Talk:Moves not in the Pokémon games

Shouldn't this be merged into Anime move errors? --electAbuzzzz 16:06, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Well it's not like they're errors exactly, just moves that you can't use in the games. TTEchidna 18:21, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

What, no mention of Rocket Punch? --Shiningpikablu252 18:22, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yet the move errors article has a full section about Thunder Armor... --electAbuzzzz 18:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

They want a TCG Section for that page, but that would take hours of research and planning for it. ^Moldy_Orange 18:54, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't know EVERY move yet, but it's a start. ht14 22:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd suggest a separate "TCG-exclusive moves" page for that. And yeah, it would take for-fraggin'-ever... --((Marton imos)) 20:08, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Do you think we should mention the "attacks" that Jessie "used" on Seviper in A Tail With A Twist? One or more of them that James named were made-up. Taromon777 22:29, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Uh, no he didn't. He named Fury Swipes and Megaton Kick (Megaton Kick is the japanese name of Mega Kick, kinda like how Mary told Fluffy to use Speed Star).

Final Smash

Should we add these moves and other moves from Melee/SSB? ht14 01:28, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good to me --Manga-in-a-bottle 10:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Its just a combination of SolarBeam, Fire Blast, and Hydro Pump, with a different name. It probably shouldn't be added. --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 11:07, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

What about Jigglypuff though? ht14 20:54, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

And Lucario? ^ht14 20:05, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

How is Triple Finish different to Ice Jet? --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 20:47, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Well...isn't it kinda obvious? Triple Finish is 3 different moves (see above), while Ice Jet is different (Ice Beam, Aqua Jet)... ^ht14 20:56, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

It's still a combination of all three. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 21:06, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, now I get what you're saying. Ice Jet is a true mix, while Triple Finish is comprised of 3 Pokémon doing an attack EACH. ^ht14 21:10, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Going to take off the sortable table for now

It's glitching up every time I sort a column. ~Toastypk - ^Loom. 01:43, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

TCG Moves

Okay, surely we can't have that table. Cover all moves and it'll be far, FAR too big. The vast majority of moves seen in the TCG aren't from the games, and there are...there must be well over 4000 cards in English alone. Cipher 12:18, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Lucky guess, 4451 in English, including reprints. ^Moldy_Orange 14:18, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Then this section CANNOT exist, surely. Never mind "far, FAR too big", it'd take up half of Bulbapedia. Cipher 18:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Redirect

Why is there no redirect for "moves not in the pokemon games"?? and maybe the TCG bit should be sorted alphabetically in different pages. The page is goona get WAy tooo big,--Wowy 06:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Redirect made. And my two cents on the TCG one, can't we just make the table collapsible? Possibly break the table by sets and then collapsible, or make a "List of TCG only Moves" page, and have this page give some small detail, then link to the new page? - Kogoro | Talk to me | 06:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Ice Jet - Removed?

I noticed that Buizel's improvised move "Ice Jet" (also known as "Ice Aqua Jet") has been removed. I don't really agree with the removal of this move. Yes it was invented as a Contest Combo-Appeal, but Ash and Buizel did use it against Crasher Wake and his Quagsire in DP083. Since it was used in battle (a Gym Battle nonetheless) should it not qualify to be on this page? - Kogoro | Talk to me | 09:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I second that...it was used in a battle and just because it is a contest-combo it doens't meam it should be taken off...anyway, if its going to be off the page, then someone should take the ice jet redirecting thing off..--Wowy 06:22, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Contest Combos?

I was wondering if this is ok to put in. I remember seeing a Drew vs May episode and Absol combined a Razor Wind with his ally's Dragonbreath, and the announcer was all "Wow what a move! I think I'll call this Dragon Razor Wind!" I would have put it in but I don't know if contest combos count. Any opinions? ~Toastypk - ^Loom. 18:10, 28 November 2008 (UTC) This may be a year too late, but I think he said "Wow what a combo of Dragonbreath and Razor Wind!", or something like that. --Kimori Geckarbor Hinoarashi 18:39, 2 November 2009 (UTC)Kimori-Hinoarashi

I know it's been asked already...

