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development

why isn't it notable? --Doddman (talk) 00:22, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Nationalsozialismus

Hi, can you read the talk page? There wasn't any significant opposition and the discussion was ignored after another user came in to support the information that was added. This wiki's administration seems to have the attitude of "I only want it to look a certain way lol i revert you" as evidenced by selective prohibition on things such as "sprite trivia" and when information is added you get uppity and sarcastic, then you (admins) have the audacity to never even respond to comments on talk pages and revert "bumps" to them to further suppress new ideas (overall suppress the discussion, the reason seeming to be because "you don't like it"). BNK^Talk 11:32, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

And administrators aren't kings. You also need to use better grammar if you're going to be serious, otherwise you look like a power-happy troll. I still await a response. BNK^Talk 12:24, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

It was decided among staff in private that the trivia wasn't notable as Spiritomb kinda breaks that trivia.--Force Fire 13:02, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Battle Records

Don't you think I've tried that already? I haven't heard from him in awhile. Besides, I think it is necessary to document most of the battles on here, more so than every Team Rocket Motto ever used. --Firered16 (talk) 06:28, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

A link on my talk page

Please see my talk page:I added a link on the top of my talk page (not the stuff,but link to my userpage)--Rolandpokémon (talk) 08:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Linking to your userpage is fine.--Force Fire 08:12, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit summary

These two edit summaries feature loud and yelling language. Patty Man 00:38, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Looks like it has been handled.--Force Fire 02:41, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

BW110 protection

BW110 is now out. Could you please remove the protection? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:29, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

PS. BW108.png needs a new version without the text. Could you remove its protection too or/and upload a new version of it?

BW110 is now unprotected.--Force Fire 10:46, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. :D --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:48, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

New

Hi there.I along with another user will create a page about a league in our userpages.The league will be featured by gym leaders which will be users from this site.I think you may join must.Do you? Tell me your favorite type,sprite,city in the anime and 6 pokemon that you prefer.You trainer class will be Gym Leader.Ok? Riox *** 12:04, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello Riox, Bulbapedia is probably not the best place for such activities. A more appropriate place for it will be Bulbagarden forums.

If you are talking about creating a league for Pokémon battles on video games, Bulbagarden Battle Center is the place to go to, in such case. If you are going to simply act and post like their characters, I think Roleplaying Games is rather suitable for it. Thank you. Adyniz — Wanna talk? 12:34, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Well as I am a bit green here, I got into this site just the last month so I may not know very well things here.Sorry if I have made any mistake here, and thank you for saying me.Riox *** 18:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Canon of 2nd Movie

I thought the 2nd Movie was Canon (in the same way Mewtwo Strikes Back is). During the Lugia Arc in Johto, Ash recognises the two Lugia and clearly refers to what happened in the orange islands, thus suggesting that it definitely happened. RobbieNewton (talk) 12:59, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Rewatched the Lugia arc of the anime. Ash, Misty and Team Rocket all make reference to the second movie RobbieNewton (talk) 14:36, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Ignis

What's the problem? Drake Clawfang (talk) 03:25, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Replied on your talkpage.--Force Fire 03:28, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

I do have the games, but it would be impractical and take hours to document every Pokemon that appears at every battlefield for all three levels of power, especially since in a lot of storylines you can't even access every battlefield, and what appears there each round is random. A simple list of Pokemon isn't plagiarism, if I was copying stuff word for word, yes, but I'm not, it's a list of straight facts that as you said, anyone could get, to call it plagiarism is ridiculous. Advance question then since I asked about on another Admin's talk, would it be "plagiarism" to upload rips of the sprites in the game that spritersresource is hosting? Drake Clawfang (talk) 03:32, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh. Oh. Ooh. this what I get for assuming -_-;. Yeah, I just saw you're edit summary and assumed you were taking written information off serebii. My bad. In that case, listing Pokémon is fine.--Force Fire 03:40, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh, okay, phew. Sorry for that little blow-up; I get worried editing here, I know how strict policy is and don't want to get in trouble or break rules. I just put the info source in the summary in case someone thought I was making it up or wanted to know where it came from Drake Clawfang (talk) 03:43, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

It's okay. Maybe just be careful with who you say you got from, we don't want anyone getting the wrong idea.--Force Fire 03:49, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

No problem, I've edited other wikis and am a fanfic writer, English classes and sourcing discussions about this have been drilled into me. I may grab data and images from other sources, but never direct plagiarism. Drake Clawfang (talk) 03:53, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

And uh, since I've an Admin's attention, would you mind offering an opinion on the bottom paragraph please? Drake Clawfang (talk) 03:54, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm assuming by homemade that you can rip the images off the games and such. If you can do that, by all means go for it. As for the moves, I'd say it's fine as we do list move effects in other games but you might need second opinions.--Force Fire 04:01, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Alas, I can't use the in-game images, I wish I could, I've looked for them. Homemade would be images I made myself, like this. I know it's not ideal, but it's the best I can do, describing some of the attacks verbally isn't very clear with some of them. Drake Clawfang (talk) 04:14, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that's not really a good idea, as one probably won't get what that move is (what is it anyway?). As for describing them, maybe not explain what the move looks like, just outline any differences between the main game effect and conquest effect (if any).--Force Fire 04:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Well that pic could be a lot of moves, Conquest only uses a dozen or so image hitboxes. Among others I'm probably forgetting, that's Ice Beam, Flamethrower, Psybeam, and Dragon Pulse. Drake Clawfang (talk) 04:22, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Also to clarify, the difference between the main game and conquest effects of moves is that Conquest uses a grid-based movement system, every attack hits over particular tiles. So that pic hits three squares forward, the blue square is the attacking Pokemon, the orange squares are what squares get hit. Water Gun for example hit two squares forward, Petal Dance and Outrage hit the four squares adjacent the attacker, etc. The in-game graphics show a similar graphic to that including colors, just their grid is on an angle. Drake Clawfang (talk) 04:25, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Ah I see. As you could probably tell, I don't have Conquest. The grid like movements could be implemented in the move infobox like how the double/triple battle table is. I'll ask the other admins and see what they think.--Force Fire 04:30, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good, hadn't thought of that. Move info is fairly simple thankfully, a one-to-five star power rating and additional effect, all moves are the same types as in the main series.

