Talk:Animated series move errors

Note: This page only includes examples where they are confirmed to be the move. Please do not add any of the following as examples:

• Tentacool's attack in Tentacool & Tentacruel
• Haunter using Leer in The Tower of Terror
• Ash's Bulbasaur using Leer and Tickle in Who Gets to Keep Togepi?
• Ralph's Tony (Nidoran♂) using Bite in Wherefore Art Thou, Pokémon?
• Meowth of Team Rocket using Tickle in Bound for Trouble
• Entei using Hypnosis in Spell of the Unown
• Ninetales using Psychic in Just Waiting On a Friend
• Bean (Politoed) using Lick in I Politoed Ya So!
• Nuzleaf using GrassWhistle in Turning Over a Nuzleaf
• Rayquaza using Seismic Toss in Destiny Deoxys
• Lunatone using Moonlight in Crazy as a Lunatone!
• Drifloon using Fly in Drifloon on the Wind!
• Metagross using Lock-On in Noodles! Roamin' Off!
• Ash's Cyndaquil using Tickle in Delibird's Dilemma
• Vaporeon using Aqua Jet in Tag Team Battle Inspiration!

Sorting

There has to be a way to make it so that EP goes before AG and DP... TTEchidna 00:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Roark's Onix

Did Roark's Onix use Zap cannon in DP017 or DP018?PokeManiac102 04:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)\

neither but it did use screech User: ShinyMedicham

Order?

Are the anime moves supposed to be in order and if so, order by what? Cassius335 13:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Order by episode. TTEchidna^G_SDS! 10:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

And what about the combees and psybeam in DP...errrr...Ok I dont rember which.... - CrystalLucario 14:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I was under the impression that that was Vespiquin's Attack Order. - Cassius335 01:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Attack order.... I could swore brock said psybeam...but attack order make sense... - CrystalLucario 12:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Some of these attacks

Some of these attack seem like Physical Attributes and are they really that notable? Like Marnie's Drifloon knowing Fly. Are we sure we can consider that its actually using the game move Fly? The pokedex does say they try to carry children away, and Drifloon can float. I know she says fly but fly itself doesn't mean its actually the move. Here about this for an example, suppose there is a large flying Pokemon with wings, but it can't learn fly in the games, when it carries someone, is it really considered to be using the actual game move Fly? --Dman dustin 11:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering that, too. I suppose if a trainer tells their Pokémon to use (move), then it counts. TTEchidna 20:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

But is saying "Pokemon, move!" the same thing as "Pokemon, use move!"? - Cassius335 13:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Almost all Pokémon with wings can fly, but it isn't always the attack Fly. If it was the move Fly, they would have to hit the Pokémon not just fly away. JmathTalk 18:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Riolu is a similar issue. It's knowledge of Aura Sphere is due to it being able to manipulate aura, which its species normally can't do until after evolution. In fact, for all we know, it might use that move in the game anyway. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd say Take Riolu off the list, In Pokémon Ranger Batonnage There is a Bonus mission to get a Riolu and if you beat it, you can transfer it to D/P and It will know Aura Sphere--Quick Man 19:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

That's an abnormal method of learning it, though. Riolu can't learn Aura Sphere in the main games, anymore than Pikachu can learn Surf. - Cassius335 21:54, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Since the episode was specifically based on the Battonage mission, that argument is invalid.

I'm also seriously questioning Bulbasaur tickling Togepi being an error, especially given that the move known as Tickle didn't even exist back then. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 00:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't even think the move Tickle was PLANNED. Seriously, Ash didn't say 'Bulbasaur, use Tickle!' Instead, he said 'Bulbasaur, tickle Psyduck!' Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links02:46 11 May 2008

Also, James Hoppip using Fly is Invald, too. it Just flew with the Air current's, which is on it's Pokédex entries.--Quick Man 20:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Drew's Butterfree

We should include Drew's Butterfree using Protect Livinlarge18 22:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

No....Butterfree can learn protect through TM. Dean

Ash's Pikachu

Should Ash's Pikachu using Volt Tackle be added? I know it's an egg move from Pichu, but Ash's Pikachu learned it through a different way.- unsigned comment from Strawhat luffy (talk • contribs)

The only issue there is the method of learning, which the writers had no choice but to cheat on. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 00:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

You know, it could of known it all along and may have been born with the tequnique. It may have just taken it a while to figure out how to use it. Remember, games doesn't always equal anime. --☆ケンジガール 01:12, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that games =/= anime is the whole point of this article. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 01:15, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

We include Volt Tackle, we include Misty's Azurill's Refresh. Trust me, Pokémon in the anime can learn moves through bull**** methods without a moment's notice. For example, if Dawn's newly-evolved Prinplup starts sparring against Ash's Monferno working on a bull**** method to learn Stealth Rock in DP085, would we include that? No.

