Talk:Lumiose City

Name Similarities to Illumise

Should it be noted that Lumiose City's French name, Illumis; is almost the same as Illumise? Yamitora1 (talk) 03:40, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Pikachu

Minor speculation but i can't help but notice the pikachu in the picture. Either this is just because it's the franchise mascot or pokemon from gens 1 to 5 will be in Kalos unlike Unova's first two games. --Bomyne (talk) 11:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

We know that Zigzagoon (and Linoone) will be in the Kalos Pokédex. However, Pikachu might just make a cameo, like it did in Castelia City and like Shroomish did in Hearthome City.--電禅Den Zen 11:57, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

In the announcement trailer back in Jan where Pikachu is on the tower, they mention that favorite old Pokémon would make an appearance, and they showed an encounter with a wild Pikachu.

Also, while this part is speculation on my own behalf; with the emphasis on light for this city, the tower's tip might light up. It is also likely, if it does light up, it does so possibly with the aid of a (Electric-Type) Pokémon much in the same way that the lighthouse in Olivine City (did I get the right city, been a long time since I played G&S.) Plus Pikachu was shown using its electricity on top of the tower in the announcement trailer. I wouldn't be surprise if a whole slew of Electric-Type Pokémon could be found in and near Lumiose City. But, we'll have to wait and see. Yamitora1 (talk) 21:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Well it would go with the name (Luminose=Light=Electricity=Electric Pokemon). And yes Yamitora the city you are thinking of is Olivine City. Nuckles123 (talk) 21:33, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Tourism

Why does this page sound like it has been taken from a travel book all of a sudden? Doesn't sound professional. Nuckles123 (talk) 00:20, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I shortened and dulled it down. I don't see how it was Touristy. Also thanks ‎ArcToraphim for the fix. I keep forgetting to do that when linking Pokémon names to their articles. Yamitora1 (talk) 01:40, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

It sounded touristy to me because of the mention to shopping and fine dining but it reads more professional now. Also, for creating Pokemon templates, do {{p|Name of Pokemon} } <--(but without this extra space). Nuckles123 (talk) 02:21, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Lumiose City Gym

In the 3rd Pokémon X and Y trailer, at 0:34, there is an image of the tower in the centre of the city. At the entrance of the tower is the same symbol that is in front of the Santalune City Gym, in the 2nd trailer, at 0:42. This symbol is the Gym symbol from Unova, so it is safe to assume that Lumiose City also has a Gym. From Kalos' map, Lumiose City is the 3rd Location to visit, after Vaniville and Santalune, so it could be the 2nd Gym, although it could act like Petalburg or Viridian and have the Gym challenged later on. Since Lumiose City is based on Paris, the City of Lights, then the Gym type could be Electric or Fairy (there probably will be some sort of Fairy Gym/Elite Four Member somewhere in Kalos), but this is very speculative. Xolotl (talk) 10:21, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

I too, noticed this in the trailer. The gym logo is also visible in a screenshot for Pokémon X and Y (I think there is a YouTube video pointing this out.), so I would think that it is fair to say that it is not just an animé variation. There have however been gyms in the animé that have not appeared in games such as those of the Orange Archipelago, and unofficial gyms, including a fake gym set up by Team Rocket, but I would think it unusual to have an unofficial gym in-game. Of course the typing of the gym is completely speculative, however, I think that the fact that there is a Lumiose Gym is pretty conclusive.--ShinyPatch (talk) 18:19, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

The odds are pretty high that it has an actual Gym, but I have to point out that it's not unprecedented to have an unofficial Gym in-game — see the Fighting Dojo in Saffron City. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:26, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Korean name for Lumiose City

Its Korean name is 미스시티 Miseu Siti.

• I suspect it's based on the English word "myth", although that would be transliterated as 미쓰. Alternatively, 미스 could be "Miss" (whether "female tiitle" or "opposite of hit"), but I have my doubts. I'll have to get back to this. -- Nick15 (talk) 23:01, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Plants and Lights?

How come all of the other cities and towns in Kalos so far are named after plants, yet Lumiose city is named after Paris' nickname 'the city of lights'? Shouldn't it be added to the trivia that Lumiose city is the only one not named after a plant? Ziggyangelo88 (talk) 07:47, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

We don't know all the cities, so we don't know yet whether another will be not named after a plant. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 07:48, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Prism Tower

It should be worth noted that the Eiffel-Tower like thing is called Prism Tower. Dinodestroyer (talk) 11:07, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

The second story of one of the north buildings

I went there and something... odd happened. Im not even sure what it was. A very strange NPC is all i can say without spoiling. You'd know it if you saw it. well whatever it was, its clearly worth mentioning. If anyone has a clue what this thing was or what it meant, that should probably be included in the article somewhere. I think it was the building with the Dojo/Dance school on top, with the 2nd floor totally empty. I can't be sure because it only happened the one time and there are no signs left behind.

So yeah. That. Anyone know what that was and can put it on the page? PowerPlantRaichu (talk) 03:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

No. You aren't the one. Yes, the dojo was on top. Given the servers and computers in the room, I surmise that it could be Game Freak, but the NPC makes me think event possibly. --TruePikachu (talk) 09:52, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Looker Bureau

Can somebody put something explaining this? I would, but I do not have the time. It is after you go to Anistar City and receive the Mega Ring upgrade. I would appreciate it, and I will help where I can.--Darkmaster (talk) 03:40, 26 October 2013 (UTC) As I said, I would do it all, but I have neither the time or the experience to do it. - unsigned comment from Darkmaster (talk • contribs)

On the glitches thing shall we put about this ghost girl?