And on a social note, I'd check out Conquest if you get the change, it's pretty fun. Drake Clawfang (talk) 04:32, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

A problem, if you could help out, as seen on Terrera, Drilbur and Exadrill don't seem to have their field sprites, i'm unsure if they're just missing or under a different name. I'm not sure how to check the latter and can upload them if it's the former. Drake Clawfang (talk) 05:51, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

It hasn't been uploaded yet it seems. --Force Fire 05:54, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Right, got 'em. Thanks. Drake Clawfang (talk) 06:13, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Re:Conquest

The tiles could be made larger, and there should be a field to list who learns the attack (it can be small though, I doubt that any move is learned by more than five Pokemon at best). How come the Description and Power fields are repeated? All in all though, looks good. Drake Clawfang (talk) 03:10, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and to simplify the Power field, moves in Conquest are ranked in power in stars, 1-5. Drake Clawfang (talk) 03:11, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, been trying to make the tiles larger, I'll figure out how to do that. Okay, Pokémon that can learn the move will b added, description and power are only like that for the time being. As for the stars, I'm actually for images of the stars so I can use that on the template.--Force Fire 03:34, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, don't have the sprites for the stars.

Something else that can simplify the template, the middle tile on the second row, as shown on my earlier pic, can always be blue. Then the other tiles just need the option to be orange, blue, red, or blank - the game uses orange to denote what tiles are hit, blue to denote the attacker moving as they attack, and red to denote the target will get pushed back to that tile(s) by the attack. Drake Clawfang (talk) 03:43, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Okay, cool. Also, how big should the grid be, I currently have it at 5x3.--Force Fire 03:50, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't mean the dimensions, 5x3 is perfect. I meant the size of each square, though it occurs to me I should have asked how big they will be because that obviously isn't the intended size ;p Drake Clawfang (talk) 03:55, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I meant dimensions. The grid is now bigger. And Pokemon has been added. Now to do the technical stuff...--Force Fire 03:59, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Cool, it may take me some time (have college projects to do over the next week), but once it's ready I'll get to work. Also, the blue tile default should be one more to the left.

Thanks for your help with this. Drake Clawfang (talk) 04:03, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Looks good, but how does the "tile" thing work? Drake Clawfang (talk) 05:05, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Type in a number after tile=. So tile=one will highlight one tile, tile=two will highlight two so on so forth.--Force Fire 05:16, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that is really not gonna work, not all moves hit straight forward. Flame Burst hits in an X pattern centered two squares forwards, Fire Spin hits in a box pattern in front of the user, Thunderbolt hits three tiles horizontally two squares in front of the user. Like, I could supply you with the different combinations so we could put like "pattern=1" and it shows the one pattern, but otherwise each tile needs to individually be toggable to turn orange. The two in front of the user, like in your test, need the option to turn blue, and the column two in front of the user (fourth columm from the left) needs to be able to turn red. Drake Clawfang (talk) 05:24, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I...see...It would be great if you could give me all the combinations, and I'll see what I can do.--Force Fire 05:34, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, turns out my estimate of a dozen attack combinations or so was quite generous, it's twice that. A good half dozen, at least, are moves like Volt Switch or signature moves like Aura Sphere and thus they get custom hit boxes, yay. Here's all of them 27 in total. The Dark Blue are for moves where the user moves when attacking, the game indicates the user's current tile with an arrow but I think using light blue for the attacker's initial position will work better for illustrative purposes. Drake Clawfang (talk) 05:58, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Woah, cool. I'll implement those tomorrow, only because I don't want to edit my userspace too much.--Force Fire 06:05, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Mike's Pikachu

Why do you keep deleting my page MichaelY2K (talk) 12:32, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

This is not your page. It is an article, it should not be used for your personal fan stuff. That goes to your userpage. You can create it at User:MichaelY2K/Mike's Pikachu. Otherwise, don't use article for your fan stuff.--Force Fire 12:35, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Vullaby

Is this site related to Bulbapedia in some way? The text for Vullaby's page is exactly the same, as is the image. I don't know if this is an issue or not. Aggron989 (talk) 21:55, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

From a glance at the site's other pages it appears they're literally copying and pasting pages from this site. Drake Clawfang (talk) 22:13, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Report the wiki via Special:Contact there. Wikia staff will probably close it down, unless they decide to be unreasonable dicks again. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 22:34, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Aren't admins supposed to take care of stuff like this, though? Aggron989 (talk) 22:53, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

What that wiki is doing is illegally stealing content from Bulbapedia without properly citing where they took it from. Anybody can report it to Wikia staff. It doesn't have to be a Bulbapedia admin. I would report it myself except Wikia and I don't exactly see eye to eye and they probably ignore anything from me... ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 22:55, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

The Bulbapedia staff are already aware of that site and we've been working to get it taken down. Thanks for your concern and bringing it to our attention though. --Pokemaster 97 23:11, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

There is only one user registered on the site (minus the admins who went on there and told him to stop) and oddly, he is the founder. Patty Man 23:44, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Question

I noticed that you undid the trivia I posted on Cilan's Pansage. If you feel that way, I think you should also remove the trivia on Iris's Axew of being Iris's only non dual-type Pokémon and Brock's Croagunk of being Brock's only dual-type Pokémon in his Sinnoh party.

