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Congratulations!

Because of your work on the Missingno. article, I, Missingno. Master, do hereby award you the Golden Missingno. Award for the month of March 2009! Simply copy {{User:Missingno. Master/Template: User recieved GoldenGlitch|March 2009}}, and paste it onto your userpage. You are the first person to ever win this award from me. Again, I say, congratulations, and thanks for working on the Glitch Pokémon articles!

Disclaimer: This award is not officially sanctioned by the administration of Bulbapedia, and is awarded solely at the discretion of Missingno. Master. Nevertheless, it is a great honor for Missingno. Master to recognize someone as worthy of this award. I'm Missingno. Master. See my new and improved user page, and comment on it! 00:15, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


Hello, I would very much appreciate if you changed the so-called Japanese name of the "Order of the Glitch" (as shown on this page to グリッチ団. Ketsuban is Japanese for Missingno. specifically, not for all glitches. I cannot stop you from listing your "Japanese name" as "けつばんマスタ", but I would prefer not to be associated with a whackjob like you. Thanks! Ketsuban 01:57, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Fine. Just don't call me a whackjob, OK? I'm Missingno. Master. See my new and improved user page, and comment on it! 10:20, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Lorelei

What happened to Lorelei's pokemon, tell me it here and I'll make the article, I just don't know what to make it on?--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu 02:45, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I believe we had agreed on Lorelei's Cloyster. However, someone came in my talk page and removed the brackets that made that a link, and then I archived my talk page. So yeah, Lorelei's Cloyster. Just a warning, however, I'm not entirely sure that the admins will be happy about that. I got an earful for creating Koga's Venomoth because it apparently "wasn't notable enough". But my arguments perservered. I'm Missingno. Master. See my new and improved user page, and comment on it! 10:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
so which of us should make it, you're better at it, I haven't been warned so I'm innocent--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu 20:59, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
I can't believe that we are being troubled for this article when we have a way less useful article on Johanna's Glameow, IT ONLY APPEARS IN A FLASHBACK (battling that is) Johanna isn't even an elite 4 member and her glameow hasn't even been seen in the games. Cloyster's been seen, battled and is part of a game (besides, Lorelei deserves a pokemon article way more than Johanna does)--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu 01:00, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Very true. Now, I don't think it matters which one of us makes it. I don't have the time to make the article at the moment. So if you're willing, perhaps you could make it now? If not, I'll make the article tomorrow morning. I'm Missingno. Master. See my new and improved user page, and comment on it! 01:22, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
You'll have to get a picture and supply ... improvements but I'm making it--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu 02:57, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Koga's Venomoth only survived because it has cards based off of it. Sorry to tell you, but neither Lorelie or Prime has had cards, so guess what...it is gone. MaverickNate 03:48, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
And not only that but you didn't have anything else to base it on.--Masta Pokemongirl 00:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually PG1, we based it off of the anime appearance and game data.

Well, they deleted and protected it :( nogo on the lorelei unless you can convince them to restore it somehow I'm already trying--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu 03:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

There's no card for Johanna's Glameow, why not delete that too, how about Juan's Milotic, Wattson's Manectric, Brawly's Hariyama, Bugsy's Scyther, Byron's Bastiodon, Chuck's Machoke, Cissy's Blastoise, Clair's Dragonair, Crasher Wake's Floatzel, Drake's Dragonite, Falkner's Pidgeot, Fantina's Drifblim, Flannery's Torkoal, Luverin, Maylene's Lucario, Morty's Gengar, Norman's Slaking, Pryce's Piloswine, Roark's Rampardos, Roxanne's Nosepass, Rudy's Starmie, Sabrina's Haunter, Wallace's Milotic, Whitney's Miltank and even this cute shiny bird. By that logic, you should even delete Ash's Pikachu!--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu 04:09, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I tried talking to them and their decision stands firm. --ケンジのガール 04:19, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Crasher Wake's Floatzel, Falkner's Pidgeot, Fantina's Drifblim, Morty's Gengar, Whitney's Miltank, Sabrina's Haunter, Pryce's Piloswine and Ash's Pikachu have all had cards. Learn the background before you try to act smart, because you really ended up looking like a fool right now. MaverickNate 04:24, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
This is ridiculous. I thought EVERY Gym Leader and Elite 4 member got an article for their most notable Pokémon. I'm Missingno. Master. See my new and improved user page, and comment on it! 10:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
No, Pokémon ONLY get a page if they are NOTABLE ENOUGH, a.k.a. in more than one episode. --Theryguy512 14:20, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Ah, of course, how silly of me. How COULD I have forgotten the MULTITUDE of episodes in which Lucy's Seviper, Bruno's Onix, Winona's Swellow, Cissy's Blastoise, Rudy's Starmie, Bugsy's Scyther, and Roxanne's Nosepass appeared! Oh wait! I know how I could've forgotten the multitude of episodes in which they appeared! BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY MULTITUDES OF EPISODES IN WHICH THEY APPEARED! Each of the above Pokémon has only had ONE SINGULAR APPEARANCE APIECE! One! Uno! Un! One-ay! Less than two and more than zero! In other words, the EXACT SAME number of appearances as Lorelei's Cloyster. Really, the notability rules for Pokemon articles should be as thus:

Main characters (including Ash, Misty, May, Brock, Dawn, Max, Tracey, Snap, should he capture anything, Jessie, and James: EVERYTHING THEY'VE EVER OWNED. No matter how briefly.

Gym Leaders, Rivals, Frontier Brains, Recurring characters, Elite Four, and Champions: Their most notable Pokemon. If one of them uses two Pokemon equally and simultaneously (Liza and Tate, Tucker, Luana), both Pokemon get articles.

I've always thought this was how it was. And if it isn't like this, I say it should be. Besides, Lorelei uses Cloyster in the games, and if memory serves, the manga as well. I'm Missingno. Master. See my new and improved user page, and comment on it! 14:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I see more users for the article than against it as well...--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu 20:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Really? well i see three versus two. better get the old abacus out whackjob2 --Masta Pokemongirl 00:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

First of all did u say singular? (o.O) and besides, just leave it alone. admins no wut they are doing. and your sig must be changed.--Masta Pokemongirl 23:17, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

We have decided that if you can get the manga information, and have it represented well enough, we might let the article slip through the notablility cracks. But, until then, it will not exist. MaverickNate 23:27, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Besides, Cloyster isn't an important pokemon of Lorelei's. All the pokemon u named above are all the main pokemon of that trainer. Even though they all had "SINGULAR" appearances, the other pokemon had more important ones. so back off.--Masta Pokemongirl 00:06, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

So

We're giving up on Lorelei's pokemon or will we argue and/or try to make a different one (asking them if it's possible first)?--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu 16:16, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I dunno, those admins can be so friggin' stubborn it's almost impossible to change their minds. And forget going against them, that's practically begging to be blocked. Besides, in the anime, Lorelei's Cloyster is probably her most notable Pokemon. Still not sure on that point, but I believe it DID get the most screentime out of all Lorelei's Pokemon, even if only by a slight margin. I think we should let this matter go for a while, then bring it up again with a damn good argument to back it up. I'm Missingno. Master. See my new and improved user page, and comment on it! 20:44, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
It's her most notable in the manga as well, along with Dewgong, here's what I got so far.

What I previously had +:

==In the Manga== In the manga, Lorelei's Cloyster is one of her main Pokémon. In Cloystered, it appeared as Lorelei's main Pokémon. With her Dewgong, Cloyster traps Yellow and Bill in a cave by collapsing the entrance with a Spike Cannon. When Yellow tries to escape, Cloyster sends an Ice Beam-powered Spike Cannon which stops them. Eventually, they do escape and Yellow attacks with Pikachu, it uses Thunderbolt and Lorelei tells Cloyster to Withdraw into its shell and Pikachu's Thunderbolt bounces off harmlessly.

After a long chase, Lorelei gets Cloyster to Aurora Beam Yellow and Bill, Freezing them in place. Then Lorelei tries to extract information from Yellow by getting Cloyster to bombard them with its Supersonic, a Rattata comes and rescues them at the last minute.

===Moves used===

here's a quote from Maverick Nate to me: "We have decided that if you can get the manga information, and have it represented well enough, we might let the article slip through the notablility cracks. But, until then, it will not exist". So that means that if we get an In the Manga section, he'll let it slip!!--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu 23:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Moves always get capitalized, with the proper CamelCase, Manga chapters are just like anime episodes, and must be italic and link to the actual epicode. And two paragraphs? Not enough. If it had such a major role in the manga, it should definitly have more than two paragraphs. Lorelei's only getting one, so don't expect to make Dewgong. MaverickNate 19:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I've added more info at the bottom.--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu 19:52, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay listen...

