Talk:Signature move

Elemental Hyper Beams

In Gen. III, only Charizard, Venusaur and Blastoise could learn Blast Burn, Frenzy Plant and Hydro Cannon, respectively. The Johto starters could learn it too, but only by being traded from XD (just like Lugia and Psycho Boost). Should the 3 HB variations be included in this list, since other "former" signature moves are also included?--Darthrai 02:12, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to add it at the bottom of the page, but note that all the fully-evolved starters can learn them in Generation IV. LordArceus 00:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

You know, there's not really too much of a point to replying to topics well over a month old. --((Marton imos)) 00:23, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Skarmory?

Should Skarmory with Steel Wing be included here? After all, it is the only Pokemon that can learn it naturally.

That would be a good case to make. Question is, how many others do that? TTEchidna 03:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Hitmonlee with Mega Kick Zurqoxn 03:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

And I'm sure there are more, like Hitmonchan and Vacuum Wave. I, too, am used to call moves "signature" when they're exclusive to few by leveling up. --Johans 16:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

What about Porygon-Z and Trick Room? Though Trick Room is a TM, only Porygon-Z learns it naturally. Tesh 17:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

What about Metagross and Meteor Mash? --Mooshykris 22:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Clefairy learns Meteor Mash, though...hardly exclusive... --Myrmidom

And Chimchar with Facade, this is the same scenario as Trick Room. Tesh 15:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Level-up otherwise exclusive to TMs?

Okay, I just wanted to organize what's been said above. What we have so far is...

TM or HM	Move	Pokémon	Level	Generation
TM01	Focus Punch	Vigoroth	43	III
			43	IV
TM21	Frustration	Buneary	13	IV
TM27	Return	Lopunny	13	IV
TM42	Facade	Chimchar	31	IV
TM47	Steel Wing	Skarmory	49	II
			32	III
			38	IV
HM05 (Generation III)	Flash	Volbeat	--	IV
TM70
TM72	Avalanche	Smoochum	31	IV
TM72	Avalanche	Jynx	33	IV
TM92	Trick Room	Porygon-Z	--	IV
HM07	Waterfall	Goldeen	37	I
			38	II
			38	III
			37	IV
HM07	Waterfall	Seaking	39	I
			41	II
			41	III
			40	IV

If anyone thinks of any others, go on and add them in here. TTEchidna 23:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

As I said above, Hitmonlee with Mega Kick. Zurqoxn 01:52, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I placed it here so that we stay in a Generation III/IV scope. --Johans 04:22, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Uh, Raquazza and Fly! Only he learns through level up!--Quick Man 12:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

• coughs* Salamence. That's like his family's evolution story line. And I think it should be at least mentioned about Abra, and how he only uses Teleport.

Read this Blastoise RULZ 20:03, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Meowth's Pay Day (Generation I's TM16) should probably be in this section as well... Blue Charizard 18:00, 2 April 2010

Level-up otherwise exclusive to Move Tutors?

This might be useful if "signature move" is furtherly redefined. --Johans 04:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Move	Pokémon	Level	Generation
Mega Kick	Hitmonlee	53	I
		46	II
		46	III
		49	IV

Level-up otherwise exclusive to breeding?

In the article, Octazooka is listed as being signature of only Octillery, and Present is listed as being signature of only Delibird (just to mention some), which is true only if the definition of "signature moves" includes this type of moves. --Johans 06:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Move	Pokémon	Level	Generation
Icicle Spear	Shellder	8	III (FR/LG)
		13	IV
SmellingSalt	Makuhita	31	III
		22	IV
SmellingSalt	Hariyama	33	III
		22	IV
Vacuum Wave	Hitmonchan	26	IV

About evolved forms

Should stone-induced evolved forms be listed? Pikachu and Raichu appear in the article. However, the species that actually learns Volt Tackle is Pichu (making the Battle Revolution Pikachu a trivia section material). If Raichu can appear in the list, then Togekiss and Mismagius should, too. --Johans 20:36, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

No, I think that only the Pokémon that learns the move should be listed. So Pichu should be listed, but it's evolutions shouldn't. Only if the evolution learns the move then they an be listed. So both Cubone and Marowak learn Bonemerang, therefore both should be listed. File:Ani137MS.gifTESHFile:Ani233MS.gifTALKFile:Ani474MS.gif 15:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Splash?