PKMNAdventurer (talk) 14:24, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Why?

Why was this page deleted? http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ninfia_(Pok%C3%A9mon)

Ninfia has been confirmed by CoroCoro, and therefore, the page should exist. http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/New_Pok%C3%A9mon_Ninfia_revealed_in_CoroCoro Schiffy (talk) 21:24, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

I know, I know. I too think it should be up, but the higher ups said not yet.--Force Fire 00:16, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Alright then, I was just a bit thrown off my the edit description of "omg." Anyway, it looks like it's up now. Schiffy (talk) 13:27, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Why not?

I don't understand why a sufficent article cannot be created unless you talk to somebody first? I find that rather restricting. Besides, I would like to even ONCE create a good article on my. SURE I can talk to Kenji-girl, but I just CAN'T SEE any good reason why I couldn't create the page without talking to someone. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:05, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for correcting me.

I read the Iron Tail entry and my mind somehow processed it as Generation III not Generation II. I guess that's when he learned it. Although that trivia point can be modified a bit. - unsigned comment from AeroWind (talk • contribs)

Also, please sign your comments with four tildes (~). Another thing, we use roman numerals when specifying a generation (I, II, III, IV, V so on so forth) and you don't need to type "generation of games" especially for an anime article.--Force Fire 05:28, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I usually do sign in the talk pages. I forgot this time. Okay thanks for the remainders! AeroWind (talk) 05:40, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

You also can't resign an unsigned comment as it gives off the wrong timestamp. Unless it is within a minute...--Force Fire 06:52, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Re: how are they misplaced?

Look at this link please:file:///C:/Users/user/Documents/Zekrom's%20misplaced%20Claws.pngGelato Gelato (talk) 13:05, 28 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

Umm...the link isn't there. Upload to a photosharing site and link me to it.--Force Fire 13:15, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Re:3 things

Ok.Ok.Yes.Gelato Gelato (talk) 01:22, 29 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

Nobody is responding.

Nobody is responding in the discussion on Zekrom. -_-Gelato Gelato (talk) 01:25, 29 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

Please Look

Please look at his link http://adventuretime.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Tavisource so I can show you my proof.Gelato Gelato (talk) 01:51, 29 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

They're all aren't misplaced, they're all correct. Even if it is misplaced by a touch, it isn't notable.--Force Fire 02:05, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Where can I find the forums here?

Where can I find the forums here? jlog3000 13:51, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

There should be a box with links on the left of the page, on of them is "Bulbagarden". The last link will lead you to the forums. But if you don't follow, just click this link. You must create an account at the forums if you want to make posts and such.--Force Fire 14:05, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Yellow Pikachu's Held Items

Sadly, I disagree with your editing. Pikachu can also be caught in the wild through Mew Glitch, which anyone can exploit without using any cheating devices. Also, that Pikachu carries Berry instead of Light Ball. As I said before, the data do exist regarding what item Pikachu carries depending on how it is acquired. It is imperative that all factual information be made available, especially when they're accurate. Not to be mean, but I want to point out that your reasoning behind removing information is based on an opinion and not fact, which is a violation of Bulbapedia editing policy. It is also my concern that if your reasoning is upheld, it will give ground to removing "held items" information from other Pokémon that can't be caught in the wild, even though such data exist inside the game paks via Pokémon Stadium 2. Additionally, I'm especially concerned that RBY Pokémon's level-up learnsets can potentially be retracted for the same reason. Perhaps, this is something that may need to be addressed. Mazion (talk) 06:06, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

The template is for legit info, ie. obtaining something without the use of cheating devices and/or glitches, which is why I removed it.--Force Fire 06:15, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps a better alternative would be to post this info in the trivia section. It is true that there is no legitimate way to obtain Pikachu other than acquiring one from Prof. Oak. Yet, Pokemon Stadium 2 already has a code that assigns an item to Pikachu depending on how it is acquired. It seems that Oak's Pikachu has a special coding that Stadium 2 uses as a basis for assigning it Light Ball. I'm simply addressing what item Stadium 2 will assign to a Pokemon regardless of how they are acquired, although Pikachu seems to be an exception to the case. How Stadium 2 does it is not done through cheating or likewise.Mazion (talk) 15:26, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

IIRC, the Stadium 2 coding was done in cases where the Pikachu in Yellow is a Pikachu you've traded from Red/Blue not the starter you received from Oak. I'm not sure, since I don't have any of the older games anymore.--Force Fire 01:57, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Koga's and Giovanni's sprites

Dear Force Fire, When you said that you use VS sprites because they are the newest, than why isn't there a VS sprite for Giovanni on the Viridian City page, or for Koga on the Fuchsia City page. An admin said don't change them to VS sprites, because they weren't gym leaders in generation IV. So I am trying to follow the admin's example on other pages too. Do you get what I mean? - unsigned comment from Agent5514 (talk • contribs)

Because that's showing that they're the Gym Leaders from that specific generation, so we use those generations sprites. Also, apart from them being new, it's also to be consistent through the article because as you can see from the article all of the sprites are up to date.--Force Fire 12:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Mewtwo portrait

Could you be able to upload Mewtwo's portrait from Stadium? In case you are, thank you very much --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:08, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Please, could you answer me? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:10, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