Glitches are not real Pokémon. Period. If I see you getting in to another fight over this then you will be blocked for one week. Is that understood. Glitches are not recognized by GameFreak or Nintendo as Pokémon. If they did then they would have Dex numbers and be available in every game. Also real Pokémon don't screw up your game if you catch them. Now get over it already. No matter how much they act like them, they aren't real Pokémon. They are merely programming errors. Think what you want of them but keep your opinion off of Bulbapedia. Are we clear? --ケンジのガール 01:17, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Fine. I will keep my Glitch Pokémon beliefs off Bulbapedia. I suppose I CAN have this sort of stuff on my userpage, though? I'm Missingno. Master. See my new and improved user page, and comment on it! 02:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Sure, knock yourself out. --ケンジのガール 03:36, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

So

Will we submit a new page to the admins? as seen in my last section they said that if we can represent manga info. well enough than we can remake it. Here's more Manga info.

In Valiant Venomoth, Lorelei appears again, this time riding in her Cloyster, to battle Blue and Sabrina. She uses Voodoo dolls made from her Jynx to freeze their hands together. Cloyster then uses Ice Beam on them and it barely misses them. Blue sends out Nidorina and Sabrina uses Venomoth. Nidorina charges at Cloyster and Venomoth uses Sleep Powder. Cloyster uses Blizzard to blow the Sleep Powder into Nidorina's face which puts her to sleep. Venomoth charges again and again with Cloyster Withdrawing each time so that all the attacks don't hit. Eventually Cloyster falls over, fainted, Venomoth had been using Leech Life that whole time.

Cloyster also makes a small appearance getting defeated by a Blastoise's Hydro Pump in Clefabulous Clefable.

Lorelei's Cloyster

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Lorelei's Cloyster
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Lorelei with Cloyster
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Lorelei's Cloyster (Japanese: アヤコのニャルマ Canna's Parshen) is a Pokémon owned by Lorelei in the Anime, Games and Manga.

==In the Anime==

In The Mandarin Island Miss Match, Lorelei uses Cloyster against numerous opponents in a tournament and defeats them all. Eventually Ash challenges her to a battle. They agree to use one Pokémon each, and Lorelei uses Cloyster against Pikachu. Pikachu uses a Thunderbolt, but Cloyster Withdraws into its shell and the attack hits it harmlessly. Pikachu uses Agility, but Cloyster uses Reflect and Pikachu gets whacked backwards. Pikachu uses Thunder and it hits Cloyster, who starts to glow red. Pikachu tries to use Quick Attack, but is defeated by an Aurora Beam-Take Down combo. Ash loses.

===Moves used===

==In the Games==

Lorelei uses Cloyster in every game she appears in.

===Pokémon Red, Blue and Green===

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Trainer
Lv. 53

===Pokémon Yellow===

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Lv. 53

===Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen===

====First Time====

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Lv. 51

====Second Time====

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Lv. 63

==In the Manga==

In the manga, Lorelei's Cloyster is one of her main Pokémon. In Cloystered, it appeared as Lorelei's main Pokémon. With her Dewgong, Cloyster traps Yellow and Bill in a cave by collapsing the entrance with a Spike Cannon. When Yellow tries to escape, Cloyster sends an Ice Beam-powered Spike Cannon which stops them. Eventually, they do escape and Yellow attacks with Pikachu, it uses Thunderbolt and Lorelei tells Cloyster to Withdraw into its shell and Pikachu's Thunderbolt bounces off harmlessly.

After a long chase, Lorelei gets Cloyster to Aurora Beam Yellow and Bill, Freezing them in place. Then Lorelei tries to extract information from Yellow by getting Cloyster to bombard them with its Supersonic, a Rattata comes and rescues them at the last minute.