Would Splash be eligible for inclusion here? A bunch of Pokémon can learn the move nowadays, but back in Generation I it was very much Magikarp's trademark. A similar case is already included on the list (Petal Dance, which was exclusive to the Oddish line in Generation I). Bikini Miltank 08:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

You're right, according to the current status of the article. But I think that kind of moves shouldn't appear in the list. IMO, in any case, Generation III stuff is the only past generation that should be mentioned, as it's compatible with Generation IV, but I still don't like the idea.

I take it this all started with the ExtremeSpeed Dratini from the trivia section, right? Well, that Dratini is obsolete, too. I propose we get rid of ExtremeSpeed Dratini and there won't be need for the ExtremeSpeed Arcanine and the other obsolete groups. --Johans 16:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

NO! Lol, we should split this article into each Generation, with a trivia section for Pokémon that do not learn a move naturally. Like Dratini in GenII. I think this would be better. File:Ani137MS.gif_TESHFile:Ani233MS.gif_TALK File:Ani474MS.gif_FUN 16:20, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... one of the things I was going to suggest was listing the likes of Splash, ExtremeSpeed and so on in a seperate table, for moves that were once exclusive to a single line, but aren't anymore. I think these moves are certainly worth mentioning somewhere in the article, as they might still be relevant to someone who's playing any of the older games. Bikini MiltankFile:Ani241MS.gifMoo, I say. 23:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

You mean like Blaziken's Blaze Kick? Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 05:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Splash/Magikarp should be there, and Blaze Kick/Blaziken should have been there ages ago! File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 05:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Magnemite

ok, sorry about that, but i think Zap Cannon should at least be there, other than the TM, only it and Porygon could learn it in Gen II. on that note, hows about Magnet Bomb, which only they and Nosepass/Probopass can learn? File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 04:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Skay. Magnet Bomb, however.. I think we should add that. Tina ^δ♫ 05:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

idk, i still think Zap Cannon should be there. i didnt even know Porygon could learn it untill a few mins ago. File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 05:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

As of GenIV, 13 Pokémon can learn Zap Cannon.. Tina ^δ♫ 05:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

As in check the Zap Cannon page...Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 05:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

ok, i thought there were notes for previous Gens. File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 05:20, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

now wait a minute...Tina agreed that Magnet Bomb should be added as a sig move. besides, the page even says, "can only be learned by a single Pokémon or a very small select group of Pokémon." both Magnemite and Probopass are Steel with magnet-ness. File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 05:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

So? That would mean I had to kick in the kickingfeet Pokémon and the chicken...Reasons:

1. They don't seem to be related...
2. Five Pokémon isn't a small group
3. Tina agreed, so I'm saying the opposite...

Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 05:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

well...

1. they are related, magnet-ness alnog with both lvling up at Coronet
2. its technically only 2 Pokemon, Magnemite and Probopass, the page lists Mag's evo line and Probopass twice (for some reason)

File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 05:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Ack! You win...Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 05:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

i didnt fight because its Magnemite, i just fought for the truth! that being said, i still think Blaziken should be on there with a note about Gen 3 or somthing. File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 05:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Capitalized please...Hitmonlee and Blaziken seems select enough...Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 05:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Splitting

This page needs to be split up into Generations I think. There are too many prior to Genration IV. TESHIGIGAS 20:44, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

No, No. That's not needed. It's fine how it is. --Theryguy512 21:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

But then we could sychronise the trivia into it as well. TESHIGIGAS 18:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Small group?

Since Mathis seems to have decided to take a chainsaw to the list, I have to ask: How big is a "small group" of Pokémon? - Cassius335 12:24, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

small group denotes 2 evo lines. so, as seen above, with Magnet Bomb, only two pokemon can learn it, with the exception of their own evos. -- MAGNEDETH 19:31, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok. *points at the top of the page* What about Meteor Mash then? - Cassius335 00:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

well, somone should add that to the page. along with the others in my opinion. though, it could be argued that Math earlier had the right idea. super exclusive only. -- MAGNEDETH 00:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Staryu