Apparently there's this ghost girl thing which people are talking about. Is this a glitch if so put it on the glitches. I'm not sure if it's a reference to Unova about that girl in the Strange House or just a glitch. If anyone does know can someone either add it in the glitches or make note of it in the trivia section?--Hydreigonfan1 (talk) 18:27, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

It's pretty clear to me that it's not a glitch. It's just supposed to be a creepy thing they put into the game. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 18:29, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

they put a ghost (or a few) in each game, so far i can remember DPP's house where u can find rotom, there's 2 ghosts there, also the girl in the bridge and in the abandoned house in BWB2B2 --Cabasho 10:06 11 November 2013 (-5 GMT)

Sushi High Roller requirements

Can anyone help verify the requirements to get into Sushi High Roller? I know the only requirement isn't being the Champion, but I know it is one since the NPC that lets you in mentions it. I know there is something else since after becoming Champion, I did a bunch of style stuff and the Looker side quests and got access after that. Someone updated it to say the Looker sidequests are the other prereq, but that seems weird to me. Don't those also increase your style by completing them? Unfortunately, I don't know for a fact if completing that was what gave me access or not. Linkmastr001 (talk) 21:39, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I had a thought. One thing I did before doing this restaurant was participate in each of the other restaurants, perhaps that is the other requirement? Linkmastr001 (talk) 01:48, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I did that and beat the Elite Four, anyone else had that experience? -EVsandIVsaurs 01:56, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

"The player needs to have become the Champion, completed the side quest, and have gotten his or her style up in the city."

So is this meant to refer to the Looker sidequests? Because "the side quest" is completely unclear and I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. --SnorlaxMonster 17:13, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Stone Emporium

Does anyone know whether or not this shop gets more than just Leaf, Fire and Water Stones post game?--Tom (My Talk Page) 10:16, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Doesn't seem to do so. I think that's it unless you get more for becoming a full celebrity in Lumiose. I'm getting close to that stage (Venusarite is only 70,000, once it gets to 10,000 I will know). ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 10:23, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Sushi High Roller prize

Has anyone completed a course? If so, what did you get? Apparently it's Big Nuggets, but the quantities are still undetermined on Bulbapedia. -- Pringles 01:06, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

havent done it myself but the it says it is imposible to turn out profit from this restaurant... if the info presented here is correct, then its true, but the loss can be lowered to 191760 if using a double money item during the battles (such as an amulet coin). -- Cabasho 10:03 11 November 2013 (-5 GMT)

Wait... 30k * 25 = 750k; 750k->500k... so what. Uploader (talk) 17:55, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Just checked on this, 30,000 for each Big Nugget and a perfect is 25 of them. You make profit since you get over $500,000 when selling... Not sure how you would be losing profit here. Anyone mind fixing up that trivia error? Frozen Fennec 04:11, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Wrong. In X/Y, you can sell the Big Nuggets for only 10,000 (not 30,000 like in Gen V). Therefore, you do NOT make profit in Sushi High Roller. Here's my result, using Amulet Coin + Prize Money Power lv 2, Triple Battle course.

1,454,404 (my amount of money prior to selecting a course) -450,000 (entrance cost)

1,004,404 (my amount of money prior to battling) +18,720 +18,720 +18,720 +18,720 +41,600 +250,000 (10,000 x 25)

I ends up with 1,370,884 which means a loss. So yeah, no profit, at least with PMP lv 2. I haven't try PMP lv 3. But if even with Amulet Coin and PMP lv 2 I still get a loss, that clearly means without Amulet Coin and PMP, the loss will be even greater....and even if using PMP lv 3 lets us receive some profit, it's still bad, as you must use the strongest boost just to receive a small amount of profit. Sushi High Roller? More like Sushi High Troller.Magnezone (talk) 01:09, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Then let me make a suggestion as to determine this, use Prize Money Power Level 3 + Luck Incense/Amulet Coin(Doesn't seem to stack) + Happy Hour. If that doesn't work, then we will need to say that the only way to make a profit is to use Pay Day to be able to make a profit. --Super goku (talk) 01:37, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Extrapolating the results from your data.

-450,000 (entrance cost) + 56,160 (9,360 is assumed to be the amount with the Amulet Coin, *3 with PMP 3, *2 with Happy Hour) + 56,160 + 56,160 + 56,160 + 124,800 (20,800 is assumed to be the amount with the Amulet Coin, *3 with PMP 3, *2 with Happy Hour) + 250,000 (250,000 is the normal sell value of 25 Big Nuggets.) That means the balance should become a net gain of 149,440. --Super goku (talk) 18:44, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Splitting up the article

Given the current size of the article, and that it's still marked "incomplete," it would probably be a good idea to start giving certain sections their own articles. Hotel Richissime should probably be first, as it's currently the most well-developed section. I'm also planning, when I get the time, to transcribe all of the Lumiose Museum audio guides and use them in making a page for that building as well. Any objections or suggestions for further splitting? —Minimiscience (talk) 00:36, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

The restaurants use a fair amount of templates, which makes them a pretty good candidate to split off if we're trying to do it for size purposes. I agree that Hotel Richissime can be split off; the Lumiose Museum stuff sounds like it'd be more quote-heavy than content-heavy, so it might be suited more as a subpage of this article than its own article, though that's probably something for a staff member to decide. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 00:41, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Lumiose Museum would have a lot of quotes, though (there are 20-30 paintings in it), and some of the paintings appear to be art from previous games that's already on the Archives, so I'd imagine we'd want to include those in the Museum's section/article, making it longer and more article-worthy. —Minimiscience (talk) 00:51, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd say this article could certainly use splitting up. The Hotel Richissime and Lumiose Museum getting their own pages would work. Restaurants maybe. --SnorlaxMonster 03:31, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Hotel Richissime is now a separate article. —Minimiscience (talk) 04:19, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Lumiose Museum is now an article. The formatting could probably use some work. —Minimiscience (talk) 09:31, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Pokemon Centers

Should it be noted that Lumiose City is the first and only city in the entire Pokemon World to have more than one Pokemon Center within the city? I'm a bit surprised nobody has brought this up. - unsigned comment from Noah★ (talk • contribs) 17:38, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