In Valiant Venomoth, Lorelei appears again, this time riding in her Cloyster, to battle Blue (Special) and Sabrina. She uses Voodoo dolls made from her Jynx to freeze their hands together. Cloyster then uses Ice Beam on them and it barely misses them. Blue sends out Nidorina and Sabrina uses Venomoth. Nidorina charges at Cloyster and Venomoth uses Sleep Powder. Cloyster uses Blizzard to blow the Sleep Powder into Nidorina's face which puts her to sleep. Venomoth charges again and again with Cloyster Withdrawing each time so that all the attacks don't hit. Eventually Cloyster falls over, fainted, Venomoth had been using Leech Life that whole time.

Cloyster also makes a small appearance getting defeated by a Blastoise's Hydro Pump in Clefabulous Clefable.

===Moves used===

==Related articles==

For more about this Pokémon's species see Cloyster, for more about its trainer, see Lorelei


[[Category:Elite Four's Pokémon]]

So, how do you like it Missingno. + Maverick--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu 21:18, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey, that's pretty good! Only thing is, I'd reword the part about Cloyster using Rage, the current wording kinds sends up a red flag. Also, are you sure that that's a picture of Lorelei's Cloyster? Because in The Bridge Bike Gang, one of the bikers used a Cloyster against Misty's Psyduck, and it DID sneak up on it from behind, which is what the picture seems to convey. Otherwise, good job!
If I may comment? Remove the "Caught in Kanto" part. That's usually frowned upon if it's unverifiable, if my memory serves.--Totodilesentret!Talk to me. 13:31, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Lorelei's Cloyster discussion

I've reworded and removed but I really need an image (there is a template "voice actor needed") Missingno., could I please have your input?--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu 00:31, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

How could the Cloyster be using Ice Shard? The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 00:42, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, get rid of the Ice Shard bit and I think we're good. Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 00:59, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Actually, it could have learned it as a Shellder (assuming that the Cloyster evolved from a shellder) and not forgotten it, but I removed it anyways.--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu 01:42, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
No, it couldn't have. It didn't exist back then... guess I didn't make that clear *sweatdrop* The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 01:44, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

So

So, Agatha's Gengar next? It appears in manga, anime and games (haven't checked the tcg yet)--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu 21:48, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

So.

So, Agatha's Gengar next? It appears in manga, anime and games (haven't checked the tcg yet) and should we start a project Project TrainerPoké?--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu 21:49, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Not sure about the project trainerpoke, but I don't see why not. Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 21:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
So, which of us should start the project and if me, how do I start this project? thankyou for your time.--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu 22:02, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
There's something on the main page, I think, that helps you start projects. I don't recall. I did create Project GlitchDex a while back, but I don't remember exactly how I went about doing so.... Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 22:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
We only let you do Cloyster because it was a very important character in the manga, and we only let that slide. A project will not stay more than two minutes, because that is not a good idea to make it over. Furthermore, it would not pass the rules of the Project Council, and will not get past stage 1. Also, Agatha had no Pokémon in the TCG. Just because there is a Pokémon, doesn't mean it deserves a page. MaverickNate 22:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Be that as it may, her Gengar still played a rather important role in the anime, and is always her main Pokémon in the games. Notice that the role Gengar played in its episode is significantly larger than Cloyster's role, so I think Gengar qualifies. Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 22:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Mav is correct, and just for the record, making pages for a ton of different owned Pokemon is pretty pointless since a good deal are up for questionable notability. making more would be redundant. -- MAGNEDETH 22:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Redundant?? *checks wikipedia*, what!!, that is not redundant. Like Missingno., said earlier:

Main characters (including Ash, Misty, May, Brock, Dawn, Max, Tracey, Snap, should he capture anything, Jessie, and James: EVERYTHING THEY'VE EVER OWNED. No matter how briefly.

Gym Leaders, Rivals, Frontier Brains, Recurring characters, Elite Four , and Champions: Their most notable Pokemon. If one of them uses two Pokemon equally and simultaneously (Liza and Tate, Tucker, Luana), both Pokemon get articles.

If you disagree, please tell me why.--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu 22:20, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

What?

I have to ask: Where did you get that whole Santa Claus reference for Kingler? --ケンジのガール 00:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

It just came to me that Kingler is an anagram of Kringle one day. Then I realized that red and green (green being the color of a shiny Kingler) are Christmas colors. And then, on a hunch, I checked to see if any Kingler-centric episodes first aired in December... Yeah, the whole thing's pretty uncanny, if I do say so myself. Evidentially, though, you don't think so, as you helped to remove it. Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 12:23, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
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