(For the record, the example is not indicative of any actual DP085 plot.) --Shiningpikablu252 02:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I think the difference though is some Pokemon can't learn/know a specific move period. And TMs don't really exist in the anime, and so most of the time a Pokemon has to learn a move by watching someone else. (Ash's Turtwig with Energy Ball). And with the case of Pikachu, all it was required to do is store it's electricity and use Quick attack, which is probably how all Pichu/Pikachu/Raichu are capable of using Volt Tackle. The anime puts more realism in the show, since the games are limited. I would be surprised if the games had a system where if you used two attacks in a row and leveled up, it would learn a move that way. And I think the point of this article is for moves that a Pokemon cannot know a move for any reason. Like if a Caterpie started using Flamethrower. It cannot know it period. But Pikachu can know Volt Tackle --Dman dustin 18:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

How do we know that Ash's Pikachu was never a Pichu that was bred with a Light Ball? For all we know, Pikachu could have hatched under the same circumstances as an in-game Pichu that knows Volt Tackle, only for some reason it was unaware that it could use the move until that moment. Diachronos 17:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

"the games"

Riolu's Aura Sphere seems to have exposed an issue. What are we counting as "the games"? Just the main set (RBY,GSC,RSE,FRLG & DP) or the various side games as well? For that matter, what counts as "learned"? - Cassius335 10:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe it counts any move that a Pokemon can learn through any method, as long as that Pokemon with that move can be brought over to a main game. I'm Missingno. Master, and I approve this message. 11:00, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, because the Riolu is transferred to D/P, Riolu does learn Aura Sphere in D/P.--KukiTalk 13:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

That's not what "learn" means, Kuki. It can "know" Aura Sphere in D/P, but there's no way within D/P themselves for Riolu to acquire Aura Sphere; not by level-up, not by TM, not by egg-move or Heart Scale, not even by Move tutor. Even in Baatonage, the Riolu doesn't "learn" Aura Sphere as such; it shows up already knowing the move, without any indication of how it got the move. That's sort of it's whole point: it's an abberation, an anomaly; A Pokemon which knows a move it shouldn't know until it evolves. As such, Riolu's Aura Sphere belongs on the list. - Cassius335 12:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

If that is the case, Ash using Aura Sphere in movie 8 should also be on the list. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 12:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

*laughs* Don't tempt me. I don't think that was supposed to be Aura Sphere, though. - Cassius335 12:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Anime errors?

I couldn't find an article on this, but I remember general anime errors in the cartoon that weren't move related. Like Jenny commanding a Growlithe (by calling it Arcanine) to take down Team Rocket's balloon, and Pikachu's electric attack taking out Marowak, which is equally as bad as a move error. I know there's other examples out there too.. Would it be a good idea if there be a general Anime Errors article, with the move errors being a subset of it? Or am I just crazy? Toastypk 19:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

We have an errors section in every anime episode's page!--KukiTalk 19:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Well we have all the move related ones here, so just a thought. Toastypk 19:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Bronzor and Teleport

There was really no proof that it used Teleport. All that I saw was Bronzor using Confusion on the Unown and then they were gone. Maybe Saturn as a teleportation device. Unlikely but it could happen. --☆ケンジガール 22:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Jynx Ice Punch/Beam

I don't know if this is the right place to place this but in The Manarin Island Miss Match Loreli/Prima commands her Jynx to use Ice Beam and to me it looks a lot more like Ice Punch. - unsigned comment from Moretacos (talk • contribs) at 19:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

BUT it can learn both moves legally, and thats what we mean by errors moves they CAN"T learn in the games--KukiTalk 19:30, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