That's because it's not. Ever Grande City was the first. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:43, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Rare Soda and Ultra Rare Soda Evoltuion

Ok, so I bought an Ultra Rare Soda (50,000 pokedollars), gave it to my lv 34 Servine which increased its level to lv 39, and she did not evolve. Is this possibly only Ultra Rare Soda, or does also raise level but does not invoke evolution?Yamitora1 (talk) 06:50, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Restaurants

Has anyone really figured out how the restaurants are scored aside from number of turns and Pokémon fainted? For some reason, I actually got 24 Balm Mushrooms in Le Wow when I completed the entire Double Battle course in 10 turns and no faints, but actually got a smaller reward (around 19-21) when I completed the entire thing in one turn per battle. From what I've seen, at least, you seem to get a better reward for getting closer to the designated turn count over taken the least possible amount of turns. This really doesn't seem right and I'm starting to think that there is more to the scoring. Schiffy (瀬藤健二) (Talk Contribs) 22:01,1/13/2014 (UTC)

I don't see what you're having an issue with... You're not supposed to go for the least possible amount of turns, since the point is to hit the target number of turns exactly. Going over or under will detract from the reward, and I think the article's pretty clear about that. Unless I've misunderstood your question? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 03:52, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

"For each faint or turn difference, the player will receive one less of the reward item." - Ignore me, I'm stupid and I can't read. Schiffy (瀬藤健二) (Talk Contribs) 05:16,1/14/2014 (UTC)

Discount Coupon

So, from what I gathered from the PGL and my game, the Discount Coupon seems to have the following properties:

1. They cost zero Poké Miles
2. They can be used one time at any Boutique (seemingly on one item, but that also might be one full transaction); and give you 50% off
3. They can be sold to a Poké Mart for $10
4. They can only be obtained once
5. They go in the main Items slot
6. They have the following description: "This special coupon allows you to buy items at a discount when you are shopping at a boutique."

I can't seem to find a page of (non key) items introduced in Gen VI if there is one, so I'm leaving the information here in hopes of finding said page. Schiffy (瀬藤健二) (Talk Contribs) 19:52,1/15/2014 (UTC)

Wouldn't it fit best in exchangeable items? It's only function is to be exchanged after all. And I recall the Bulbanews article saying you could buy multiple items. Glik (talk) 21:10, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Well, to start off, I set it up here, since there's still a few things missing, for sure. Schiffy (瀬藤健二) (Talk Contribs) 23:01,1/15/2014 (UTC)

Soft Resetting Changes the Menu in the Juice Shoppe

So, I discovered soft resetting changes the Juice Shoppe Menu to some degree under certain circumstances.

I was leveling up two 5IV Charmander (one Impish, one Careful) to see which had the best Attack of the two (Only HP, Def, Sp.Atk, Sp. Def and Speed are 31IV)

Well I used rare candies while in Kiloude City to get them the first one (Impish) to level 21, then I flew to Lumiose City to see if the Juice Shoppe was selling Rare or Ultra Rare Soda. I know its a gamble, but it paid of, they were selling Rare Soda for 20k. So that got it to level 23.

I soft reset, repeated the rare candies and then flew from Kiloude to Lumiose and when I got to the Juice Shoppe, the Rare Soda was now 50k Ultra Rare Soda, which was surprising. So I was able to get the Careful Charmander to level 26 instead of lv 23 like I had the Impish one.

I have saved and then soft reset before inside the shoppe and the menu stayed the same. This time however I had saved in Kiloude and flew back to the Juice Shoppe. If I were to guess, I would assume that the menu changes based on similar math that a roaming Pokémon's route changes. This needs further investigation, but if proven to some degree, would soft resetting to change the menu be worth noting in the article/Juice Shoppe section? Yamitora1 (talk) 15:57, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, I screwed up in my attempt to investigate this further, but it wasn't a total lost.

So after I soft reset and flew back to the Juice Shoppe, the menu changed again, this time to the 20k rare soda and a 40k Ultra rare soda and a pink 2100 juice. I saved after seeing these items, now the menu is stuck as that..so it seems as long as you save before you find out the menu, it is not locked in and can be changed with further soft resets. Yamitora1 (talk) 16:04, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Restaurant Stars

It mentions in the article that if you complete the selected option for battling (Double, Triple, Rotation, ect) and get a perfect score, then a star appears next to that option. However do these stars actually do anything? Like if I completed all of them perfectly, would I get a discount or something important like that? Darkcloud1111~Fastest Hero Alive 20:44, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

I think its mostly a Aesthetic badge of honor showing that you've achieved the goal for that battle option. I've noticed no change outside of that in terms of price or prize money.Yamitora1 (talk) 21:43, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

I have just got perfect scores/stars in every battle type in all 4 restaurants and it doesn't seem to do anything other that allow you to tip that restaurant $10,000 and have the person that serves you at the counter have different dialog (treating you like a regular customer). I though it might add a star/change the color of my Trainer Card, but I guess not! --evacino (talk) 15:49, 17 February 2014 (GMT)

Do Cookies Go With Milk?

I've been buying Lumiose Galettes for a LONG time, and I've never received a Moomoo Milk. NerfPlayeR135 (talk) 00:25, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

I think you only get the Moomoo Milk if you buy a Galette within an hour of a sale starting (i.e., from 3 to 4 or from 9 to 10), and even then I think you only get one per day. —Minimiscience (talk) 16:08, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Help Needed Roseli Berry used in Ultra Rare Soda it seems, whats the other berry?

So, I saw a image of a snapshot taken of the Roseli berry's official guide entry, and it states the berry newcomer is one of the ingredients needed to make Ultra Rare Soda.

It took me a 1 hour and 10 minutes but I tested each combination of Roseli berry with the berries I have, and none worked.