In Generation III, Staryu was the only Pokemon who could learn Camouflage. Mothim can now learn it in Gen IV. Nevertheless, I would assume that Staryu would count as a Pokémon with a signature move before Gen IV. -TIMMY

Added. Zurqoxn 20:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Really, exactly two Pokemon knowing a move is still pretty exclusive. - Cassius335 09:07, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

We're still missing Mothim on there though...I guess I'll add it unless anyone has any objections...ht14 00:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Skitty

Well, Skitty (and Delecatty, but Skitty Evolves into that) were the only ones to know assist until Generation IV, I think Skitty deserves a mention (Delecatty doesn't scince she only learns VIA from Skitty knowing before evelution).--Quick Man 13:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup

This article NEEDS some cleanup... some signature moves don't make sense and some are in a lot of pokemon, so they should be removed. I think if a pokemon prior to Gen IV now learns a GEN IV move, it shouldn't be mentioned, 'cause it's obvious that another pokemon will learn the same move (for example Relicanth that learns Cranidos' signature. in that case Relicanth should be removed). If someone doesn't agree with me, then just undo it. hfc2X 00:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

It's fine. PL12 00:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

It's fine if it's only one or two different evolution families. TTEchidna 04:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Crush Grip

What about the Combusken who has Crush Grip in PBR - unsigned comment from Tannerbro (talk • contribs)

That Combusken is unobtainable hfc2X 18:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I have seen no proof that exsits. Can someone (an admin) hide that comment until there is a picture or video shown so we can back up such a far fetched claim? The Placebo Effect 02:47, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

No, hiding comments is virtually the same as deleting them, which isn't allowed. ^Moldy_Orange 02:48, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm actually now wondering if this person was mistaking Crush Grip for the breedable Crush Claw... TTEchidna 01:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Meteor Mash

Meteor Mash should definitely be included, like only 2 pokémon lines can learn it, and like skull bash, is listed here which also has 2 pokémon lines so why shouldn't Meteor Mash be? And why is some Hitmonlee's and other POkemon's moves are asterixed when Medicham later on has Hi Jump Kick and isnt asterixed?? It should only be asterixed when the sig move has gone completely over eg extremespeed which the others rayquaza etc arent listed... ... --<large> "[[User:WoWy|<font color="blue";>WoWy</font>]]"</large>''([[User talk:Wowy|<font color="green";>><</font>]])'' 05:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)Wowy

I think this article is the most controvesrial thing... I think that a signature move should be a move that onle ONE Pokémon learns... I mean these are the REAL signature moves:

• Volt Tackle (Pikachu family)
• Pay Day (Meowth)
• Kinesis (Kadabra and Alakazam)
• Barrage (Exeggcute family)
• Bone Club (Cubone and Marowak)
• Lovely Kiss (Smoochum and Jynx)
• Conversion, Conversion2 and Sharpen (Porygons)
• Spider Web (Spinarak and Ariados)
• Pain Split (Misdreavus)
• Octazooka (Octillery)
• Present (Delibird)
• Sketch (Smeargle)
• Triple Kick (Hitmontop)
• Milk Drink (Miltank)
• Aeroblast (Lugia)
• Sacred Fire (Ho-Oh)
• Arm Thrust (Makuhita and Hariyama)
• Teeter Dance (Spinda)
• Poison Tail (Seviper)
• Ice Ball (Spheal family)
• Mist Ball (Latias)
• Luster Purge (Latios)
• Doom Desire (Jirachi)
• Psycho Boost (Deoxys)
• Attack, Defend and Heal Orders (Vespiqueen)
• Chatter (Chatot)
• Rock Wrecker (Rhyperior)
• Roar of Time (Dialga)
• Spacial Rend (Palkia)
• Magma Storm (Heatran)
• Crush Grip (Regigigas)
• Shadow Force (Giratina)
• Lunar Dance (Cresselia)
• Heart Swap (Manaphy)
• Dark Void (Darkrai)
• Seed Flare (Shaymin)
• Judgement (Arceus)

Any other move should not be in the list, because more than a family learns it. Remember that a signature is something that's from your own and no one else. That's why repeated moves should not be in the list. hfc2X 18:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree with this. Also, Bonemerang is another exclusive move to the Cubone family. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 18:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Moves