That was just a dub error cause the idiots people at 4Kids can't tell the difference between Ice Beam and Ice Punch. --☆ケンジガール 20:12, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't see why it's so hard; how do Freezing Punch and Freezing Beam sound alike at all? Panchi vs Bimu... TTEchidna 21:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Paul's Ursaring

Ursaring can learn Headbutt by way of TM02 in Generation II. Perhaps Paul got his hands on a Johto TM and taught this move to Ursaring. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 15:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Exept that there are no TM's in the anime.Pikachu learned Iron tail through training, not by a TM. - unsigned comment from Tomas (talk • contribs)

Nosepass and Hyperbeam?

We can't judge a Pokemon's attack solely by its appearance, just because it looked like Hyper beam doesn't mean it was hyper beam. Roxanne in the original said "denjihou" which is not hyper beam but Zap Cannon. Hyperbeam is "hakaikousen" unless someone who actually speaks Japanese would like clarify at what point did Nosepass use hyper beam. Plus it paralysing Nosepass sort of makes it final that Roxanne's Nosepass never used hyper beam. Also when has hyperbeam ever been electrical in its appearance? --Dman dustin 03:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I can't speak for the Japanese version. But my DVD with the dub has Roxanne saying "Zap Cannon". --Sato 13:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Well I did see the Japanese version, and like I said I clearly keep hearing the Japanese name for "Zap Cannon" (Denjihou). I wonder, do the people who think it is hyper beam, are basing it only on its appearance or are you actually basing it on what Roxanne said. Now I suppose its possible that in the very original (the first time this episode aired) Roxanne told Nosepass to use hyper cannon, but the version I saw, she says "Denjihou" which is Zap Cannon. Now you're probably going to ignore me because I don't speak Japanese, but I'd like to point out, I'm using these move names from someone who does speak Japanese. And like I said in July, since when has Hyper Beam been electrical in appearance. I'll gladly give the link of the version I saw, if someone needs it. --Dman dustin 15:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

EP25

When Ash's Pikachu attacks Team rocket with what Ash would usually call thunderbolt, he simply says "electric attack". Isn't that a type of special move instead? - unsigned comment from BlueGasMask (talk • contribs)

• Depends. Is it simply a dub error, or did he say it in Japanese, too? --隼也 20:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Zap Cannon? Error?

I really don't think that Anabel's Espeon using Zap Cannon can be counted as a move error. If you look at Espeon's Generation II learnset (TM), you'll find TM07: Zap Cannon. SharKing 21:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)SharKing

The same applies for Ursaring and Headbutt. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 18:21, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Other Combo Attacks

Wasn't there an episode where Squirtle and Pickachu combined their attacks to make a sort of electricly-charged water attack? --Manga-in-a-bottle 04:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Combining moves doesn't count as an error. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 17:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Crawdaunt

Didn't Kyles crawdaunt use mudshot? I'm fairly sure Crawdaunt can't learn that - unsigned comment from TheAlmightyChris (talk • contribs)

No, it was Sludge Bomb, which Crawdaunt can learn. --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 20:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

My mistake, thanks TheAlmightyChris 18:39, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Cheryl's Mothim & Ash's Chimchar

Cheryl's mothim used supersonic in the anime, but in the games, there's no way for him to learn it. am I right? - unsigned comment from Kevzo8 (talk • contribs)

Ash's chimchar can't use pound, isn't it? but in the anime, it was seen using that move. - unsigned comment from Kevzo8 (talk • contribs)

• Pound is basically just hitting the opponent, it doesn't count (just like Samurai's Pinsir using tackle in episode 1 shouldn't really count because all tackle does is plow into the opponent, any solid Pokemon can do that) - unsigned comment from Blackstone Dresden (talk • contribs)

Titles

In the exceptions section, why aren't the dub titles used?--KukiTalk 21:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Good question. I don't think there's any reason for not putting in the dub titles barring sheer laziness. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 21:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Anime Pokémon Used Moves

There are plenty of moves on the "Used Moves" section on the pages of anime Pokémon that they cannot learn, shouldn't those be seperate from ones they can learn? (ex. Satoshi's Lizardon/Ash's Charizard, check out all those "illegal" moves!) GuyNamedSean 01:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Masquerain