The main problem is, I don't have the game. I was able to get images of a Pokemon using a move in Stadium because I had a ROM, which then proceeded to crash the computer. Even if I did get the game, I'd have to do all the things necessary to get to Mewtwo and that'll take a long time (wasn't really good with the Stadium Cups). I could fish one out of the internet, but I'd rather not.--Force Fire 02:25, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

That's too bad. I actually tried that "fishing" in the first place, but I wasn't able to find the portrait, so I turned to you next. Now that I know you can't help, do you know anyone else who could be able to help me? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 04:50, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

No, not really. --Force Fire 05:05, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh, too bad... Well, I'll just ask someone else to help. Sorry for "wasting" your time. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:32, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

New Usertag

Hey, I got bored today and decided I wanted to do something fun, so, I created a usertag about how I sit and watch the Recent Changes to see if I can help. I can't post the template here, as it won't show up. I am aware that if it is put on 5 other people's userspaces it might be put into the mainspace. Here's what the mainspace template should be User Recent Changes You know, with the two set notations on either end. User Template |This user monitors the |Special:RecentChanges |Recent Changes. |Bag Vs. Recorder Sprite.png |Dark|Normal|Normal|Dark If there's anything you suggest, feel free to tell me. There's also a preview of the usertag itself at the bottom of the About me tab at my userspace.PokefanR (talk) 23:50, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

It looks alright, so I don't really know if there's anything to improve from it. Also, I already have my own personal template about lurking the RC (bulbapedia section in my infobox, fifth template). --Force Fire 01:52, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Scratch the above, Template:User Patrol is already intended for those that patrol the RC.--Force Fire 02:05, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Understood. I'll try to come up with something else. Also, is there a usertag intended for those whom constantly click the Random Page button? PokefanR (talk) 05:50, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I've been told that user patrol is for users that goes around the site looking for things to edit, that include clicking the random page button. But you can always make your own one.--Force Fire 06:20, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the information. Other than that I can't think of any ideas :\ PokefanR (talk) 06:26, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Next Episode section

I noticed your infobox template had a next episode area. Though it's a neat concept, I noticed how outdated it was. Crisis at Ferroseed Research! was slated to be the next episode in the US for months now, while Japan has Unova's Survival Crisis! as the next episode. Is there anything that can be done to remedy the situation? As it was part of your area, I left it the way it is, just to be courteous. Berrenta (talk) 15:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I left it outdated on purpose as I had planned to replace it. What to replace it I didn't know so I just left it until I figured out what to do. The reason I stopped was because it just became tedious to update it.--Force Fire 02:23, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

That's understandable. I don't blame you for finding an alternative, since I can tell it would be tedious to have to update by hand--espececially having to be on top of it twice a week. Well, hopefully you find something. ;) Berrenta (talk) 03:04, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Hmm

that surprises me, but all right. I took the cue from the Gen. VI starter and legendary pages being created already with incomplete information, but obviously moves and Pokémon are two different animals.

Speaking of: "Helioptile can learn the new Parabolic Charge move, which heals the user for half the damage it deals to enemies." I was going to create that as well, but it would fall under the same idea. CycloneGU (talk) 14:48, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Cooltrainer Clara

That account should be blocked on the archives too since it was blocked on bulbapedia. Their talk pages aren't needed as well since the user isn't coming back. Patty Man 05:40, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Since I don't have powers on the archives I can't do that, though I can delete the talkpage.--Force Fire 05:48, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Surely I should be able to add to my userpage now. Can you help?

Self explanatory really. Bulbapedia's policies don't state a certain number of edits at all that have to be made, just that you need to be autoconfirmed and have made a few edits, no specific number. I was autoconfirmed on May 13 and, uh, I've only made nine mainspace edits, but this doesn't really explain why I can't add a little to my userpage yet. What must I do to gain this right? Thanks! Tia-Lew ise 18:19, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

You still have to make more edits. We don't tell people the specific number so users don't just make the amount needed and then ditch the mainspace for the userspace.--Force Fire 02:58, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

protect my talk page?

Can you please protect my talk page? I'm getting some negative comments, and while one was "defending" me, it was still a little backhanded in nature. My talk page is no place for hating on fandoms. Yamitora1 (talk) 19:19, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Since it's night time in Force Fire's time zone, I left a message on the talk page. Though the message in question wasn't that bad, please let a Staff Member know if they continue the issue. I'm not going to protect the talk page because that's the only way for other users to contact you, and protecting the page wouldn't be the appropriate action in this case. --Pokemaster 97 19:55, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

what I'm doing wrong ?

Everytime I put anything it gets remove, please tell me why ? --Japhes (talk) 18:42, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

The recent topics you brought up are more suitable for the forums. If you don't have an account, you can create one and ask anything about why a Pokémon is why it is over there. The talk page is for improving articles.--Force Fire 02:55, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

sir please state

Can you state that why my trivia was not notable--Viv (talk) 12:56, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Page Revision

Can you look at http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pokémon_world&oldid=1924485 to see if it should be hidden? Thanks. — Reshi 643 03:18, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Regional Dex list

Wonder if you are going to do something with it (you didn't edit it in like year), or can I complete it for it? Marked +-+-+ (talk) 14:44, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, probably won't do it now (due to XY). I only forgot about it because I have too many subpages that I usually forget that one exists. If you want to finish it, go right ahead :).--Force Fire 01:08, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Done. I think I haven't missed any family, might be suitable for mainspace now. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 11:04, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I've asked the other staff members for their opinions. So we'll just wait. Thanks again.--Force Fire 11:28, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Sprite Errors

Okay, I was curious why other pages had their information removed when it was there before (most notably Koffing), would there be a spot appropriate for them then? Cloyster, Graveler, and Suicune still have their sprite errors under trivia if you would like remove them also. I feel they would be worth noting somewhere as it shows an "evolution" and increase in quality of the games and art.