I'll add Splash becoz only Magikarp had Splash in Gen I with an asterix sign, while Meteor Mash also becoz there are some moves listed here that have more than one move per pokémon, usally two. And who said that only one family needs a signature move and when it has two it's not. I've never seen any official guide saying that. And Icicle Spear, Smelligsalt and Vacuum Wave I'll add becoz Octazooka is here which can also be bred. These moves are VERY free to undo if u wish. Oh and i'll add assist with an asterix as only skitty can learn in Gen III--Wowy 07:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Signature moves can be bred, that's obvious, but no Pokémon can normally learn them. This article NEEDS to be redone. 'nuff said. hfc2X 12:56, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

waterfall

I see someone's cleaned it up but waterfall should be included but with an * coz ONLY goldeen and seaking learnt in Gen I coz it wasnt a TM/HM there could be more moves like this--Wowy 23:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I also noticed mimic is a signatre move for sudowoodo, however in ONLY generation II because in Generation I it was a TM, I'm not sure about MIMIC--Wowy 23:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

What about featherdance?--Wowy 06:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Fact

Could someone add that signature moves are recommended for the pokemon learning them. Also, you forgot about the legendaries. - unsigned comment from Xknight 511 (talk • contribs)

In some cases they aren't. Take for example Ho-Oh in Gen II and III. He has Higher Attack than Sp. Atk, but his Signature move focuses in Sp. Atk. So it depends on the trainer. hfc2X 07:01, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorted by generation?

How ab out instead of making it so pokemon has a note saying when the move isn't signature, we make a page or section on this page for each generation? The Placebo Effect 15:22, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean have sections like "Signature moves in Generation I" and "Signature moves in Generation II"? If so, I think that's a great idea. Baby G 15:39, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I think that' s very good idea too. Rikki Kitsune 19:28, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I've been working on this for the past month, using a Word document. But it hasn't been going so well. You see, some signature moves just came off the top of my head, but I'm having trouble remembering whether or not there are any signature moves other than the ones in my document. But don't fear, I'll get it finished soon. --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 20:58, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Unprotect please

Kenji-girl protected this article because she was losing in the edit war. I told her that I promise to stop edit warring, but she's completely ignoring me. Can someone please unprotect this article? Baby G 15:38, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Platinum

Should i add Platinum signature moves, coz I added scyther with Vacuum Wave and somone took it off... Look at Serebii and it says it can learn it...--WowyXD \⁄!!!-talk 07:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, yeah Serebii knows lots of things, but he isn't very relliable at times... and you NEED to fix your signature!!! hfc2X 22:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, Scyther can learn Vacuum Wave via the move relearner in Pastoria, so it is indeed one of Scyther's moves.--*River* *Aura* 00:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Camouflage

Why Camouflage is here? It can be learned by two pokémon --CorsolaSplash 18:32, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

As long as it's learnable by a relative few Pokémon (out of 493, two is VERY few), it goes here. I don't know where we should put the threshold, however, but as long as less than 1% of all Pokémon learn a move (not counting their evolutions) it should go here. TTEchidna 01:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I kinda think it should be limited to one evolution family, ESPECIALLY if two very unrelated Pokémon (like Scyther and Hitmonlee as mentioned with Vacuum Wave above) both know the move. If you think that's too extreme/harsh, maybe if two somewhat similar Pokémon both know the move (like if they have common design elements or something). ←{Berrymaster|Talk|Contrib}→ 01:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Moves only count as signature moves if only one Pokémon are one evolution family can learn them. Besides, Hitmonchan and Scyther aren't the only 2 Pokémon that can legitimatelly have Vacuum Wave. About 30 others can learn it from the Platinum tutor. --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 21:01, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, that brings up a similar issue... moves that can be learned other than level-up by many, but level-only for a few. TTEchidna 21:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I used to think that level up was all that counted, but about a month ago, Kenji-girl said that other methods (breeding, TMs, etc.) do count when it comes to signature moves. So Vacuum Wave has actually never been Hitmonchan's signature move, since several others could learn it by breeding before Platinum. --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 21:48, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Transform?