Unless I'm completely bugging, I remember (was a VERY short scene) a Masquerain using Surf in one of the contests that May entered, which of course, can't be learned by said pokemon. Anyone remember this? >_< Myzou 00:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I remember that scene. It could be Water Pulse, though. --☆Kevzo8 12:49, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Metagross

Really? First off it looked nothing like lock-on used when Brandon did it. Secondly I'm pretty sure it was just in reference to Metagross's supercomputer brain. And thirdly even if somehow it was lock-on it wouldn't explain why Metagross used it, Metagross did it to come up with a strategy against Wobbuffet. Lock-on would only guarantee Wobbuffet using a counter move like Counter or Mirror Coat not surpass it. And finally it was never mentioned by Team Rocket to be Lock on. Really it was mostly a reference to it's intelligence not a move itself. I thought that was pretty obvious given those "Fakey Equations" going through Metagross's eyes. I mean what Supercomputer is incapable of figuring out the angles and what needs to be done. With Lock-on the move it may have nothing to do with intelligence but in Metagross's case it was. So I think Metagross should be removed due to lack of evidence. --Dman dustin 10:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

A Dusknoir with Rapid Spin

In Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky anime special, Dusknoir used Rapid Spin, which it can't learn in the games. Also, what's the attack called that Dusknoir used on the ghost girl in Ghoul Daze?--Brats817 23:03, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I think it was will-o-wisp. Poisson14 01:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

If your going..

..to have a page listing this stuff then you may as well have a page listing the fact that in the anime Pokemon can learn more then 4 moves unlike the game. When Krabby evolved into Kingler it used 5 moves after evolving. And half of these moves listed are just the Pokemon doing things they could normally do if they were real which the anime makes out they are cause in the games you can't tell a Pokemon to dodge an attack or use an attack at the same time as an opponent. Also the comments about Counter for Caterpie and such IIRC Ash merely said for Caterpie to counter the attack not meaning use the counter attack but to do something to counter it which could be understandable since he could have not known the attacks it could use. Also if your adding things to this page then why not have that Brock's Onix used Wrap on many occasions? And Ash's Larvitar didn't use the move Harden, it just Hardened up which is an expression like clamming up. The anime doesn't follow the same rules as the games. To me this page seems a bit of a waste.--Lycos Ex Mortis 10:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

A whole page about that would be a waste. And I don't think they've ever used more than 4 moves in an episode. But aside from that, they could learn new moves. Basically, what you're saying is that we should also (if we made the page) add Ash's Pikachu to that page, since it has used more than 4 moves. Which is why the page would be a waste, because we'd be adding most of the main characters' Pokémon to the page, and only them. R.A. Hunter Blade 12:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Besides, there is a Differences between the games and anime page, that help point out the major differences between both versions, might want to check it out, but think carefully if you want to contribute because if you unintentionally post something that would be considered noteworthy, then I guarantee it will be removed. -Tyler53841 02:31, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Mewtwo

Should Mewtwo using Shadow Ball before it was introduced be in the "less blatant examples" section? Flyingtypefan 21:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

If "we" did that, we'd have to include all of the anime moves that came out before the games. Such as Aura Sphere, and what I'm assuming is "Night Burst" with Zoroark, as well as Blaziken's Blaze Kick. It could be a slippery slope. --Dman dustin 21:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Except those Pokémon were from the generations the moves debuted, unlike Mewtwo. --Gοldenpelt 05:34, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh. Well, i have another thing i think should be in the less blatant examples. Brock's Ludicolo knows Water Gun and Razor Leaf, and while it can learn both of those through breeding, it cannot have them both at once. What do you think? Flyingtypefan 00:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that sounds reasonable. --SnorlaxMonster 09:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Markings for dub errors

I think there should be a special mark for moves in which the dub made a mistake, not the original. Like Bulbasaur's Whirlwind and Vulpix's Agility. Maybe we could also have marks for moves that were incorrectly named in the original. Like Nosepass's Hyper Beam. Clearly, it was an electrical attack. Just a suggestion. --ケンジのガール 02:49, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

We could just add * with {{tt}} next to the move name mentioning that it only affects X language. --SnorlaxMonster 03:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Horsea's "Sludge"