The only berries I have yet to test are... Starf Berry (which is needed to make normal Rare Soda) Enigma Berry Micle Berry Custap Berry Jaboca Berry Rowap Berry

Those six berries I do not possess, so testing them on my side is impossible. so could someone test the other berries if possible? Yamitora1 (talk) 06:21, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm sure we spoke about this in the forums today, but I forgot to mention that I am willing to try to get my hands on a Starf so I can test it out (unless if someone else has tested it). We'd have to wait on the other 5 Berries you listed since they aren't available in X and Y yet. Berrenta (talk) 01:45, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

yes we did, hopefully we can test this soon. As for the other 5, I was wondering about how we even know if those are in the game or not. Yamitora1 (talk) 02:06, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Good news: I got my hands on a Starf, and I have plenty of Roseli, so I can test. However, the combination gives a Mixed Shake. Once the other 5 are made available, we can test those. Berrenta (talk) 02:45, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok thank you, that sure helps. Well lets hope the other berries are released soon. Yamitora1 (talk) 05:12, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Restaurant Template

Should we switch the current trainer template in those restaurants to the template which features Pokémon moves? (I don't know what's that called) It is better to know their moves, so we could somehow prepare in advance to earn the stars. --Yukyankee (talk) 16:03, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Style & Tiers

SciresM went and figured out how style works, and at what Style decreases Mega Stone prices. If you want a table of it for here, read more at ProjectPokemon [1]. Kaphotics (talk) 01:15, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Pokemon Center Poke Miles shop, Heart Scale?

I just moved a shop listing for items exchangeable for Poke Miles to this page. In the process, I deleted an entry for Heart Scales that was previously included in the shop. I doubt this is true (in a YouTube video of someone who's beaten the Elite Four, it doesn't appear on their list of items; I can't readily imagine any circumstance that might add Heart Scales to that shop, then), but I just wanted to leave this note so maybe other people could check it on their games. Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:28, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

No HeartScale from the guy's menu, only acquirable thru the global link shop Yamitora1 (talk) 05:40, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Juice Shoppe Berry Mixing Research

Ok, so right now I am researching and collecting data on mixing red berries together to see how strong the juice they make is.

Results so far

		Second Berry
F i r s t B e r r y		4	8	16	16	16	N/A	12	12	16	16
		8	4	16	16	16	N/A	12	12	16	16
		16	16	12	32	32	N/A	32	32	32	32
		16	16	32	12	32	N/A	32	32	32	32
		16	16	32	32	12	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
		N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
		12	12	32	32	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
		12	12	32	32	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
		16	16	32	32	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
		16	16	32	32	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A

Since making a chart with all 50+ available in-game berries would be too hard (I tried, I wanted to go on a murderous rampage using a kantana followed by Hari kari) this seems to be the best way to show the effects of mixing each berries, at least within the same color group. Yamitora1 (talk) 08:49, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok, here is a updated red berry chart and the charts for the other berries. The colored numbers will be explained later down...

Red Berry Chart

		Second Berry
F i r s t B e r r y		4	8	16	16	16	12	12	12	16	16
		8	4	16	16	16	12	12	12	16	16
		16	16	12	32	32	32	32	32	32	32
		16	16	32	12	32	32	32	32	32	32
		16	16	32	32	12	32	32	32	32	32
		12	12	32	32	32	8	16	16	32	32
		12	12	32	32	32	16	8	16	32	32
		12	12	32	32	32	16	16	8	32	32
		16	16	32	32	32	32	32	32	12	32
		16	16	32	32	32	32	32	32	32	12

Purple Berry Chart

		Second Berry
F i r s t B e r r y		4	16	12	12	12	16
		16	12	32	32	32	32
		12	32	8	16	16	32
		12	32	16	8	16	32
		12	32	16	16	8	32
		16	32	32	32	32	12

Pink Berry Chart

		Second Berry
F i r s t B e r r y		4	12	16	16	16
		12	8	32	32	32
		16	32	12	32	32
		16	32	32	12	32
		16	32	32	32	12

Green Berry Chart

		Second Berry
F i r s t B e r r y		4	12	16	16	12	12	12	12	16	16
		12	8	32	32	16	16	16	16	32	32
		16	32	12	32	32	32	32	32	32	32
		16	32	32	12	32	32	32	32	32	32
		12	16	32	32	8	16	16	16	32	32
		12	16	32	32	16	8	16	16	32	32
		12	16	32	32	16	16	8	16	32	32
		12	16	32	32	16	16	16	8	32	32
		16	32	32	32	32	32	32	32	12	32
		16	32	32	32	32	32	32	32	32	12

Yellow Berry Chart

		Second Berry
F i r s t B e r r y		4	12	16	16	16	12	12	12	12	16
		12	8	32	32	32	16	16	16	16	32
		16	32	12	32	32	32	32	32	32	32
		16	32	32	12	32	32	32	32	32	32
		16	32	32	32	12	32	32	32	32	32
		12	16	32	32	32	8	16	16	16	32
		12	16	32	32	32	16	8	16	16	32
		12	32	32	32	32	16	16	8	16	32
		12	16	32	32	32	16	16	16	8	32
		16	32	32	32	32	32	32	32	32	12

Blue Berry Chart

		Second Berry
F i r s t B e r r y		4	16	12	12	12	16	16
		16	12	32	32	32	32	32
		12	32	8	16	16	32	32
		12	32	16	8	16	32	32
		12	32	16	16	8	32	32
		16	32	32	32	32	12	32
		16	32	32	32	32	32	12

Thank to a collaboration with Tiddlywinks it has been discovered that berries, no mater the color, can be cataloged into 3 groups based on one single property, the strength of the juice they make when mixed with themselves.

Group 1 berries will always result in a 4 when mixed with themselves, group 2 berries a 8 and group 3 a 12. No currently known berry will result in a 16 or 32 when mixed with itself. On the charts above, I have marked all berry group indicators by a color, I also believe this helps a person better follow the flow of the chart since plain white can kind of blur into a wall of text.