Why signature move of Ditto and Mew is the Transform (which is written), a Fly isn't a signature move of Salamence and Rayquaza. Era64 11:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, for Ditto at least, Transform is its only move. Mew just has that "DNA of all Pokémon in it" deal that lets him transform.- unsigned comment from Phred (talk • contribs)

But it's not a signature move, since more than one Pokémon learns it by level, and Mew and Ditto aren't in an evolution family. --Chocolate 20:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

It's still a small group of Pokemon. So it's limited to who can learn it. Also once again I think this needs to be split into generations. TESHIGIGAS 20:55, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

But Kenji-girl said that signature moves are moves only learned by one Pokémon, or one evolution family. "Small groups" don't count unless they're in the same evolution family. Also, I've been working on generation splitting for a while now, and I'm almost done. --Chocolate 20:59, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

It does say at the beggining of the page that they can only be learned by a single Pokémon or a very small select group of Pokémon. So Mew and Transform should be on there. If it's like 3 Pokemon in different evolution families and it can be bred into others, then it isn't a signature move really. And thank you for splitting this into generations (when you're done!). TESHIGIGAS 21:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, okay, maybe Transform isn't Mew's signature move, but it's surely Ditto's. I mean, it's the ONLY thing it can do. --Phred 23:50, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Lucario

Aura Sphere----Ultamatecharizard 17:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

No. Several others can use it as well. --((Marton imos)) 23:53, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

ya but some Pokémon can use other signature moves and pretty much every Lucario in the anime knows it,and I'm not sure why Togekiss learns it all other Pokémon that learn it because their legendary I mean Chimchar gets Blaze Kick by breeding but it's still Blazikens move------AMERICAN ELECTION TODAY!

Sigh....This is because Blaziken was the only one that could learn it until Gen IV... ^ht14 19:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Lucario is no more Legendary than Togekiss. Not even more rare. --PLA 07:26, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Stop Removing Relicanth, Cranidos, Rampardos, and Mothim

I quote, from the top of the page: "Signature moves are moves that can only be learned by a single Pokémon or a very small select group of Pokémon by level-up (with the exception of Pikachu's Volt Tackle), usually in the same evolutionary line." So stop removing it, ok? The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 20:12, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand the idea behind "signature moves" in many evolutionary lines. Okay then, add there every other move that is in very few movepools. You, go then add Hoppip's Splash in Gen II (there was IIRC only Hoppip and Magikarp back then), Rayquaza's Extremespeed in Gen III and every friggin other move that is in 2 or 3 movepools, okay? Happy hunting, though it won't change my mind about the fact that the introduction there is wrong. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 20:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Maybe they should be there; I'm personally too lazy to hunt them, and would rather either A) Keep it like it is, or B) get the intro changed, which is what you should do if you think its wrong. The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 20:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd do the B) if I could, but I can't be sure which way (one family or few families) is more common among players and therefore my edit would be opinionated. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 20:22, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't know where the small group of Pokémon came from. That wasn't my idea of a signature move when I created this page. Maybe if the Pokémon were physically alike it would be okay. But Relicanth, Cranidos, and Mothim have nothing in common. Two different families should be the max if at all. Definitely not three. --ケンジのガール 22:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

It is two families: Relicanth and Cranidos for Head something or other; Mothim's being removed for a different move, Camoflouge or however its spelled. The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 22:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Either way, either Relicanth needs to be added because it also knows Head Smash (and is more adept at using it due to Rock Head) or Cranidos/Ramparados need to be removed.--JacobCrystal 16:15, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

This page is in need of SERIOUS clean-up.

Some moves are counted as signature when they're limited to one Pokémon. Some are counted when they're limited to two Pokémon. Some three Pokémon. Where's the limit? I think two families should be the most.(Branched families are fine.) I'd prefer only one family, but I'll accept anything, just agree on something.

Some moves are counted as "signature" if they're limited to one(or a few) Pokémon NATURALLY...other moves are counted if they're limited OVERALL. I think that TMs/HMs/tutors/"bonus" moves should not matter, Waterfall is still Goldeen and Seaking's signature move. I'd accept the other way too, but it needs to be CONSISTENT.

Not to mention a few of the asterisks are wrong...and some without asterisks could use some. Or it could be split to generations, but I think asterisks work just fine.