Bioness (talk) 03:27, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

As Funk mentioned on the forums (not sure if you've seen it yet), but this userpage has some of, if not all, the sprite errors listed. As for those trivia you mentioned, I will look into it.--Force Fire 03:39, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

That's perfect thanks! As long as it is somewhere, google searching didn't help much and the topic was recently brought up between some friends. Bioness (talk) 21:45, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Champion trivia

For Trip and Paul I put that they are both the only ones of Ash's rivals to have battled Champions since I included Paul as well and didn't put just Trip.

J-Keni (talk) 05:41, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Since there's two, it makes it unnotable.--Force Fire 06:04, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

It's 2 out of the 16 rivals he has had over the series. How is that still unnotable?

J-Keni (talk) 16:25, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, in my opinion, he's only had 3 rivals (Gary, Paul and Trip) thus making it 2 out of 3. The rest were more of a friendly rivalry and only appeared near the end of the series (apart from Barry, who I see as a friendly rival).--Force Fire 22:36, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I understand. After the end of the BW series will it be notable to put that Trip is the only one of Ash's main rivals to have not had a full battle with Ash?

J-Keni (talk) 01:17, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Maybe. I find it notable myself, but you may need to get second opinions.--Force Fire 02:13, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Cherrim and Castform minisprites

I've uploaded animated ones of Cherrim and Castform's forms. Also, Cherrim's Sunshine Form minisprite has been changed, this is new one and here's old one (we might wanna to include both on Cherrim's page). I have no idea how you insert minisprites into the Sprites template on species page (not like I can edit that in first place), so informing about that I've uploaded these. I've also tried to do a switch on Ruby's Pokémon template with Castform, similar to the one on Platinum's Pokémon template with Cherrim, but failed.Marked +-+-+ (talk) 13:07, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Never mind, Dennou did this after I asked him. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 08:55, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Heh. Sorry for the no reply. Haven't really had the chance to do anything the past few days, nice to knows it's been resolved.--Force Fire 10:25, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Alto Mare Edit

Dear Force Fire,

I was kinda surprised when my edit was suddenly gone. However, I understand why you removed it. I was planning to add a picture, but due to recent changes in the uploading policy, my autoconfirmed user status was removed or something. As soon as I become autoconfirmed again, I will upload a picture so that you can see what I mean next time I edit. I wrote this message just so you know that I was planning to add a picture.

Sincerely, - unsigned comment from Hikari The Language Nerd (talk • contribs)

PS: I'm so sorry I accidentally posted twice I have no idea how to remove it. TT^TT

That's ok. While I still don't see it, I'll just leave it until someone else objects it.--Force Fire 03:46, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Spam Bots

A serious problem we've got here and on Bulbanews regarding spam bots. If you want to know, I've got connections to somebody that might hopefully reduce the amount of spambots we get each day. I know, since my origin wiki rarely gets one these days. I'm just letting you know, in case you are interested. ;) UxieLover1994 (talk) 05:35, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Red and Blue Artwork, but its not Sep 30th

Red and Blue Artwork is showing up everywhere but its not September 30th. Yamitora1 (talk) 20:50, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

See talk:Meowth (Pokémon)#Art.--電禅Den Zen 21:24, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Trainer's Choice

The question was "Which one of these Pokémon is the best choice to battle Camerupt?", not "Which one of these Pokémon is a good choice to battle Camerupt?". And as I explained in my edit summary, Nuzleaf is the best choice, even though it is still a very bad choice.--電禅Den Zen 11:26, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

I was away when you removed it again, just so you know. For me "best choice" and "good choice" isn't really much of a difference. It's still asking the viewer which one would they would choose to battle Camerupt. Also, how can it be the best choice if it is still a bad choice?--Force Fire 05:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it is asking which one the viewer would choose. I would choose Nuzleaf, because it is a better choice than Magcargo or Beedrill, meaning that it is the best choice of them. Just like how a spoon is a better weapon than a piece of paper or a mouse. I can't say it more clearly than this: the best choice from a group can still be a bad choice in general.--電禅Den Zen 09:07, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Onix's biology section

Please re-check Onix's biology section and see if what I added and removed looks closer to the standards. I used the guide you linked me on my talk page, thank you for that. I was not sure if I was supposed to delete the learnsets as the guide said not to mention moves unless they are special moves. Starballerqtpants (talk) 05:18, 17 September 2013 (UTC) Starballerqtpants

An improvement. You may want an opinion from Crystal Talian as she's the one that is the most involved in this project. Also, "special moves" only include Signature moves, as far as I know. --Force Fire 05:43, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Etymology

Official romanization of ウソッキー is "Usokki" or "Usokkie"? Also looking for a source as I've seen both and would like to know where to turn to in the future. Also, changes were not only Usokkie to Usokkii, but also on description of said name in its respected section. Thank you.- unsigned comment from Undefined toast (talk • contribs)

Whilst I don't know where exactly, you should probably ask another admin as they may know. As for the etymology part of the edits, I deemed them unnecessary.--Force Fire 09:56, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Shadow Ball (move) Trivia's

Hey, why did you reverted the trivia I wrote about Shadow Ball being used by Mewtwo in the first movie? Wasn't it correct? --Subzerobrasil 06:27, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it was correct. However, we don't add trivia that can be seen by reading the article itself, and since it states so in the anime template (albeit without the details, it just says debut), it's unnotable. And new comments go on the bottom of the talk page--Force Fire 07:14, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Poké Fan trainer class

Can you please delete this page and move Pokéfan (Trainer class) to Poké Fan (Trainer class)? Ashes (talk) 16:26, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Done.--Force Fire 02:49, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Litwick/Lampent/Chandelure Hidden Ability

Hi there, I've got a formatting issue. I'm trying to change the mentioned pages to show Infiltrator as their ability, as well as the pages for Infiltrator and Shadow Tag, but I can't work out how to put in a comment that Shadow Tag was the ability in Gen V without messing up the formatting. Could you help? --Poppy :3 02:28, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm not actually sure myself. It's a template issue, so I'll bring it up with the other admins.--Force Fire 02:39, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi!