But seriously. Should we have every TCG exclusive move on this page? If we did, we'd have to make the tables collapsable or on a separate article that links back here. R.A. Hunter Blade 14:26, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I don't think any of them should be there. They come up with moves, since they probably can't just keep reusing the same general moves over with different energy needs, damage and special effects, as it would probably just confuse players. But it's not as big as the anime coming up with a move, since less people would probably know about it. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 15:18, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

They're notable enough if the rest of this page is. We just need to figure out which ones should go on, and which ones shouldn't. R.A. Hunter Blade 17:55, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I think they should be kept, but I agree that the table for TCG moves should be collapsible cause it's so huge. ZestyCactus 19:54, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Finger Shake

I personally believe it's a CY's screw-up, amirite? --Maxim 21:20, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Y'know, I was thinking that myself. Especially seeing as "Wag Finger" is literal translation of the Japanese name for Metronome. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 21:56, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Ice Jet but no Triple Finish

If Ice Jet is in this article, why isn't Triple Finish on here? If Ice Jet is a combination of Aqua Jet and Ice Beam, Triple Finish is a combination of Solar Beam, Fire Blast and Hydro Pump. --Chickasaurus 14:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

That's not the same. 梅子^❄_❅ 15:00, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Ice Jet/Ice Aqua Jet is the combination of the moves performed by a single Pokémon at a time while a single Pokémon can never do Solar Beam, Fire Blast and Hydro Pump at a time. Anyway, the point is that, here we include those moves by the combination of which a new move is formed. Triple Finish is not a new move or a combination, its just a thing where 3 moves are launched together, it won't be considered as a combination move like counter shield or thunder armour. --♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 15:10, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm still not sure why not, if the attack "Triple Finish" is one collective term for a combination of Pokémon moves why do the moves listed in this article particularly have to be those used by a single Pokémon? If Triple Finish isn't a move what is it, and if it is just a combination of existing moves shouldn't Ice Aqua Jet be removed too? --Chickasaurus 15:19, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Well its not the matter whether the move is used by a single Pokémon or not (as I mentioned the reason in the previous line. Ice Aqua Jet is a totally different move or we can consider it as a NEW MOVE because Buizel's body turned into Ice(ish) shape and then a new move has been created. Triple Finish is NOT A NEW MOVE unlike FIRE-ICE COMBO, THUNDER ARMOUR, ICE AQUA JET. The similarity in those three moves is that they all are totally new and are created by the combination of different moves. However, this is not the same case in Triple Finish thingy because the moves and their function remains totally same. Blast burn will remain as Blast Burn in Triple Finish and so on. But Aqua Jet doesn't remain same after the combination, it turns into an ICEish shape and a whole new move is formed in this way. I think everything is clear now. --♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 15:41, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Here's the deal: Brawl isn't related to Pokémon, it only borrows characters. Ice Jet however, is in the related anime, so it counts. R.A. Hunter Blade 04:01, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Rage Tackle-dub error not move?

according to [ep040] Rage Tackle was NOT a move, merely a dub error, so why is this here? sorry kinda new to editing and just curious if this really belongs here AngelicWitch93 the Shiny Pokémon Breeder (In training) 17:41, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Split

I don't think it needs to be split. I just think it needs to be organized better, which can easily be done after all of them are added in. ^Maverick_Nate 18:53, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

If the table's changed so that it can expand, it wouldn't need splitting, and it'll make it easier to navigate instead of spending hours scrolling down the page.