The Pikachu that knows Volt Tackle doesn't need to be in the one-off section. Yes, it's only Pichu's signature move...but Pikachus can normally learn it by evolving from Pichu! Pikachu shouldn't be in the table, that is correct, but it doesn't need to be in the one-off either. That should be for examples that COULD NOT happen otherwise, like the Dratini with ExtremeSpeed.Flint A 20:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

My opinion is that if a move can be learned by any or all of the Pokémon of one family naturally or by TM, it is a signature move. If a move is shared with an other family or it is a TM that can be used or a move tutor move that can be taught on more than the family in question, it is not a signature move. Event Pokémon are obviously excluded. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 22:48, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

That sounds fine to me, a more "exclusive" definition of signature move. Although if something was a signature move at one point, I'd expect it there with an asterisk. The most important thing is that a definition is made. "More is lost by indecision than by wrong decision."Flint A 11:03, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

GrassWhistle

In GenerationIII, Roselia was the only one who could learn GrassWhistle by leveling up(to lv 29). There are many other pokemon that can learn it now in Generation IV, but it used to be a move unique only to Roselia(by level up). --PKFL 531 01:38, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Removing moves

Before I edit the actual page, I want to see if everyone agrees to this.

I was thinking of removing the following moves since they're "Signature" titles are questionable:

---

-Petal Dance

-Crush Claw

-Splash

-Super Fang

-Beat Up

-Pain Split

-FeatherDance

-Assist

-ExtremeSpeed

-Weather Ball

-Extrasensory

-Megahorn

-Waterfall

-Leaf Blade

---

Yes yes, I know that's quite a lot of moves to pick out. But let's be honest, These moves are a little too common to be "Signature" thanks to other Pokémon showing up or Pokémon learning said moves via Breeding, Level up, Move tutor, TM/HM etc.

If you don't agree with this, I'll ignore this. Or if you want only a specific move or two gone, I'll only get rid of those instead.- unsigned comment from Ninterror (talk • contribs)

Personally, I think it might be better to either do away with this article, or sort in into 4 articles, one for each generaton RB Golbat 20:37, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the idea of splitting them up as these moves were all once signature moves. Turtwig A Contributions Talk 00:53, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Why make a whole other article? It says in the asterisk that it was "Prior to Generation X". Just leave it as it is. --ケンジのガール 02:46, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Many of those moves are already noted as being signature moves prior to a Generation, as the person above said. However, Beat Up, Crush Claw, Pain Split, Feather Dance, Assist and Extrasensory, are different. They're signature moves in that only a select few Pokémon learn by level up, but can be taught in other ways. In the "Other signature move examples" section, such things are noted, where a move is learned by more than one Pokémon but only by one by level up. I say we move the mentioned moves to a whole new section for "Level Up Signature Moves", where we list the signature moves if we go by moves learned through level and not by tutor or TM or breeding. Drake Clawfang 05:32, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Blast Burn, Frenzy Plant and Hydro Cannon

I would just like to say that I have finally added the elemental hyper beams to the bottom of the page. Feel free to delete it if you like, but I do think that this edit would help the bulbapedia community. ----GEN1KING ([[User talk:TALK]]) 06:12, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I would disagree here. The signature moves of Charizard, Venusaur, and Blastoise have always been and will always be Flamethrower, SolarBeam, and Hydro Pump, respectively. SSBB even confirms that Charizard's signature move is Flamethrower (not Blast Burn). Andros 1337 18:13, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

In most cases I would agree with you, but by the definition f signature move on Bulbapedia, that is extremely inacurate. Though true in a certain sense, Blastoise is not the only pokémon to learn Hydro Pump, and same goes for the rest. Also, no offense, but Super Smash Bros. Trophies are not exactly the most reliable source for canon information :p --GEN1KING 06:50, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Former Signature moves!

We should have a section for Pokémon who's moves used to be signature moves, instead of keeping them with the other Pokémon. --Kimori Geckarbor Hinoarashi 13:48, 12 December 2009 (UTC) User talk:Kimori-Hinoarashi "I reject your reality, and substitute my own." - Adam Savage, after being proven wrong.--Mythbusters

Overhaul

Alright, I went for it and changed the main body to only refer to Generation IV signature moves. The list of former signature moves near the bottom might be better as some sort of table, but I'm not good at making tables and it wouldn't be like just copying the first table, as we'd need "unsignature" dates. Also, that list should not be considered comprehensive; it's just the ones that were there already plus the ones from the old list. There might be some missing.