In EP019, Horse was spraying ink, not sludge. So the move Horsea was actually using would be Octazooka, a move Horsea can learn through breeding. XVuvuzela2010X 00:09, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

So it wasn't stated to be Sludge, or even an attack? If so, the entry here and the move on Horsea's page need to be fixed, and the image should be deleted. --SnorlaxMonster 02:57, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

No, all they said was "Horsea's trying to tell us something", I've fixed this page, and the pages for Misty's Horsea and Sludge, I think the image can be removed since it's not used anywhere else. XVuvuzela2010X 09:32, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Based on what you've said, it seems unlikely to even be Octazooka, rather, it is just spitting ink. Unless it was stated to be that move, I don't think it should be considered as such. --SnorlaxMonster 11:25, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Thats fine, I just assumed it would be accepted as Octazooka as I thought it would be obvious, like how Shadow Ball and Rollout were used in M01, depite appearing before Gen II and not being reffered to as such. XVuvuzela2010X 11:40, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Comparing it to Octazooka's other anime appearances, it is not very similar. And it is very early in the anime for a next Generation move to appear. --SnorlaxMonster 12:31, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Sprites

I was reading this page, and noticed that the Pokémon sprites are ones from Platinum (I've never played DP, so it could be those). Shouldn't they be changed to HGSS or BW sprites? --Nathan2055 22:25, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Those files show the current sprites. I am certain they're from BW. If they're not, then they need to be updated. —♥ Jello^talk 22:30, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Oops, the BW sprites look a lot like DP sprites. --Nathan2055 22:35, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

James' Wheezing

In the Less blatant examples section it says: In another episode, Weezing is seen carrying James while levitating. First, Wheezing only possible ability (counting Dream World abilities) is Levitate. It also does not specifically say which episode this occurred in. --Nathan2055^talk 02:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

That was me, I did leave a note in the edit summary, but obviousy nobody seen it. The animation style would suggest that it is after EP261 and it would have to be before EP280, when Weezing and Arbok were dumped. XVuvuzela2010X 03:13, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Episode 5

I could find any other place to put this and i am not sure if it is just the player i am using. but when ash hands pikachu over to nurse Joy for a second there are 2 pikachus. Angel10698 20:17, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Each article has a errors section. Werdnae (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Just checked; didn't see it. —darklordtrom 21:05, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

oh....then it must be the player i am using. sorry. Angel10698 23:26, 10 February 2011 (UTC) i know each article has an error section but i wasn't sure if i was authorized to put stuff like that in. so i looked for the talk section and couldn't find one.Angel10698 23:28, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

There is still a possibility that no one saw that error, but I don't remember seeing that when I watched it. --Nathan2055^talk 19:26, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Misty's Staryu (and Ash's Caterpie too, for that matter)

Are we sure that they're actually using the move Counter? What stops it from being just an order to counter-attack? Staryu's attack looks nothing like Counter when used by Wobbuffet or Houndoom use it. There is no glow or anything, all it does is jump out of the water and use another Tackle. Considering that neither Staryu or Caterpie can learn it, I think it would make perfect sense that it wasn't really Counter being used, just an order to launch any attack of its own. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 08:48, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Regigigas's Hammer Arm

OK, apparently other people seem to think it DID use Hammer Arm. Rather than remove it again and start an edit war, I'm going to state why I think it didn't use Hammer Arm. First, the attack's name was never identified. Second, so Regigigas's fist glowed and it hit the Regi trio with it. That's not only a trait of Hammer Arm, but it can also apply to Focus Punch or Mega Punch, both of them being moves Regigigas CAN learn. Would it not make sense to assume one of those first?