I presume what I'm doing (see my edits today) is proper, yes?

I do want to suggest that the length of the template for learnset moves for all Pokémon (which is where I'm editing) be lengthened slightly to allow identical spacing in each of the six columns; other than that, I decided today that, every time I see a move listed as learned or able to be learned, I'm going to go to the move's page and add the data for that Pokémon and any evolutions following that Pokémon (if the evolved Pokémon cannot be legitimately obtained without hacking it into an Egg, it can be assumed the evolved Pokémon learns the same move at the same level as the earlier evolution where it matches in earlier games as well). For instance, I just gave credit to Exploud for Supersonic at Level 23, as it was given credit in Generation V; Loudred is confirmed to have Supersonic at that level by my playing as I just encountered that.

If I am doing anything incorrectly, please let me know before I do too much; otherwise, I will plod through adding data as I come across it. I am planning to breed and independently confirm more move data even if Pokémon pages are updated, and once I have the game finished and have very high-level Pokémon, I will try using things like a Lucky Egg to quickly level up baby Pokémon and thus be able to complete even more move data. I hope to make notes on which Pokémon are missing once my Dex is complete and will line up a box with babies of all of those as well! (Excluding legendaries since I don't plan to hack them.) CycloneGU (talk) 00:11, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you're doing it correctly. As for the spacing, I'm not quite sure why some pages have thinner columns than others. The Loudred-Exploud example I'm not sure of, but it should be fine. --Force Fire 03:42, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I think the spacing issue might be because of the width being applied to the top header (Level) and not to the individual columns. Look at a move introduced in Generation IV, for instance. The column for Gen. VI is huge compared to Gen. V or Gen. IV. Meanwhile, find a move we've had since the beginning (like Confusion) and you can see, in that instance, that Column II is smaller than others because of the way information is being placed in the cells. I think if the data were applied to each of the six columns (and eventually a seventh) that it would force each column to be that width and maintain a consistent and clear look regardless of the move or data in the cells. This can be done with a simple template edit; for obvious reasons I cannot edit it (as the template is a possible vandalism target), but I might be able to propose an alternative provided I can work in my userspace without restriction as I've seen in the past (in order to collaborate on it). I could of course just create a dummy page at my Wikipedia userspace as well, but some of the things to go in are referenced here and not there, so that wouldn't work very well.

As a plus, I even got to add an entry this evening; it seems Eevee and the Kanto starters have already been updated with Generation VI, unlike many that still show Generation V, and someone else has already confirmed there that Refresh is new. So that's been added to Refresh now! =D (Just to clarify, I went to update it and I found that Eevee's page was updated, but Eevee not added to the move page - I did the latter. LOL)

And notice how I do my links; obviously I've worked on Wikipedia before, took a while to get used to what some of the templates mean and I still find the long way more comfortable for some reason. ;D CycloneGU (talk) 04:12, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Uncertain

So on Barrier (move) there was X and Y missing from description, and I added it in and I was unsure if I should have done what I did which was make X and Y a new line in BWB2W2, make X and Y a whole new line/cell, or just it doesn't matter so I was hoping for some advice.- unsigned comment from Zackattackk2 (talk • contribs)

It is the correct way. Since the Gen IV games are also in the same column as the Gen V games. It is also done on the Leech Life page. My advice, for if your not sure if it is the right way, would be to check how other pages are formatted.--Force Fire 02:29, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Feedback

No one said a word on the article talk so I'll bug an admin quickly - I made a sandbox for the 8-Eeveelution stat chart, the lower one is a table, the upper one is set up currently as a table but was subst'd from a template at my second sandbox and could be encoded as such. What shall I do? Drake Clawfang (talk) 02:55, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

In my opinion, I prefer the top one, mainly because I feel using the sprites is nicer and clearer* than the mini sprites.--Force Fire 03:36, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Check that. I'll move the template out to the mainspace, I'll keep both designs in the sandbox just in case though. Drake Clawfang (talk) 19:37, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Crap, problem. The template's innate coding for auto-linking the images links Sylveon's artwork at full size. Drake Clawfang (talk) 19:40, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I see. I think just leaving it at the 000 image would be a good idea, and just change it once the sprite has been uploaded.--Force Fire 02:44, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Headbutt

I think it's time to break up this page. See User:CycloneGU/Headbutt for something I'm suggesting to do with the mechanic from the Generation II games and remakes. I think breaking this off and linking it as a separate document will greatly assist with the ability to save changes to the original page, to which I have tried a couple dozen times with failure to edit Gen. VI data in the current state.

If you like the idea, feel free to move the page in my userspace to the article space after making any changes you think necessary (this includes, with the move, an appropriate title; I am thinking a page specifically about the Headbutt mechanic in those games, if that helps), and then one of us can clean up the main page and set a new link.

