weird/annoying to see. my fav is Magnemite, but im not Magnemite, im the Deth. why not Porygon-2000, or Porygon-Y2K, or Polygon-Z, or Porygonzo, or PoryDETH? PGZ, youre a cool guy, but, your name makes you sound unoriginal and bland (no offence). certainly not the sort of person id think to angerly destroy a bad Emerald version. -- MAGNEDETH 23:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Porygon-Z isn't the original username I wanted either. I tried other things (which I can't remember) and they were taken so I just went with my favourite Pokemon. Maybe I'll just change my name to PGZ...Porygon-Z 23:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

How about, DEATH BY PGZ!!! That would be Cool.......... But would take to long to type inC is for Cookie 00:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Help building a community

I'm an admin on a James Bond wiki (I won't give the link unless I'm allowed as I don't intend to spam) and it looks like you guys have a very strong, large community here. This is definitely one of the better independent wikis out there from what I've seen of it. I'm just wondering if someone can tell me how you guys got to be so good, and if you can give me any advice on building a wiki community. Thanks :)--Cleanup man 17:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

well, i cant speak on behalf of the entire community, but i can say that having the utmost amount of information is a great way to become noticeable. organization, and attention to detail also help quite a bit. im quite a Bond fan myself, id like to see your wiki. send me a link on my talk page. -- MAGNEDETH 17:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Cleanup man, how are you? I'm an admin over at Super Mario Wiki and I agree with you on the merits of Bulbapedia. I feel that it's strongest aspect is it's sensible organization. One can find everything one needs with a relative amount of ease. -- Chris 16:07, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

New game next month

Has anybody thought that it is going to be a pokemon trozei sequal with gen 4 pokemon. Darkmaster0 03:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Probably not. The only one of the post-Emerald pre-Generation IV spinoffs that deserved a sequel is Ranger. Neither Trozei nor Mystery Dungeon really deserved sequels (although Mystery Dungeon got one anyway). Besides, based on the patten the Mystery Dungeon and Ranger sequels fell in, if we were to get a Trozei sequal, it probably would have came before the Mystery Dungeon one...--Shiningpikablu252 16:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm just wondering, but why do you think Mystery Dungeon shouldn't have gotten a sequel? I realize you are entitled to your opinion, but I though it was a pretty good game and by all reports the sequel is much better. Noname And no, I don't think trozei will get a sequel.

I'm a little skeptical of any argument that depends on "patterns", to be perfectly honest. After all, if we followed the "pattern" of last generation, we'd probably have GSDS by now. Anyway, I doubt the new game is a Trozei sequel or any sort of spin-off because it was shown to be the latest entry in a list of main-series titles. Everyone's figuring on it being DPV3, since FireRed and LeafGreen were left out of the list. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 23:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Woot, as long as they give us a GSDS, I'll wait fifteen years (maybe not)! Optimatum^Talk|Links06:37 3 May 2008

Bulbaquette?

What is it with the frayed tempers on this wiki? It seems like all someone has to do is make one simple, stupid mistake before he has no fewer than five other users at his throat. Wikipedia has entire pages on things like etiquette and civility, so why are these principles so often ignored over here? I think some people need to refresh themselves on these principles, and start assuming good faith instead of telling a hard-working, long-time contributor to "go fuck yourself" after one honest mistake. Even newbies (the ones that aren't obvious vandals) deserve a chance to improve themselves before we start yelling at them. So can we please tone it down and try treating each other like human beings? Please? --Martonimos_((Talk)) 06:25, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Once you start treating me like the alien I am, I'll start...Optimatum^Talk|Links06:29 3 May 2008

PEOPLE SEEM TO FIND IT NECCESSARY TO USE CAPS LOCK AND ABUSE OTHERS BY SWEARING AND GOING RARAR AND ETC. BECAUSE THEY ARE IMPATIENT AND RARAR.

A bit of etiquette would go a long way, indeed. Glinn Mgraw 06:38, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

There also seem to be a lot more new users who barge in and think that they own the place, insulting other users, starting edit wars, etcC is for Cookie 12:53, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Etiquette and civility are cool, yeah. But by far, my favorite creed is don't be a dick. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 15:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

A-heh. Of course, this is a prime example of Gabe's famous theory (link may not be suitable for people afraid of swear words).

DCM, can you provide an example of what you're talking about? The way I see it, the newbie shows up, makes one mistake, and suddenly gets the entire site on his talk page telling him where to shove it. It's true that some people are destructive and need to be dealt with, but I find that long-time users are much more hostile than most newbies ever are. Another Wikipedia policy we should look at is don't bite the newbies.