Base Set
Name	First appearance	Cost	Damage	Effect
Scrunch	Chansey		--	Flip a coin. If heads, prevent all damage done to this Pokémon during your next turn. (Any other effects of attacks still happen.)
Jab	Hitmonchan		20
Special Punch			40
Lure	Ninetales		--	If your opponent has any Benched Pokémon, choose 1 of them and switch it with the Defending Pokémon.
Leek Slap	Farfetch'd		30	Flip a coin. If tails, this attack does nothing. Either way, you can't use this attack again as long as Farfetch'd stays in play (even putting Farfetch'd on the Bench won't let you use it again).
Pot Smash			30
Flare	Growlithe		20
Super Psy	Kadabra		50
Stiffen	Kakuna Metapod		--	Flip a coin. If heads, prevent all damage done to Kakuna/Metapod during your opponent's next turn. (Any other effects of attacks still happen.).
Sleeping Gas	Gastly		--	Flip a coin. If heads, the Defending Pokémon is now Asleep.
Foul Gas	Koffing		10	Flip a coin. If heads, the Defending Pokémon is now Poisoned; if tails, it is now Confused.
Horn Hazard	Nidoran♂		30	Flip a coin. If tails, this attack does nothing.
Gnaw	Pikachu		10
Thunder Jolt			30	Flip a coin. If tails, Pikachu does 10 damage to itself.
Smash Kick	Ponyta		20
Flame Tail			30
Star Freeze	Starmie		20	Flip a coin. If heads, the Defending Pokémon is now Paralyzed.
Slap	Staryu		20

Jungle
Name	First appearance	Cost	Damage	Effect
Chain Lightning	Electrode		20	If the Defending Pokémon isn't Colorless, this attack does 10 damage to each Benched Pokémon of the same type as the Defending Pokémon (including your own).
Fetch	Kangaskhan		--	Draw a card.
Boyfriends	Nidoqueen		20+	Does 20 damage plus 20 more damage for each Nidoking you have in play.
Hurricane	Pidgeot		30	Unless this attack Knocks Out the Defending Pokémon, return the Defending Pokémon and all cards attached to it to your opponent's hand.
Irongrip	Pinsir		20	Flip a coin. If heads, the Defending Pokémon is now Paralyzed.
Venom Powder	Venomoth		10	Flip a coin. If heads, the Defending Pokémon is now Confused and Poisoned.
Lullaby	Wigglytuff		--	The Defending Pokémon is now Asleep.
Do the Wave			10+	Does 10 damage plus 10 more damage for each of your Benched Pokémon.
Big Eggsplosion	Exeggutor		20x	Flip a number of coins equal to the number of Energy attached to Exeggutor. This attack does 20 damage times the number of heads.
Foul Odor	Gloom		20	Both the Defending Pokémon and Gloom are now Confused (after doing damage).
Tongue Wrap	Lickitung		10	Flip a coin. If heads, the Defending Pokémon is now Paralyzed.
Call for Friends	Marowak	Various	--	Search your deck for a * Basic Pokémon card and put it onto your Bench. Shuffle your deck afterward. (You can't use this attack if your bench is full.)
Pounce	Persian		30	If the Defending Pokémon attacks Persian during your next turn, any damage done by the attack is reduced by 10 (after applying Weakness and Resistance). (Benching either Pokémon ends this effect.)
Tantrum	Primeape		50	Flip a coin. If tails, Primeape is now Confused (after doing damage).
Ram	Rhydon		50	Rhydon does 20 damage to itself. If your opponent has any Benched Pokémon, he or she chooses 1 of them and switches it with the Defending Pokémon. (Do the damage before switching the Pokémon. Switch the Pokémon even if Rhydon is knocked out.)
Rampage	Tauros		20+	Does 20 damage plus 10 more damage for each damage counter on Tauros. Flip a coin. If tails, Tauros is now Confused (after doing damage).
Call for Family	Bellsprout Nidoran♀	Various	--	Search your deck for a Pokémon named * and put it onto your Bench. Shuffle your deck afterward. (You can't use this attack if your Bench is full.)
Snivel	Cubone		--	If the Defending Pokémon attacks Cubone during your opponent's next turn, any damage done by the attack is reduced by 20 (after applying Weakness and Resistance). (Benching either Pokémon ends this effect.)
Tail Wag	Eevee		--	Flip a coin. If heads, the Defending Pokémon can't attack Eevee during your next turn. (Benching either Pokémon ends this effect.)
Sprout	Oddish		--	Search your deck for a Basic Pokémon named Oddish and put it onto your Bench. Shuffle your deck afterward. (You can't use this attack if your Bench is full.)