As for Entei's Hypnosis, it's not a real Entei, so it shouldn't be counted as an error. I believe that for a similar reason we didn't include Dr. Yung's Aggron's Bullet Seed, as said Aggron was a Mirage Pokémon. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 12:56, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Hammer Arm wasn't identified, but still, I believe it was Hammer Arm. As opposed to Focus or Mega Punch, Regigigas's arms up to its elbows were white. It raised its arms above its head, and then slammed the Regis down into the ground with its forearms. Keyword: foreams. Focus and Mega Punch are just that, a punch; so it wasn't a punch. Hmm, though I do see your point about Entei, however. It wasn't a real Pokemon, so it probably could learn moves it can't learn on its own. 0-0 I guess my opinion would be feel free to take that off. ^-^ Littlmiget123 14:28, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Alright, yeah, I see what you mean. Could've been Hammer Arm, then, though I swear that when I saw the episode, I was thinking Focus Punch. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 16:18, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

With the more newer episodes, such as that one, Focus Punch is usually associated with a light blue aura around the fist, as well. ^-^ Littlmiget123 16:47, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Personally, I don't really agree with Hypnosis's removal. I could understand that the fake Entei could use moves it cant normally learn, but every other move it uses are normal moves for Entei. If it used a whole bunch of other moves like Hydro Pump or Ice Beam then fine, but it appears as though it was a genuine error.

Though if it does not actually send the other Pokemon to sleep, then I'm fine with removing it (I cant remember this part of the film). XVuvuzela2010X 17:04, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

In the movie, Entei uses it to control Delia and make her believe that she is Molly's Mom instead of Ash's. Littlmiget123 17:17, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Constrict

Does Duplica's ditto (as Ash's Bulbasaur) actually use constrict? It is not mentioned in the dub, was it mentioned in Japanese? XVuvuzela2010X 00:39, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I had added that one. Epic fail on my part. I misheard something in the dub. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 15:17, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Nuzleaf

Nuzleaf has a Grasswhistle error which is mentioned in the main part of the article and in the minor errors section. Which section does it belong in, and can the other be removed? Ikarishipper900 01:02, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Different generation moves

Should we split that section to differentiate between which ones were previously actually possible (Espeon's Zap Cannon, Charizard's Dragonbreath), and which ones really were errors at the time of the episode airing (Koffing's Poison Gas, Lickitung's Lick)? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 15:18, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I guess, but the article is already split up a lot anyway. --SnorlaxMonster 15:50, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Mew and Mewtwo

Are they really using Psybeam? Psybeam in the anime has always been a multicoloured beam, wherase Mew and Mewtwo's is only pink and blue respectively. XVuvuzela2010X 03:39, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Lance's Dragonite

Lance's Dragonite is shown in the anime knowing Whirlwind, but I don't see any information about Dragonite being able to learn WhirlWind. Why no mention? -Insert Witty Dialog Here NateVirus(Talk) 02:16, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

• Hope it is okay that I added it. ---NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 05:02, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Proposed new rule for anime move errors

I suggest that we not assume that a Pokémon uses a move it cannot learn in the games, unless outright stated that it is the move. Of course, if a move was ridiculously blatant, then it should still be considered the move (can't think of an existing example), but no Pokémon should be assumed to use a move like Fly if it cannot learn the move and it is not outright stated. --SnorlaxMonster 10:38, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

*coughs* I agree about the Fly thing as well as Dig and Surf and any other moves that animals could generally perform in nature anyway. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 11:08, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

And this is something I hope to apply to the individual move pages as well. For example, Fly (move) currently lists both Garchomp and Heracross as anime move errors, despite only carrying their Trainer and not being stated to be using the move. --SnorlaxMonster 12:13, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

• Nods* I agree about the Fly thing. That's how I used to add them: If the Pokemon didn't learn the moves, then they shouldn't be added to the page. I did not add Heracross and Garchomp, but someone was so determined that they were using Fly. ^-^; Littlmiget123 16:43, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I had added them before because that just seemed to be what Fly was in the anime. But I dont think any of the Digs or Fly's are even listed on the user's pages, so just remove them. Some other things may need checking:

• Wobbuffet and Larvitar dont really look like they are using Bide/Harden, or anything, in those pics.
• Was it ever stated that Rayquaza was using Seismic Toss? Its not like it could have been commanded to do it.
• After Duplica's Ditto used "Constrict" was removed, I dont trust the claim that mini-Dit used Tackle.
• I cant see why Kriketune, a bug, would be using Bullet Seed.
• Can we get a better pic for Yuxie's Teleport? Like one that doesnt look like a testcard.

