Talk:Ash's Bulbasaur

Bulbasaur's Dig

In an Animé Episode, at Professor Oak's lab, Bulbasaur used Dig to avoid being hit by a gigantic boulder that would have killed him. ~PokéSensei

Yeah then everyone was shocked and Oak explained that pokemon may be able to use moves that they cannot learn in life threatening situations. - unsigned comment from Cahillbro (talk • contribs)

Bulbasaur can also use Whirlwind, Ash's Bulbasaur has quite a lot of unusable moves that normal Bulbasaur cannot use. - unsigned comment from Venustoise (talk • contribs)

VA Question

Does anybody know for sure if Tara Jayne still plays Ash's Bulbasaur? In all of Bulbasaur's recent episodes, she's been absent from the credits, and I think she moved out to LA. -PAK Man

Bulbasaur's voice

Tara Jayne's old recordings from Season 1-6 were used and then Michelle Knotz started to voice it starting from AG188. - unsigned comment from Livinlarge18 (talk • contribs)

Tickle?

But, if I'm not mistaken, Ash only asked Bulbasaur to Tickle Psyduck, and not exactly, use Tickle attack. I'm confused! Agent #448♂ ^{DP | E | ☆} 10:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, yes, but Tickle later became a move... not exactly sure if it's a Shadow Ball-like prediction, but eh. TTEchidna 10:23, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Um, Houston, we got a problem!

Some template on Ash's Bulbasaur page is mizing everything up! The Bulbapedia 'Search' Bar is small and below the article, and your user page, talk page, and watchlist, etc. buttons on the top right are super small. Last time this happened, it was on all of May's Pokémon's pages, being cause by the May's Pokémon template. --Theryguy512 14:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Yep, it's the Template:Ash's Pokémon that's the problem. Though......I don't know how to fix it....--Theryguy512 14:17, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Solar Beam

Petty as this detail is, is it worth mentioning that since the movesets have changed for DP, and solarbeam has been replaced by seed bomb, that Bulbasaur should no longer have been able to learn solarbeam naturally? - unsigned comment from Woodland Mudkip (talk • contribs)

For starters, it's Solarbeam. One word, one capital letter. The translation teams for Diamond and Pearl messed up when case-sensitizing stuff, leaving certain letters capital when they should have been lowercase--it's always been and always will be Solarbeam, not Solar Beam, SolarBeam, or stuff like that. A lowercase should NEVER be followed by a capital except in a proper name; Solarbeam isn't a proper name. Mystery Dungeon 1 case-sensitized the move names correctly, and there's no way the mistakes from Diamond and Pearl's case-sensitizing are going to stick.

Anyway, Pokémon aren't going to just forget moves because the movesets change. Bulbasaur learned Solarbeam in a Generation I episode, and Bulbasaur was able to learn Solarbeam naturally at the time. The fact that Bulbasaur can't learn Solarbeam naturally in Generation IV doesn't change that. And given that Pokémon have learned TM moves through bull**** methods in the anime, I highly doubt we need that notation. --Shiningpikablu252 14:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for clearing that up but you kind of misunderstood my point - it was a trivial point and I was just saying that technically they can't learn it anymore, not that they should get rid of the move (that would just be stupid)

And sorry about mispelling Solarbeam the first time and not capitalising it the other times - that was just a mistake seeing as this is supposed to be informal and it was just mean as a quick question. --☆Woodland:M ☆ 15:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Pikablu, it's SolarBeam. The CamelCase is something that happens sometimes, especially with moves like AncientPower, which takes up the limit (I think... what IS the character limit for move names?).

Anyway, no it's not really notable trivia. Remember, a Gen III Bulbasaur can still have it, and that Bulbasaur came from beforehand. TTEchidna 18:15, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Lick?

When?--KukiTalk 16:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Gender?

I'm 100% sure that since Mays was female Ash's is male User:ShinyMedicham

Most people are, but as political correctness is careening out of control... TTEchidna 02:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

In the Johto episodes Tara Jayne seems to use a higher voice for Bulbasaur than before suggesting she herself is unsure. Also I've heard Bulbasaur for whatever reason is associated with homosexuality so its love for May's could be a same sex one. - unsigned comment from Z-Morg (talk • contribs)

Ash's Bulbasaur is pretty masculine so I think it's intended as male. But like most of these articles, it just isn't confirmed yet. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 18:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe Ash's Bulbasaur is indeed male. - unsigned comment from Venustoise (talk • contribs)

Yes but fans believing it's male and the anime coming out and saying it, are two different things. So it can't be verified until it is stated. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 23:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

do they ACTUALLY NEED TO SAY IT like your never going to hear ash say that "hey guys my bulbasaur is a guy/male" its just dumb and random thats why they make mays bulbasaur a female and hav a connection iwith ashs bulbasuar so they can hint at us instead of having them actually say it like seroius. and wtf homosexualty why wud they do that lol thats so dumb z-morg....wowRitchie