The reason for this: so we can continue to maintain the page. Right now, if we try to keep adding to it (including just the data from Gen. VI), we will eventually not have everything there as it is. Splitting the Gen. II/IV mechanic and the TM bit (since it's only Gen. II) is a solution. CycloneGU (talk) 03:33, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Afterthought: we can also set a separate page and simply transclude it into the main page if you still want it as one solid document. It would be more of a pain for those wanting to edit it, as editors would find the transclusion code unless they find the original page, but it CAN be done and keep the main page as a smaller page. Multiple pages can be created this way. CycloneGU (talk) 03:35, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I agree with splitting the Pokémon section from the Headbutt page into a subpage. Also, maybe not move the TM list from the page. I can't see what the Headbutt page currently looks like as the page isn't loading for me (which is a sign that there's too many stuff on there XD).--Force Fire 03:43, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I'll plead regarding the TM bit. Here's my reasoning:

- It's only a TM in Generation II, nowhere else (even IV).

- We can keep the header and Wikilink it with the reason.

- Keeping it where it is will leave something around 11,200 bytes of data that could otherwise be freed up (the page I've created is 22,000 bytes already)

It seems more plausible since the TM usage can immediately be associated with G/S/C only, and with a separate page regarding the Headbutt mechanic there, it makes more sense to put the TM data right there. The main page might still be too big if we leave TM there. I'm already considering dropping the TM chart down to a simple list on the sub page since we only have one column of checkmarks and every entry is obviously checkmarked, though we could also put the entire Pokémon list (through 251 obviously) there and do it that way as well on the sub page. CycloneGU (talk) 03:59, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Okay, freeing up space I agree with. It just looks out of place. The staff is currently discussing this matter, just so you know.--Force Fire 04:15, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. If you guys want to edit the page in my userspace as part of the discussion, go for it. Is it on-wiki where I can see it? I can keep quiet. =) CycloneGU (talk) 04:23, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

(Indent reset)

I forgot to note that there was this thread earlier where I first proposed this. CycloneGU (talk) 04:38, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

All admin discussion is done in private.--Force Fire 04:44, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I later realized it's probably on the forum. Hence not seen as the forum is hidden from non-staff, obviously. CycloneGU (talk)

I just tried something. Look at User:CycloneGU/Headbutt right now, click to edit the page, and scroll to the bottom of the source code. Then see User:CycloneGU/HeadbuttTM02 (referenced in that code) to see the same data. I think you can see what I'm suggesting as an immediate way to reclaim 11,000 bytes of data at Headbutt. Shall I go ahead and do that? This removes the moving TM data discussion as we can now include it on both pages just like this. I can put the single line into the main article right now and try saving it, then run a couple of test edits to see if it's working. Should we use this method, you can feel free to move HeadbuttTM02 to something like Headbutt/TMData and I can take care of the other editing from there - that is, provided the smaller-sized page saves again! CycloneGU (talk) 06:39, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

SnorlaxMonster has created the subpage, as seen here. The TM data is fine, whilst I prefer to put the actual template onto the main subpage instead of a shortcut, I'd say its good to go (the name is fine as well). Oh, and don't link to non-existant pages as they will appear on the Wanted pages.--Force Fire 06:46, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I'll start with that. Do you mind if I do a TM one as well? Both changes will clear up some 22,000 bytes of space according to a page size of one of the versions in my userspace; while the loading would still read all the data, saving the page would not, and that is where the problem lies. CycloneGU (talk) 06:58, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Check that, I still cannot save any edits. I think we're going to have to allow doing TMs the same way. All this for me to put a number in a cell. LMAO CycloneGU (talk) 07:04, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

On the TMs, I'd say wait and see what others think of this. I wouldn't mind it, but others will probably think differently.--Force Fire 07:14, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Got it, I'll do that; obviously one of the Wiki policies is that there is no deadline, so I'd rather get other opinion.

I've also notified SnorlaxMonster that I still can't edit Headbutt. CycloneGU (talk) 07:17, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

It finally went through. Amazing that all I was doing was adding a number to a table. *laughing* If the blank result keeps occurring however, then we may need to claim more space somewhere. Thanks for getting it discussed, I'll consider this done for now and start a new section if I run into the problem again on this or another page. CycloneGU (talk) 07:23, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Quickie (see Extrasensory)

I tried moving "female" to the column next to "Meowstic" since it was listed next to the number. The problem next to the number is that it doesn't show on certain backgrounds - like the pink Fairy background. It just looks like an awkward space. If no one else finds my help request in recent changes, can you take a look? CycloneGU (talk) 23:36, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

You can add a tooltip by adding note=female as the last parameter. I've already done so for you.--Force Fire 02:37, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

All right, I'll check that and look through other moves for Meowstic over Sunday. I didn't know how to do that. Thanks. =) CycloneGU (talk) 07:50, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Double-Edge

Just a heads-up that this page has the same size problem as Headbutt does. Thankfully, the second try DID save, so I'm not editing at the moment. Not sure what we can do here. All the breeding options really add to the size, and the Move Tutor data there is similar to the TM data from Headbutt in that it should never have to be edited (for now, though Hoenn remakes could change that and render the page uneditable with more data). CycloneGU (talk) 05:16, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

On a quick look down the Move Tutor list, it appears that only 20 Pokémon are incapable of learning the move. It might be more effective to list those that CANNOT learn the move. CycloneGU (talk) 05:26, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, not really sure on this. Listing Pokémon that can't learn it would probably confuse users, even if there was a sentence stating so (users are bound to miss it, I just know it). I'll discuss it with the staff, and let you know what we'll do.--Force Fire 06:36, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

On the same page, they already do that with TMs. I understand what you're saying as I have to read it twice myself; the note makes no refverence to only Generation I which is the only generation with a matching TM. CycloneGU (talk) 16:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Any update yet? CycloneGU (talk) 02:57, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Questioning This

I have come across an edit by El_shendee (specifically, this edit) and noticed that the user - a new user from all appearances - has gone ahead and updated a lot of move pages with data that we cannot confirm has actually been confirmed (see contributions). Having been independently confirming moves already, I know that just listing every single user as automatically learning the same move at the same level is not a safe thing to do as it may result in inaccurate and incorrect information.