XVuvuzela2010X 22:04, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I can't vouch for most of those. But is was specifically stated that Larvitar used Harden when Brock and Misty tried talking to it. --ケンジのガール 22:08, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I can try and respond to those as best as I can. ^-^'

• Wobbuffet was told to use Bide by Jessie. However, it didn't have enough time to use the attack, which is why I didn't add it. Another user did, however. As for Larvitar, it was using Harden.
• I didn't really see it as Seismic Toss, I just saw it as Rayquaza inflicting damage (or trying to kill) Deoxys. Again, another user added it, so I improved it.
• I'm pretty much against every Tackle attack that Pokémon used at the beginning of the show.
• Kricketune actually uses Bullet Seed, if you'd watch the movie. I was surprised by that, too.

I hope I answered all of your statements to your liking. ^-^ Littlmiget123 23:44, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

How many of the ones with Tackle are told "use Tackle" instead of "tackle it"? R.A. Hunter Blade 01:17, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I think we should check every use of Tackle. In Extreme Pokémon: The Guide for the Ultimate Fan, it says "Beedrill began with a Tackle Attack.", so that's one confirmed. --SnorlaxMonster 10:10, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Jeanette does say Beedrill, Tackle attack!. And in Pikachu's Revolt, James says, Tackle, now!, for Victreebel and Lickitung, so they are confirmed. XVuvuzela2010X 12:35, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

And for Zippo, the commentator says Ritchie's Charmander delivers a devastating Tackle attack, but Ritchie doesnt actually order it to use the move. XVuvuzela2010X 12:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Golduck was never mentioned to be using nay move, so Ive removed it. XVuvuzela2010X 12:54, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Mini-Dit is confirmed as Duplica says Mini-Dit, try a Tackle attack XVuvuzela2010X 13:19, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

For Lickitung and Victreebel, I wouldn't call Tackle, now! proof that it's a move. That sounds like the kind of thing that could just be a physical action. However, they both used Tackle on other occasions. I just checked Princess vs. Princess, and Jessie says "prepare for Tackle attack", so Lickitung is confirmed. Victreebel used Tackle in Flower Power too; Jessie said "Use Tackle attack together" to Victreebel and Arbok, which is where this image came from. --SnorlaxMonster 16:56, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Lickitung didnt use tackle in Princess vs Princess. I just watched it, and it ignored her and just stood there. XVuvuzela2010X 17:04, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it didn't, but it was commanded to. The judges commented that the Pokémon were ignoring their Trainers. If it couldn't use the move, it wouldn't be ignoring her. --SnorlaxMonster 17:15, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I dont think Princess vs Princess should be listed in the First Use column, since it didnt actually use the move. Also, for Pikachu, in The Double Trouble Header, Ash and Casey order their Pokemon to use a Double Tackle attack, so I dont know if that should be here? XVuvuzela2010X 17:29, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Pikachu also uses Tackle in Trouble's Brewing too, along with Arbok, Victreebel and Poliwhirl. At least according to the article. --SnorlaxMonster 17:36, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Chariozard is confirmed: Use your Tackle attack. XVuvuzela2010X 17:47, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

On the subject of Larvitar, did Brock or rather Takeshi specifically say "kataku naru" (Japanese pronunciation of Harden) or are you all basing it on the dub. Because the dub made it clear that Brock wasn't referring to the actual move, but was using it to describe Larvitar's emotional state. It's kind of like saying "My son put up a brick wall, and now he won't talk to me" if you know anything about metaphors, you would know that in my example the father didn't mean the son LITERALLY put up a brick wall but was used as a metaphor to refer to the son's emotional state. If I remember correctly what Brock specifically said was "Larvitar hardened up" it was a reference to its emotional state, not a Pokemon move. Basically if you didn't get the metaphor, is Larvitar is hardened up and didn't allow other people to get close to him on the same level as Ash. Now before "kataku naru" is confirmed, can the metaphor be translated in Japanese in the same way, or not? --Dman dustin 18:05, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Regarding Bulbasaur's Whirlwind, according to the moves page, he first used it in EP010? And to partly answer the question above, most of the errors on this page should be presumed to be dub only until confirmed. XVuvuzela2010X 18:11, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

What Kenji-girl said about Whirlwind. --SnorlaxMonster 03:51, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