Berry groups will also always result in the same berry juice strength when mixed with another (different) berry of the same color in the same group. Group 1 berries will always result in a strength of 8 when mixed with another group 1 berry. They will also result in a 16 or a 12 when mixed with a group 2 or group 3 berry respectively. Group 2 berries will always result in 16 when mixed with another group 2 berry, and a 32 when mixed with any group 3 berry. Whenever 2 group 3 berries are mixed, the result is always 32.

These two charts can better illustrate the berry groups and their mixing results.

Berry Groups
1	2	3

	Group 1	Group 2	Group 3
Group 1	4-8	16	12
Group 2	16	8-16	32
Group 3	12	32	12-32

I'm not sure what the best way to relay this message is, but hopefully this can help educate people on how best to get the most out of their berry mixes and better EV train their Pokémon to the specifications of their choice.Yamitora1 (talk) 21:21, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Some of this information seems to be incorrect. Specifically, values received from mixing two different groups of berries. Just now, I attempted to mix two Yellow berries, one Aspear (Group 1) and one Sitrus (Group 2), seeing that mixing a Group 1 and a Group 2 would give better results than mixing a Group 1 and a Group 3. However, I only actually received 12 EVs from the resulting shake, not 16. I then confirmed that those two berries were in the groups they're stated to be in by mixing two of the same, and finally tested mixing a Group 1 and a Group 3, which resulted in 16 EVs. It seems the values for mixing between groups is reversed, which would make more sense anyway.

Also, your original set of charts seems to agree with my findings, showing an Aspear plus a Sitrus as giving 12, and Group 1 plus Group 3 berries giving 16. It seems something just got lost in the translation to the new charts. True Hitoare (talk) 06:35, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Juice Shoppe split

I plan to add a big table (or tables, not sure right now) describing exactly what results you get for mixing what Berries to the Juice Shoppe. At that point, it's really better off as its own page. If you'd like an idea, the data may end up something like the chart at the end of this section, or it may end up more like the first rainbow-colored chart in the middle of that section. (I can appreciate if you might feel like critiquing those charts, but please understand they are works in progress.)

I don't think there's any overriding need for much of the Juice Shoppe section to be on this page. A little summary with a "main" link to the separate page should be just fine. If you want to know about the Juice Shoppe - especially if we're giving all the exact mixing results - then it's really better off as its own page rather than as a section of Lumiose City. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:13, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I think given the complexity of mixing berries, a article for the Juice Shoppe would be appropriate.

I was looking at the Juice Shoppe section, comparing it to the other sections, and it throws off the flow of the page. It has more info in it than two of the other sections combined. It seems so out of place and bulgy compared to the other sections that consist of a simple introductory sentence or paragraph.

Plus, once we figure out how best to implement some table(s) in order to illustrate the data, it will become even more bulky. Yamitora1 (talk) 20:15, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Could you develop a page on your userpage so we can have a general idea of how it will look and such before we make a final decision about the split? --Pokemaster97 21:07, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

...A general idea? That's easy enough. Here. Do understand that I deliver what you asked for: the general idea. I don't at the moment have all the information I want for that page (notably, "extremely"/"really" are basically placeholders for hard numbers), and without that, I don't really feel like I can make it "complete", so past a certain point (e.g., color scheme...) I won't even try yet. I am not satisfied with that as an end product, but I also don't like waiting, so I hope you can make a decision off of that "general idea". I'm entirely open to suggestions or comments. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:07, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

After discussion with some of the other staff, we'd like to see a more finalized version of the draft you made before we give the final thumbs up for the split. Suggestion wise, I think a picture or two would be beneficial to help make the page "pop" a little more. I like the direction the page is headed in though and hope to follow up on it after it's developed a bit more. --Pokemaster97 03:31, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Another user filled in the data I most needed, so I finally decided to put more work into this. I don't know how you expected me to add any pictures when this whole site is fishing for anything it can use, so instead, I decided to rework it so the information is laid out more evenly.

I've still put off choosing a cohesive color scheme, but except for that (and the missing friendship data for the <Color> Juices), I consider that page complete, so I'd appreciate it if you could say whether (color scheme aside) that'd be worth a thumbs up now.

...Actually, I'm also not sure what categories to give it, so maybe you could suggest (or add) a few? Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:58, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

I went ahead and added some info on the berry groups and whatnot to the article's Juice Shoppe section. My worse fear was that it would make that section bulky, and I was right. Yamitora1 (talk) 00:39, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

I agree wholeheartedly about the split. The Juice Shoppe section is too large. Mr. Guye (talk) 17:47, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Demographics

Just wondering, but does anybody know what the population of Lumiose City is, because I noticed a lack of demographics section and a population number in the Kalos Region page. - unsigned comment from Zallaraxium (talk • contribs)

Would the disappearing pedestrians be counted? Castelia has them too and yet has a stated population of 127. I would think only stationary residents are counted. --TheVeryBest 04:44, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

I would think so, I wouldn't really know as I a new here. Zallaraxium (talk) 10:59, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Taxi drivers count too. CycloneGU (talk) 15:16, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

It has been added now, 416 people, that easily dwarfs all of the oter large cities Zallaraxium (talk) 20:07, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Pearl Strings and Furfrou styling

So, I'm on a solid 18 days straight with my lovely Furfrou, and I'm not actually given any Pearl Strings by the only Madame in the shop. I must ask, where was this information gained? I believe it may be false. I can't seem to find good proof, but perhaps someone else can test this? Thieverpedia (talk) 23:28, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

The article states that the Pearl Strings are from a Madame in Café Woof, not Friseur Furfrou (which is next door). Are you sure you're looking in the correct building? —Minimiscience (talk) 15:37, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Ah. That was the problem. I must have missed it when I was reading the small text on my tablet. Thanks for clearing that up! Thieverpedia (talk) 04:51, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Stylishness Redirects?