I wanted to reach out to you to ask whether it would be wise for me to undo all of these edits in light of having already found some differing levels (see my past edits, I've often noted them in the edit comment), thus allowing those researching independently to confirm them individually again. I believe this is an enthusiastic new user who thinks he is helping but is instead hindering the ability to independently verify information. I'm actually about to use a Ditto I have in my possession to start breeding babies and thus allow me to verify a lot of move data at once; while it's possible this user may have also done so, I question whether this is indeed the case. CycloneGU (talk) 22:19, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

On reflection, I've gone ahead and undid the edit for the linked edit earlier (Outrage) and made a second edit with my updated information on one confirmed user in order to keep things clean. CycloneGU (talk) 22:24, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

My advice would be to ask them on their talk page, which you've already done. If they don't answer, ask again or go to an admin, which you've already done. If you are entirely sure (read: You've checked with your own game and noticed that his edits are indeed wrong), then go ahead an revert and explain on their talk age why you reverted them.--Force Fire 03:06, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Alrighty. =) I have looked a little more at the edits and noted that legendaries and rare others not yet available have been exempted, which suggests maybe they have been researched, but it still seems strange that someone would edit all of the pages like that so quickly. For all I know, he was pulling the data and keeping logs before actually submitting them. I'm keeping my own list of moves from pages he's updated (for instance, I just confirmed Twister for Gyarados at Lv.29, which is in his Twister edit) and can replace those individually as confirmed after reverting any edits. Naturally, the reason it seemed strange is due to updating certain moves, but other movelists (see Double-Edge for instance) haven't been touched that have a LOT more users, some of whom are on the other lists. Due to the nature of updating, it suggests data being taken from Serebii and added just like that.

Ironically, when I find a new level-up figure, I also look at Serebii and find that it confirms my finding. Therefore, my data is sometimes double-confirmed, once by me and once by Serebii.

Speaking of Double-Edge, any update on that yet? I had another two-try edit that eventually saved since I asked about that. CycloneGU (talk) 04:18, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

SnorlaxMonster has told me that he'll decrease the sub-template usage, which probably are the cause of the problem. Don't know when he'll do it, but he'll probably get to it. --Force Fire 04:35, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye out for that, then. In the meantime, I'll keep my eyes peeled for any other move pages causing problems. I'm getting a full box to Lv.60 and then baby breeding will begin (with a Ditto who will likely be beyond Lv.60 by then). CycloneGU (talk) 06:47, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Friend Safari as a location

I've been having edits reverted concerning adding the Friend Safari as a location for otherwise unobtainable Pokémon in X & Y, most recently on the pages of Magmar and Munna. I can't be bothered edit warring over it but there's a discussion going on on the Friend Safari page. Could I please get some input on this? I can't see why we wouldn't list a Pokémon's possible location and imply it's completely unobtainable, especially when we continue to have Dream World locations on pages after the Dream World itself has closed down. - Blazios _talk 03:26, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Because the Pokémon that appear in the Friend Safari is dependent on your friend, it is not fixed unlike the other Safari Zones.--Force Fire 03:40, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

The Hoenn starters in Gen V were based off a random serial code, yet they're still listed on the Pokémon's page. Why is it better to act as if these Pokémon can't be found whatsoever in Gen VI through any means? If someone looks at a page and sees that a Pokémon is Trade only, that's what they're going to assume, and pre Pokébank, what's to stop someone assuming that this Pokémon they see on Wi-Fi(that's only available in Gen V and before, according to its page) is hacked in? - Blazios _talk 03:53, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

My suggestion is that any Pokémon catchable in a Friend Safari is notated as such, perhaps with a note stating that the Pokémon in each friend's Safari is random and is based on friend code. Thus, all 216 Pokémon (guessing there are 12 of each of the 18 types, some may be fewer) would be listed as Friend Safari with a note explaining the circumstances, and that listing is identical for all 216. CycloneGU (talk) 04:22, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

The hoenn starters have Poke Transfer listed. And Dreamworld has its own tab (as in, its not under BW/B2W2; see Venonat). We're not listing them because they're technically all are available, it depends on your friends. I think what you suggested Cyclone would probably be best left at the friend safari page.--Force Fire 04:43, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

My point with the Hoenn starters was that the event itself was at least listed on the page somewhere, as opposed to the Friend Safari which is not mentioned at any point on their pages (which itself is incomprehensive). I agree that this should still be sorted out on the Friend Safari discussion itself. - Blazios _talk 04:56, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I copied what I said here word for word to that discussion (and added something else to a second discussion). The conversation has continued from there with more people supporting having the reference on each page. We'll see. CycloneGU (talk) 06:45, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Amourshipping page

Hey, thanks for locking the Serena page. The user Midnight Moon keeps reverting back to his/her edits and it was rather irritating to fix ^__^;; But I was wondering if you could also protect the Amourshipping page from him/her. That user has been trying to get the Ash's Hints section changed to his/her way over and over again... Mooites (talk) 05:10, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Ah, it seems Midnight Moon has stopped undoing the edits. Never mind :) Mooites (talk) 05:14, 17 November 2013 (UTC)