Vuvuzela2010 Δ 20:22, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Improvised moves

I think this page should be renamed "improvised moves". Chowolun 12:10, 31 March 2012 (UTC)User:Lucario985

TCG-exclusive moves

Why don't we list all the Pokemon that can learn a certain move? I know there aren't many, but it'd be nice to see the ones that could. Jdrawer (talk) 22:44, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Do you mean those with signature moves? If so, we already have a page for those Pokémon. :-) Frozen Fennec 22:51, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I see what you mean, never mind. Would not be a bad idea at least. Frozen Fennec 01:34, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

We want to eventually, but there are several TCG projects that need to happen first. ^Maverick_Nate 15:51, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Can you give me a link of all the TCG projects? That'd be appreciated! Jdrawer (talk) 03:33, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Take your pick ^Maverick_Nate 07:12, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

TCG Moves First Appearance

How does the First Appearance section apply to a move? I've seen several moves show up multiple times, although with slight differences in damage or description. Should these be kept as such, or should each move only appear once (the first time it showed up)? RetroKitty (talk) 15:56, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

On the topic of TCG moves that became canon...

We might need a separate section for them.Trainer Yusuf (talk) 21:13, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

On article....

The article seems to have grown way too large for further edits. I'm thinking of seperating TCG series into their own seperate pages, or at least the Diamond/Pearl section for further edits. Trainer Yusuf (talk) 08:58, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

• I'll likely give EX Series its own subsection since we need to add the several promotional decks of that era. Is there any problems? Trainer Yusuf (talk) 20:35, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

On cards with no numbers...

I don't know how to link them. Can somebody handle them? Trainer Yusuf (talk) 16:29, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Done~ ^ht14 20:42, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

On TCG TM moves and move repeats...

I haven't checked them, but since all decks only contain Pokémon cards, there might be missing TM moves that needs to be listed here. In addition, there are likely several repeats due to different energies they used as opposed to their debut, which likely need to be get rid of. Trainer Yusuf (talk) 10:46, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

On deletion...

Has a consensus been reached? I won't be doing further additions unless a consensus on deleting or not deleting is reached(and if we are keeping the page, we should probably remove the current description for incomplete since EX Series is complete). Trainer Yusuf (talk) 11:09, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

I find this page has some use, the pages just simply are not enough, but I DO think the TCG sections should be removed. --Odieboy's are very nutritional for your health. | Come and sit by the fire and talk to me! 21:36, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean by the pages not being enough? The moves improvised section of Ash's Pikachu already serves the function of this page better than the page itself and the Smash Bros and manga examples are so few that they wouldn't be difficult to put on their users' pages. glik^glak 22:06, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm for keeping the section. Sure, it doesn't have a functional purpose, but neither do the manga and anime sections (or some other pages on the site), and it has some interesting information that people have worked hard to put together. If you're going to delete the TCG section, you may as well delete the whole page, because it all essentially serves the same purpose. RetroKitty (talk) 22:45, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Essentially, our plan is to present the information in a less destructive way. The amount of information trying to be shoved onto the pages for TCG is unhealthy, and as a solution, we're exploring other options to present all the information on this page. It's not disappearing. It's simply not being utilized in the same fashion as it is now. ^Maverick_Nate 12:57, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

I registered on this site to tell you to not delete this page. I came here as part of researching ideas for new Pokemon moves. I want to look at what ideas other people came up with for moves not taken from the GameFreak games. I was afraid I was going to have to look at the page of every Pokemon card to figure this out. I'm not expecting this list to be complete or up to date, but don't remove the work you've already done. I really don't like the idea of people deciding what is or isn't useful information. Give me all of the information and let me decide what I want to use. People can tell the difference between pages that are curated summaries of a concept versus pages that are just info dumps. This is a page you go to for more details and to use as a reference. I don't want any information withheld here. Box65535 (talk) 16:38, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

TCG moves? Anime-exclusive moves? Anyone?