Yeah, keep your opinions to yourself. HARLEY!! There's all the proof you need. --☆ケンジガール 18:47, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

keep my opinions to myself wut the hell?? im making a point on the friggin talk page so why wud i keep it to myself??think before u post bro Ritchie

Saying how stupid to think that gays can't be in Pokémon is not helping. Talk page comments are to help the article not express your opinions. Go to the damn forum to do that. And I'm not your "bro". I'm a girl. --☆ケンジガール 21:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

im not saying how stupid it is im basically trying to say that it doesnt really make sense. - unsigned comment from Ritchie (talk • contribs)

oi wait my bad i thgouht harley was a real person .wow im an idiotRitchie

Sorry to say, Kenji-girl, but I believe Ritchie does have a strong point. Heck, Ash's Butterfree is considered a male, and it has a female mate. The same case with Bulbasaur and we don't consider him a male. Besides, why would they make Bulbasaur a homosexual, the only homosexual in the show is probably Harley, and the only transvestite is probably James, considering the banned episode. I believe that homosexuality thing is not likely. I rest my case. Venustoise

Butterfree is only confirmed male because he was called "he". Bulbasaur wasn't. We need to remain nutral. --☆ケンジガール 02:08, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Considering that "he" is a default name for any animal that has an unknown gender, there is no excuse. Venustoise

They call some Pokémon IT. tc26 22:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Good point, but they may have just assumed it was a male since it had a crush on a seemed to be female counterpart because it was pink. Although it is proven that Butterfree is a male, (such is the case with Bulbasaur) calling it a he does not verify it's gender, also because 4Kids makes edits that aren't in the Japanese version. May I remind you that May's Venusaur has a seed on the tree on her back, that gives absolute proof that it's a female. Although they have made a person (Harley) a homosexual, they never have confirmed that a Pokemon is a homosexual. Besides Bulbasaur has a alphamale personality, and shows leadership, bravery, protectiveness, and other qualities that male dominant animals share. If it was a homosexual, then it would've acted like one, am I right? Venustoise

I never said Bulbasaur was not male. I was just contradicting your previous statement. tc26 23:12, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the misinformation, but after I finished talking about Butterfree which I was talking to you about it, I switched the topic to Bulbasaur, I was then talking to Kenji-Girl. Also, Totodile and Sceptile are males, too, and their situation is also the same with Bulbasaur, and they're considered male. And in the games, there is no homosexuality between Pokemon, by the way, yeah, there's not a connection between the games and the anime, but the japanese version goes mostly how the games go, but it's transffered into an anime, and considering that 4Kids doesn't know crap about the games, (such as Arbok evolving into Seviper), they undo the edits so that there is no exact proof. Venustoise

I also think the creators don't want to teach having two genders in one to children. tc26 23:38, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Exactly my point! There is enough proof that Ash's Bulbasaur is indeed male. Like Ritchie said, why would they just say out of nowhere that Bulbasaur is male, it doesn't have to be confirmed, you can just tell by Bulbasaur's manly personality and relationship with May's female Bulbasaur. We're being too overly protective of this that it's ridiculous, that's why I'll step in and change the unknown gender for the third time, and given the evidence I gave to back it up, I highly doubt anyone will stop me. Venustoise

Oh, c'mon you guys are being way too weeny! I admit, I am a very stubborn type, but this is absolute nonsense! Venustoise

This how Bulbapedia works no gender unless confirmed! Read the Manual--CoolPikachu! 23:58, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Not only to what CoolPikachu said, but we're being too weeny? Half the arguments you gave could point also to a female Bulbasaur. I mean an alpha male, there is such a thing as an alpha female. Just saying. It really doesn't matter.^Psychic_Rider 00:09, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Just because May's Venusaur is female doesn't automatically mean Bulbasaur is male. VineShipping is completely fanon; Bulbasaur might be female and just good friends with Venusaur. - _s.Combusken 01:13, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm letting you all know now. Label Bulbasaur is male again on the article and I'm protecting it just like Ash's Charizard. And stop using the damn excuse of May's female Bulbasaur. Was there concrete proof that they were in love? NO! This isn't even about homosexuality right now. There isn't even proof that it was in love with May's Bulbasaur so grow up already. --☆ケンジガール 02:44, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Kenji-Girl, I know you're trying to get the point across, but the way you said it, dang. I get it now, gosh!