The only controversial change I think is that I specifically limited signature moves to one evolutionary family only, but I seem to see quite a bit of support for that on the talk page and I feel it's the only sensible decision myself. --Yoshi348 20:04, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

just because you "see the support" doesnt mean you just do it, you dont have that power. it has to be definitively discussed for sure. i have undone your edits, but barring a proper definitive discussion, it can be re-added. i want to see what people think in an uncluttered manor. i personally dont see a huge problem in your way, but i also think we can find a better, cleaner layout than yours. -- MAGNEDETH 20:16, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Phantom asterisk

Pokemon that had their signature moves learned by other Pokemon with the coming of a new generation were marked with an asterisk. There wasn't a note at the bottom saying what the asterisk was for, but rather one of those things you highlight (dunno what that's called). We should at least have a note in addition to it. Flyingtypefan 00:00, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Arcanine's ExtremeSpeed.

Shouldn't it say "Prior to Generation II"? It currently says "Prior to generation III". --PLA 16:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

No, it was Arcanine's sig move prior to gen II, that is, before gen II. Extremespeed didn't exist prior to gen II - unsigned comment from Malake256 (talk • contribs)

Right. I forgot the distinction between Crystal and Gen. II. It was unique to Arcanine "Prior to Crystal". --PLA 07:19, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Metronome

Signature moves can be moved by any pokemon knowing Metronome. My Togepi used metronome, and used Doom Desire! Panther2598 thats kind of obvious i mean metronome uses a random move from every move existing in a generation and they never said that they couldn't be used they just said that they can't be learned Juarmo 05:06, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Oath of Fire, Water and Grass

Do you think we should add that?-444Zekrom 04:23, 03 September 2010 (UTC)

We should wait until the games are released. For all we know, they could be used by the other starters similar to the elemental Hyper Beams. --ケンジのガール 07:18, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Blast Burn, Frenzy Plant, and Hydro Cannon again

In Generation III, since Charizard, Venusaur, and Blastoise are the only ones who could learn those techniques, they are considered signature moves in that sense yes? So shouldn't they be added to the list and mentioned on the respective moves articles?--Darknesslover5000 05:32, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I'll take it. Move tutor?--444Zekrom 10:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

They were only the only ones to learn those moves until Pokemon XD came out, which is still third-gen. --HeroicJay 10:23, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... Prior to XD? Hahaha...--444Zekrom 07:43, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

"prior to gen ..." signature moves

If, according to te article, Signature moves are by definition only learned by either a single Pokémon or a small group of Pokémon, then a lot of the moves listed that say they were signature moves prior to a certain generation were still signature moves, (in cases such as extemespeed, for at least until the generation after) as the definition in no way implies that the pokémon that can learn it have to be related by evolution it just states either that the move can be learned only as a level up move and even then, only by a small number of Pokémon or that the move can only be learned by level up by a small number of pokémon (in which case almost all, if not all are still signature moves). because even though the way the definition is phrased it can be rephrased either way it most certainly can't be rephrased both ways because they are different from meanings from eachother but are synonyms to different definitions of the phrase that defines signature moves. Juarmo 05:07, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Ultimate Starter Type Moves

techinically, the elemental hyper beams would be no less signature moves of the gen 1 starter evolutions in gen 3 than deoxys and its psycho boost (as purified shadow Lugia knew it). In fact, probably less of one as you catch the Lugia but you recieve the XD Jhoto starters from an event (albeit an in game one but still) also if Oddish and Glooms signature that ceased to be a signature by Gen 2 is on the list shouldn't arcanine and his extremespeed be on the list too. if i remember correctly dragon's den dratini didn't count towards extremespeed not still being arcanine's signature move in gen 2 so why should the XD Jhoto starters they're both in game events. Juarmo 23:28, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Shadow Signature Moves

I think it should be noted that Shadow Bolt, Shadow Chill, Shadow Fire and Shadow Blast are Zapdos, Articuno, Moltres and Shadow Lugia Signature Moves in Pokémon XD. --★Criққѳ~* 16:52, 13 October 2010 (UTC)