Instead of a total deletion, it should be split down into Anime-exclusive, TCG moves, and the like! Its all moves in Pokémon, for crying out loud.... TCG-exclusive Moves with proper TCG categories... Granted this page is in need of heavy cleanup, but much like a deck of Pokémon cards, or a botched playthrough... If we wipe this page, we wipe all prprogressogress! If you're going to write another book like the first, wait until the rough draft is no longer needed. Don't burn the roughs! And we're the sort of people who absolutely loathe losing our work, for pete's sake.

AmbipomContestant (talk) 15:03, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Spread out the info?

We all know that no Bulbapedia viewer is just going to scroll through hundreds of lines of random moves that are all grouped together just because they aren't in the games, nor would anyone necessarily use this page for reference. I think this info would be more likely to be useful if we spread it out to the articles of the Pokemon themselves, under the trivia section. I understand this would take forever, so it may be a bad idea. However, having these moves be impossible to find in all of Bulbapedia other than the cards themselves is something I think unacceptable, so I would discourage a deletion. Go Rhyperior (talk) 04:57, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Seperating/Moving

Should we move the TCG section to its own separate subpage? Does it deserve its own page with how large it has become? Moves not in the Pokémon games/In the TCG?

Is there a vote that needs to be taken or something? If so, I vote that we put under a new subpage. To be honest, I just want this issue to be resolved. If it's already been resolved, then why are the Porygon2 or Pigeot templates still there?ThunderBrine (talk) 17:16, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Broken collapsible tables

Is there a reason the tables on the subpages for TCG moves (like Original Series) become non-collapsible when reloading, even though they work fine on first load? Is this just a problem all collapsible tables have with no known fix? - unsigned comment from Kevorama0205 (talk • contribs)

Some sort of Javascript error in certain browsers. Hopefully will be fixed when we update our software soon. glik^glak 18:18, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Should this be deleted?

I believe it should. The anime section consists only of improvised moves, Smash Bros. info probably belongs on SmashWiki, and the TCG section is just an infinite list of move names. Who's with me? GalarChamp Cinderace (talk) 17:58, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

No, it shouldn't be deleted. That's way too much info to trash. I get where you're coming from, but all of it is relevant to this wiki as it all has to do with Pokemon. Just because it's tied to a different canon than the mainline games or connected to another Nintendo franchise is irrelevant. As for the TCG moves, I am confused by your complaint. What would you expect from a page about listing moves? How else should the moves be referenced? Besides, isn't it more than a bit disingenuous to say that it's only an infinite list of move names? It is a neatly organized and collapsed list of moves that has the full information available regarding the moves: Energy requirements, first Pokémon to get it, Damage, and Effect. That's kind of important information too, isn't it? When it comes to deleting (or even adding for that matter) pages to Bulbapedia, you should always ask "what value does this decision offer the project (Bulbapedia) or its users?" I found this page because I needed that list of Pokémon TCG-exclusive moves for a project I am working on. I didn't even consider the anime-exclusive, manga-exclusive, nor Smash-exclusive moves until after I found this page. Clearly others saw the need and value, hence why it was made and maintained. Look at the Talk Page... You're not the first person to raise this question. People were making your same arguments that you are since 2008... but consensus has been time and time again that we should keep the page. I get you are asking simply because you want to find a way to make your mark on Bulbapedia and get recognition, but this is not the way to do it. Having the moves that don't exist all in one page can serve as a valuable resource for all types of Pokémon fans. While you obviously mean well by trying to get rid of something you don't see the value in, you need to consider why this page has been around for 13+ years and what use it could offer people other than yourself. It'd be one thing if you wanted to get rid of some information, but this is way too much information for deletion to be even remotely considered a valid option. An alternative would be merging the sections to the appropriate pages. (Like the Anime-exclusives could be moved to the move-errors page under a separate section for example or the Smash Bros information could be moved to a section for their respective games.) But deleting the information should not be on the table. Flannery (talk) 06:36, 9 May 2021 (UTC)