Also, I haven't thought of them ever being good friends, though. I don't know anything about relations, LOLz! Venustoise

ok kenji-girl if your saying that we cant use the excuse of may's bulbasaur and all then how come Ash's Sceptile is confirmed to be a male after it like a meganium?? u even said that ...Ritchie

First of all, I'm not the one who said Sceptile was male. Someone else put that in. Second of all, Sceptile was, with out a doubt, in love with that Meganium. There is still no solid evidence of Ash's and May's Bulbasaur being in love with each other. If you have a problem with Sceptile being male, I'll go ahead and remove it. --ケンジのガール 02:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

OMG another article where people don't know a pokemon's gender. Come on people May's bulbasaur liked it a lot and it is classfied as a female so what other proof do you need. Except in Harley I have never seen any bits of homosexuality. - unsigned comment from WolfMan of Light (talk • contribs)

OBJECTION. Girls tend to act openly and do things that guys often consider *cough* sexual, even though it is just an expression of friendship. So there's still proof that Bulbasaur might be female! Anyway, May's Bulbasaur is a Venusaur now. Where have you been living? Under a rock? Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links 14:39, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Bulbasaur is male

Serebii.net says that Ash's Bulbasaur and May's Bulbasaur have a romance bond. May's Bulbasaur is female and this is the proof for the gender of Ash's Bulbasaur - unsigned comment from Mihail (talk • contribs)

What a fansite says about a Pokémon means nothing when it comes to gender confirmations. The show would have to confirm this point itself. Trust me, you don't want to go insisting that we take what a certain fansite says as 100% confirmation. --Shiningpikablu252 15:44, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Sleep Powder

It used it first in Misty Meets Her Match, not in A Better Pill to Swallow. In that memorable scene with Rudy's Exeggutor. Bulbasaur had to save it from falling, remember?-- - unsigned comment from Muk-a-matic (talk • contribs)

Moves it cannot learn

"Ash's Bulbasaur is one of his three Pokémon to use a move that it cannot learn (five if Raticate and Larvitar are counted). The other two are Charizard and Staravia who used Tackle and Gust respectively. However, Caterpie tried (and failed) to use Counter. "

Charizard and Staravia? Dude, what about GodChu? He uses moves he can't use as well as moves that don't even exist about once an episode. Yamikuronue 16:48, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Gender confirmed in Japanese version

Bulbasaur's gender was also confirmed in the Japanese version. I was watching EP017 and, reading the subtitles for Pokémon talk, I saw that Bulbasaur refers to itself as おれ ore, which is a male-only pronoun meaning "I". It's the same one used by Ash and Brock in the Japanese version. So maybe that's reference to Bulbasaur's gender. --Netto-kun ^{Talk • Contribs} 17:12, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm rewriting it as gender neutral. Although おれ is generally used by males, it isn't exclusively. At the top of Ash's Charizard's talk page we have a notice that clearly states the wiki's view on the issue: "Please don't post about Charizard's gender being unknown. It's very annoying. Our policy is that the gender stays unknown until someone in the anime calls it a male or female." Since it has not been outright stated, Charizard's gender is still "unknown". --Jda95 10:36, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Whirlwind

Doesn't Bulbasaur blowing back the Sleep Powder in its debut episode count as the exact same move? I think the "first used" info should be changed. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 12:23, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

No one called it "Whirlwind" in that episode. Just the one that it is listed. Ash's Bulbasaur never used Whirldwind anyway. It was a dubbing error made by 4Kids. He only told Bulbasaur to "blow it away" and they mistook that for the actual move. --ケンジのガール 12:29, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Who Get's Togepi has Bulbasaur using two moves

Bulbasaur uses Tickle and Lick. Albeit, Tickle wasn't a move at the time, but at least Lick was. Should that be edited into the article? -- Evil Paragon (talk) 11:07, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

They were not used as moves. They were just called out as an action. To lick and tickle Psyduck but not to use Lick and Tickle on Psyduck. — Ruixiang95 12:30, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

SM042

Why is Bulbasaur listed for appearing in SM042 when Pokemon pages aren't supposed to list future appearances?Playerking95 (talk) 08:27, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Used male pronoun = gender unknown

These two parts of this page don't match, so which is it? Does using "ore" confirms it being male or using ore isn't male pronoun? Wikipedia says it was used by women until Edo period and it exists in some dialects. Here [1] I read it's weird to use ore as a girl and it just may be a quirk and that boys use ore only to sound "masculine" and "deliquent".--Rocket Grunt 12:50, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure of the complete specifics, but while "ore" is near exclusively used by males, some girls do use masculine pronouns (albeit very rare), so unless the off chance that bulbasaur is female, it seems likely.Animaltamer7 (talk) 15:20, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Japanese first-person pronouns are not exclusive to particular genders, but many of them have strong associations with particular genders. Yes, "ore" is strongly associated with males, but you cannot think of them like English third-person pronouns in those associations. They provide a strong indication of a particular gender, but are not confirmation. --SnorlaxMonster 06:29, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia says [2] this particular pronoun isn't used unless it's a specific dialect.--Rocket Grunt 19:37, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Evolution

I don't know how to dig more about this but here's [3] what seems to be an official art of Ash and Venusaur implying it was supposed to evolve.--Rocket Grunt 19:36, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Meme

Since memes are notable on bulbapedia, can we have "Surprised Pikachu Face" mentioned at Bulbasaur's "blow away attack" which caused the surprise?--Rocket Grunt 13:35, 13 August 2023 (UTC)