I realise that there's already a redirect for "style", linking to the 'Style' section of this article, but should there also be redirects for 'Stylish' and 'Stylishness' to make them easier to find? Just an idea. –Ben10do (talk) 17:41, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Not to mention a table explaining how Style works, which is info we've had since February… --TheVeryBest 04:44, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Stone Emporium's Mega Stone

I picked Bulbasaur as my Kanto starter and this article makes it seem like I can buy either Charizardite X or Blastoisinite now and the other in the post-game. However, the NPC will only sell me Charizardite X. I'm pretty sure this means that you actually have no choice in the order of Mega Stones, and that the first buyable one is for the starter with the advantage over yours, but I came here first as a formality. If I'm right, this distinction needs to be stated in the Stone Emporium section. Furthermore, these Mega Stones aren't shown anywhere in the items section, only the ones given by Prof. Sycamore. They belong here in a separate table that explains that they are sold by the elderly man in the Emporium, not the clerk, and with the aforementioned restrictions. --TheVeryBest 04:44, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I think I chose Squirtle (I already had Fennekin) and I'm being given the Venusaurite first. I think you are correct. Though it would have someone with Charizard chosen first to confirm this since it could also be going in stone order, with the Venusaurite first unless already claimed by choosing Bulbasaur. CycloneGU (talk) 15:21, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Style/lottery

I just added data for style (thanks in part to info from a link above). I've not proceeded to (or especially near) the post-game as yet, so I couldn't add data for stuff like Sushi High Roller, but there's one really big question that stands out...style increases for the lottery.

When I didn't get any match at the lottery, I got 0 style. When I only matched 1 digit, I got 1 style. ...I don't know about any higher matches right now; while it'd make sense if the style increase equals the size of the match, that's just a guess right now. The big problem here is that it seems lotto numbers don't soft reset easily. So it'd be a big help if anyone who doesn't have max style could try the lotto and see how much style is increased if they get a 2-digit or larger match. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:28, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Is there really a Rare Soda $40,000?

Ok, this has been bugging me for a while now. Can someone verify if there really is a Rare Soda (Not Ultra Rare Soda) that costs $40,000 and increases level by 4?

I've run across lots of $30,000 Rare Sodas from the man, but I can't recall running into a $40,000 Rare Soda, Only Ultra Rare Soda $40,000.

It kind of seems pointless to have both a Rare Soda that raises lv by 4, and also have a Ultra Rare Soda that raises lv by 4. Why on green earth would GameFreak program in such a repetitive thing? Yamitora1 (talk) 07:34, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I've soft reset 20 times and have not come across a Rare Soda $40,000. I've come across 6 Ultra Rare Soda $50,000, 1 Ultra Rare Soda $40,000, 4 Rare Soda $30,000 2 Rare Soda $20,000 and 3 $10,000 but not a single Rare Soda $40,000. Does the Rare Soda $40,000 show up in a guide, or was it editor generated? Yamitora1 (talk) 22:10, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

20 times isn't all bad, but you only actually saw 9 Rare Sodas, which makes a big(ger) difference. If you could find at least 30 different Rare Sodas and none are 40000, that'd be fairly weighty.

...Which isn't to say I think there is a 40000 Rare Soda. Another user previously edited exactly that on my Juice Shoppe page (possibly based on information from a guidebook). I mean, yeah, it doesn't really make sense to have a Rare Soda that adds 4 levels when you've got an Ultra Rare Soda that does that (for the same price). Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:24, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Well regardless this needs further Investigating. I am about to do another round of soft resets to see if I find the mystical Rare Soda. Yamitora1 (talk) 21:31, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I unfortunately lost exact count how many times I soft reset, but It was at least 25 (had a note pad open and pressed enter for each soft reset, so the count is 25-27 with 25 defiantly the min) but I saw 3 Ultra Rare Soda $40,000, 5 Ultra Rare Soda $50,000, 2 Rare Soda $20,000 and 2 $10,000 7 Rare Soda $30,000. Next time I guess I will document each item shown with each soft reset. On a side note, it seems that Colorful Shake $5,000 exists, not sure if anything higher exists but that's the highest colorful shake I've ever come across.Yamitora1 (talk) 21:53, 7 June 2014 (UTC) Ok, I did 25 soft resets and not once did the Rare Soda $40,000 show up.

I compiled the results with a Excel spread sheet that I also used to keep track of resets. In 25 soft resets I saw 8 Blue juices of various values. 8 Colorful Shakes of various values, one of which was OVER 9000!!! (lol sorry), 8 Green juices of various values. 9 Pink Juices of various values. 5 Purple Juices of various values. 4 Rare Soda $10,000, 5 Rare Soda $20,000 and 4 Rare Soda $30,000. Again, 0 Rare Soda $40,000 to be found. There were 7 Red Juices of various values. I saw 2 Ultra Rare Soda $40,000 and 3 Ultra Rare Soda $50,000. I also saw 12 Yellow juices of various values.

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The only significant find in that test was that Colorful Shake can sell as High, maybe higher then $10,000 Coincidentally, that was on the 25th soft reset.

Given that in the last week I've soft reset somewhere in the neighborhood of 75 times, I should have statistically came across the Rare Soda $40,000 by now. The more I soft reset, the more I am believing the Rare Soda $40,000 is a mistaken identity for a Ultra Rare Soda $40,000 Yamitora1 (talk) 11:44, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

PR Video

I know we don't have much on it right now, but I think "Trainer PR Video" should be an article. We could list all the different effects and makeup stuff. GreenFlame (talk) 00:19, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I entirely agree. That's why I actually started such a page. What it primarily needs at the moment is coverage of the creation/editing of videos; except for that, it's basically ready for the mainspace. I just haven't had the motivation to make myself sit down and write that up. (It's also missing a couple of the captions in English still and a section for the makeup, but those are pretty easy fixes.)