Flystar5555 is a good example. Although he wasn't new, he got on for the first time in a while, screwed up, and suddenly had two users making fun of him because he doesn't have the font packs to render dots, stars, and Japanese characters (I have the same problem; half the site appears to me as question marks) until Kenji-girl stepped in to calm things down. I mean, seriously, why can't we just be nice to each other for a change? We should use our edit summaries to summarize edits, not criticize the last person to touch the page. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 22:05, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Having a few friendly users really makes a huge difference, I can say that from experience. As a matter of fact, shortly after I first joined GuildWiki, I was trying to make a page in my userspace. At the time, I didn't know how to do this, so as a test, I made the ??? article. I was pretty confused when it wasn't there three minutes later (someone had spotted and deleted it, because it was in mainspace). I ended up creating it multiple times, and didn't realize what I was doing until someone told me to stop. He was friendly enough about it though, and after letting me explain what I was trying to do, the user an an admin explained how to do it, instead of getting mad.

Less then a year later, I'm part of the 0.06% of the userbase with admin rights there. Imagine if someone had just seen my first edits as vandalism and blocked me right away instead. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 22:44, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Or if they had yelled at you for it and scared you away from the site. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 23:15, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I was just thinking, what about having a few admins for specifically the User:/User talk pages. I have seen a flooding of this, and unfortunately, they are always not the most productive conversations. How about having a few admins whos's job it is to basically watch the user/ user talk pages?C is for Cookie 21:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

So, kind of like moderators is to forums as [proposed idea] is to Bulbapedia? I simply think it would be a good idea to have a couple more admins. May I suggest PH34R? --ニョロトノ666 22:13, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I think I am explaining myself badly, but basically add more admin, so more people will be able to prevent the abuse or vandalism of bulbapediaC is for Cookie 22:21, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Some more guidelines might do that job just as well (I'm not really in favor of userspace policies, but official guidelines on what not to use userspace for would be good). Right now, you can't really complain to users who spam userspace; they're not breaking any rules, and most of them don't really know of any harm they could be doing. A simple guideline or two that just explains why and why not to post certain conversations on Bulbapedia might help; just some unofficial rules, etc.

To be completely fair, simple conversations won't lag the whole server down much, it's just a problem if lots of people are editing all at the same time. Say, fifteen~ conversations going on at once, that could just as easily be going on via instant messenger... -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 04:50, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

W-ell... the admins were looking for some people to monitor the User space, to make sure people don't edit it too much after they lift the ban. I don't think they were planning on giving them administrative powers, but it could make it a lot easier... they could protect the userpages to prevent them from being edited too much. Still, I doubt they would want to give too many more people that kind of power.

By the way, how does this pertain to Bulbaquette? Are you saying the proposed admins would be there to admonish people who get too hostile? Because I think normal users can do that, as long as they don't get overly hostile themselves. It's not like admins are immune from feeling anger, either. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 05:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

ATTENTION: ALL GOOD BATTLERS/ANYONE WHO WANTS TO LOOK o.O

• For all good battlers (or anyone else), i have an announcement:
• I have been chosen for recruiting for a new "secret site"
• If you are interested, post on my talk page, or post after this, and i will get to you
• You will be selected after you are tested. You will be assigned a tester when i get to you
• Thanks Patriotfan09 21:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

New Announcement:

• And, TESTING IS CANCELED, there is NO Further testing, so the link is below. anyone is free to join. please spread the word
• LOLWUT
• sorry for posting this, if it offends you Patriotfan09 15:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow, grow up. Ketsuban 21:47, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Help for the Helpless

If you find yourself without any useful contribs to make, the stub link on the front page and the random page links can be very useful. You can often find pages that you could hugely contribute to that you otherwise would not have known existed, or thought to be so lacking. I was amazed at how short some pages I expected to be mainstream edits were, and how many were stubs. Take a look around, and some things that are common knowledge aren't posted sometimes! This is not intended as a complaint or reason for a full-on examination of every article on Bulbapedia, merely something for people who want to contribute and can find no other way to. Theininen 01:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

If you want to tell them how to edit, we've got Unbounded tasks on the Main Page. It helps. A lot. It explains itself. Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links02:02 11 May 2008

You can help with relinking, too. Just go to any redirect page and click on "what links here". If anything does, go to that page and change the links to lead to the actual page instead of the redirect. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 02:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Search name space

Is anyone else where User and User talk is listed on there twice, near the top and at the bottom?C is for Cookie 18:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

The latter one is a remnant of the April Fools' joke. It's actually the not-quite-Userspace that all the userpages were moved to during the prank. I think Zhen or TTE mentioned the namespace would be removed later on, for now I don't think there's anything in there. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 01:50, 10 May 2008 (UTC)