I'll see about writing the "Making" section to my satisfaction tomorrow or so, but if I can't make myself do that and if you're willing, I might be willing to let you have at it. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:51, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I've got some ideas for an article I guess and I could handle the makeup part, but where do I put them? Also apologies about putting comments in the wrong place, I'm new to this.GreenFlame (talk) 06:01, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I'll try to do what needs doing myself tomorrow, you don't need to worry about where to put anything (hopefully at all, as far as PR Videos go). I just haven't had any motivation to take even the time it'd require. If I need anything, I'll let you know what's up. =) Tiddlywinks (talk) 06:29, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Style chart

Ocelot King (talk) 02:38, 5 June 2015 (UTC) I went into Café Introversion to get the Hatching Power, and got it. Then I went into The Stone Emporium and the Mega Stone was only discounted to 50,000. I think that the Style benefits chart is wrong.

add kalos league anime

according to the latest pokemon anime episode, the kalos league will be in lumiose city so could someone please add that? Alondon17 (talk) 11:16, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Split

This page, like its namesake, is huge and difficult to navigate. Each of the major sections of the page is already divided between the different sections of the city. If the page was split into individual pages for each of the major roads, information on South Boulevard wouldn't need to be separated by information on the rest of the city and could much more easily be managed. This would also allow space for more images to identify locations in the city, easing navigation by users. --Abcboy (talk) 01:51, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

That seems to be a good idea. But I can't actually do it, for I'm not autoconfirmed yet and thus can't create pages. AquaMaster777 (talk) 19:13, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

I second this proposal as well. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:36, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

I think we should have an overview article on the whole of the city, then link to the sections in the page. Also make the section articles available by search, of course. DoubleDeckerDave (talk) 14:40, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I created an account purely for the sake of bumping this suggestion. There's a lot of content in Lumiose city, although i'll never get to most of it in-game. Even just walking through that stupid city gives me nausea and headaches, literally and figuratively. Lusamine is bae (talk) 01:40, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Trainer locations

I've managed to locate all of the ten regular Trainers present.

• Garçon Jacopo is in the alleyway past Loto-ID.
• Waitress Paget is near Bleu Plaza, on the way to the Southern Boulevard.
• Owner Toro is also near Bleu Plaza, on the way to Prism Tower - i.e. opposite Paget.
• Chef Kamaboko is past Paget, in a hidden alleyway.
• Preeetty sure Punk Girl Lillian is near Vert Plaza, opposite Cafe Cyclone.
• Punk Guy Faust is in an alleyway north of Rouge Plaza, opposite Sushi High Roller.
• Black Belt Killian is in the alleyway north of Restaurant Le Wow.
• Beauty Aimee is near Vert Plaza, outside Cafe Cyclone.
• Beauty Anais is in the back alleyway linking Jaune Plaza to Hibernal Avenue, past Trevor's house.
• Beauty Cassandra is located just past Paget, near Bleu Plaza.

It'd be nice to note all then locations somewhere on the main page; if someone could get a simple map and mark the locations on it, even better (I've no experience with image manipulation).

--PokeMaster99999 (talk) 09:17, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Splitting up article

I agree that the avenues, boulevards, and Central Plaza should be split into separate articles. I also think that the plazas and back alleys should be in it's own section. Some subsections could be combined into their own section (e.g. Lumi Cabs & Gogoat Shuttles in transportation). I also think that "Places of Interest" should include all the unique buildings (Hotel Richissime, the Art Musuem, PR Studios, the Lab, Prism Tower, etc.) with links to their respective articles or the articles they're under. A section/article about mechanics might also be good idea.

As it stands, this article is an bloated and unrelenting superfund site. Any opinions? General Kipicus (talk) 18:58, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree. And with 7 users supporting the split since it was proposed in 2017, and 0 votes against, there seems to be unanimous support, so now it's really just up to staff to approve the split. Landfish7 07:33, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

To clarify, I'm specifically agreeing with splitting the avenues and boulevards, as other users have also supported. As far as your other suggestions, I think they are worth considering as well, but may need further discussion. Landfish7 07:37, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

With renewed support from an Editorial Board member, are we good to get the ball rolling on this? Landfish7 01:59, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

The REAL Lumiose Urban Redevelopment Plan

With the advent of Z-A's release, as well as a ton of people coming back to the site to play XY, I'm working on a massive revamp of this page. Lumiose is going to be a hub for two games with an unreal amount of content between both versions. Everything is clearly too big to be on this page. In that sense, Lumiose should exist as a megacity "hub" to lead to all of the other sections, which will also be re-organized.

Lumiose City

To start, this page is incomprehensible to anyone playing Pokémon X and Y and looking for information.

For instance, in order to figure out the amount of Style needed for the updated Furfrou trims, an early-game Pokémon accessible right after Lumiose, you could just go to the Style section of the page, and view the three tables. This key mechanic to the function of almost every area in the city is buried under several temporary tables and existing subpages that are mostly only text, but it's still there. Logically, you'd then want to go to the section for Friseur Furfrou for more information, but clicking every instance of the term Friseur Furfrou leads me to the Vernal Avenue section, not the page. So, I have to click on the Vernal Avenue page, and then go to the Frusier Furfrou section. The issue is that if I do any of these in an order outside of this incomprehensible flowchart, the Friseur Furfrou page does not have any information of how much grooming a Furfrou adds to your style, which means I'd need to go BACK to the Lumiose page and start the process all over again, or have to tab between two pages for this information.

This is the case with everything in Lumiose. Cafes are split off into their own page, even though they're all largely different and require different amounts of style to access, and are all in different places. Each avenue page (see Vernal Avenue) has barely any images, and the "location of Vernal Avenue" is just the Lumiose map again, which is incomprehensible and useless, since every page uses it.

As a wiki, it makes little to zero sense to design a page around people that MUST be intimately familiar with the design of the city to use the page in the first place. It is clear that megacities in the Pokémon universe do not and cannot fit the mould of the existing area page layouts.

Lumiose Improvements

For the very top of the page, I'm going to design a large map (using existing in-game assets as a base) in the style of the Glitterati and Snacksworth pages. The ideal would be making them interactable, so clicking on different parts of the image will allow a user to go to the corresponding pages. Even if that's not possible, we could use modern div styled tables in order to properly indicate that this is a large hub of a page, that is split into many other pages, allowing a user to go to those pages individually. An overview section (not sections, a single section) on the Lumiose page should cover, in general, what the city is like, and how the city is split, as well as its plot relevancy, including the battle against AZ at the parade. The anime, manga and spin-off sections should also stay here, even if some sub-sections within them are undercooked and lack content. Since the Lumiose City save glitch is pervasive throughout the city on Version 1.0.0, it should not be its own page, and should have its own section (which it already does, it's just tiny and split between its own page for some reason) with Glitches generally being moved out of the Trivia section wholesale, as one of them is particularly relevant and game-breaking. This is especially true with the inability to download updates officially as per the Nintendo eShop, which is now offline.

The Lumiose City page should also exist to house mechanics and features that are pervasive throughout all aspects of Lumiose. Style is the big one. Cabs and the Gogoat Shuttle operate differently between sub-pages, and should have detailed sections on a per-subpage basis. All shop tables should be moved to their individual subpages, since they differ greatly between areas, as is the case with the Items, Pokémon and Trainers that are exclusive to certain areas.

For the individual plazas, each should get their own section on the Lumiose page instead, since some such as Bleu Plaza don't have any features whatsoever, making it impossible to create single pages for each plaza.

The design of the Lumiose page has been fractured due to originally being too big, but now that we've decided to split into subpages for each area, we have a lot of needless, smaller "main article" pages that don't need to exist. This, then comes with the task of updating subpages to be more relevant.

Subpages

The subpages should be as follows:

• South Boulevard
• North Boulevard
• Vernal Avenue
• Estival Avenue
• Autumnal Avenue
• Hibernal Avenue
• Prism Tower / Lumiose Gym

Every sub-page will have sections dedicated to the individual places of interest, though they will naturally be filled out with more content, images, etc. As mentioned earlier, Lumiose Cafes should probably not be their own page and instead will just be sections on the sub-pages, especially now that they have parity with an area in ORAS, and already creates existing confusion with the non-Lumiose cafes also found throughout Kalos. The Prism Tower stage from Super Smash Bros. should be moved to a spin-off section on Prism Tower, both of these pages don't need to be split.

Other Games

Z-A is understandably the elephant in the room. If the whole game is set in Lumiose as Nintendo of America stated on Twitter, then we are going to have to split the page off into two. If we have a better foundation for Lumiose in the present-day, then we can expand outwards off that template for Z-A, since it is no doubt going to be even bigger than Lumiose.

There are a variety of other games that this "megacity" page template might also be appropriate for. Mauville City is a three-tiered mess that canonically has parity with Lumiose and is designed similarly. Whether that should have its own page not dissimilar to a split RSE and ORAS version of Mauville remains to be seen, but some account should be taken for megacity pages in this universe. Castelia is just a giant list of sections with no images or proper trainer splits, and that's not even touching the Castelia Sewers or Liberty Garden subpages. Mesagoza is also just a list of subpages with no real content of its own in the main series games.

Conclusion

In finality, this page is not fit for its purpose with in XY, nor it's eventual role in Z-A. My suggestions (which is less of a proposal, and more that I might need help with reorganizing that I can't do on my own) make the page a far cleaner experience for those looking for a general overview on Lumiose in every aspect, and the individual subpages are now the home for the more granular content within Lumiose, instead of being split between both.

--Lewtwo (talk) 13:22, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Splitting off the Style section

In preparation for Pokémon Legends: Z-A, staff have been discussing changes to this article that could help make it easier for users to navigate.

The first of these changes would be splitting off the style section into its own article. Style is currently a section on both the main Lumiose City article, as well as on pages for its streets, such as Vernal Avenue and North Boulevard. On street pages, the style section is trimmed to only mention style-gaining actions on that street, and style-based benefits on that street - with the idea of convenience, as it only mentions actions that would affect that street. However, these trimmed style sections may imply that they represent the entire style mechanic across the entire city (i.e. implying that North Boulevard is the only place that style matters), which is incorrect.

By splitting style into its own article, we can change the style sections on Lumiose City and all streets to point at the dedicated page, ensuring users can easily get the full picture about the mechanic. Additionally, this would decrease the size of the Lumiose City article, which is currently quite large. Having a dedicated page can also hopefully make the style mechanic easier to find for users typing "style" into the search bar, or into search engines such as Google.

To be specific, the changes would be as follows:

• Move the style mechanic from Lumiose City into a new page, called Style (Lumiose City). The old section would be changed to a short summary of style, with a "main article: X" link to the dedicated page.
• On each street page, the old style section would be reduced to a short summary of what style is, with a "main article: X" link to the dedicated page.
• On each street page, we would also chop up the style section's tables and distribute them among the street's sub-areas. For instance: the section on the Stone Emporium on Vernal Avenue would mention how style affects the Stone Emporium, but would link to the full style article as well. This would retain the convenience of having relevant info listed (i.e. seeing how style affects the Stone Emporium in the section talking about the Stone Emporium), but would have less risk of misrepresenting style as existing within only one street.

Here are some sample drafts:

• Post-split "style (Lumiose City)" article.
• Vernal Avenue with its style tables distributed, and with links to the style page.

Does anyone have any concerns about this change? --Boblers (talk) 21:28, 18 July 2024 (UTC)