I feel that if there is one use which is "Tackle it!", and is later used as "Use Tackle attack", we should consider the first one the first use. It wasn't confirmed to be Tackle in that episode, but it was later on. Unless of course there is a difference in the method of use. I'm referring to Pikachu and Poliwhirl specifically. --SnorlaxMonster 08:38, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Haunter's Leer

In The Tower of Terror, when Ash's Charmander is ordered to use Leer against Haunter, Haunter uses Leer back at it. But since, being a wild Pokemon at the time, its not ordered to use leer, should it be included? XVuvuzela2010X 18:58, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Um, that wasn't Leer? After Charmander used Leer, Haunter used a Lick attack after staring at it for a while to see if it would effect. ^-^' Littlmiget123 20:51, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Pokémon performing an action which resembles a move

would this includes pokemon who dig, fly and dive but without actually using the move? Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 19:59, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

The section really isn't needed at all. It was originally a text-only list explaining why certain things weren't errors, and was turned into another list altogether (which seems unnecessary to me). If it is kept, I guess those are, but I don't see why we need anything more than plain text with perhaps a few images. --SnorlaxMonster 12:11, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Entei's 'Hypnosis'

As stated previously, Entei's 'Hypnosis' was not used to put Delia to sleep, so it cannot be the move. Vuvuzela2010 ☠ 17:18, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually, it did put her to sleep. Then when she woke up, she was in a trance. Also, at the beginning of the series, and even now, Hypnosis is used to put people in trance. Three that easily come to mind is Melvin's Exeggcute and Exeggutor, and Hypno from the Pokemon Lover's Club. u_u Littlmiget123 20:14, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Gary's Umbreon

Can we settle the Umbreon Agility dispute once and for all? Gary's Umbreon was told to use its agility. Consider that another Umbreon has used the move illegally and was depicted similarly to how Gary's Umbreon used Quick Attack. Gary's showed no signs that it was doing anything more than dodging, which can be allowed because to "use your agility" is synonymous with "use your speed" (to dodge). That is my belief in what happened and I would like someone to respond beyond undoing my removal of what I believe to be a misinterpretation. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 08:28, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

No one in the anime ever says 'use your speed'. They'd tell their Pokemon to dodge the attack. And yes, Tamao's Umbreon used an attack similar to Quick Attack, however, it isn't Quick Attack. That's like saying Scald looks similar to Water Gun, so it must be Water Gun. v-v But she told it to use Agility. Pokemon can have a variety of attack patterns (again, I point out Axew's Dragon Rage), and attack errors are the same way. Telling a Pokemon to 'use its speed' to dodge an attack isn't a sentence in the English language and doesn't really make all that much sense. Also, if the topic hasn't been replied to, don't get rid of said information from the page. Add a reminder to the topic because I didn't even see this on the recent changes because I've been busy this weekend. v-v Otherwise, I would have replied. Littlmiget123 14:15, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

You don't think it would be more unreasonable to make up the ability to use a move than to say "use your speed"? Gary spent most of the episode boasting about Umbreon's speed. Your entire argument, with all due respect, is based on "this isn't what happens in the English language"

The decision on moves is flawed in my opinion - no one is ever allowed to have Fly on their template because the term is too commonplace but Agility, despite not being able to learn it and it already knowing Double Team, must be a move. Not long ago, Counter was taken off Misty's Staryu because I convinced people that it was used as a simple battle command, not an order to use the actual move. I believe that Umbreon's agility cut from the same cloth.

I included the point about Tamao's Umbreon, not because I'm doubting that it was told to use Agility, but because I am comparing it to Gary's, which I am doubting. A) it looks completely different, B) because Gary's Umbreon doesnt do anything more than dodge, not in any way resembling anyone else using Agility at the time.

Finally, and the most important part, is that Agility was ordered in the DUB ONLY. Those points I believe are surely enough to put doubt that the writers intended to give Umbreon a move that it didn't know. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 20:22, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Also please don't "community" me when you're the only one reverting and commenting. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 23:48, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Please don't talk rudely to me. I am merely defending my claim just as you wanted it; I am not attacking you in any way. -_- I am also not implying in the least bit that I am taking it upon myself to speak for the community, nor did I ever say that. I was just merely saying that you cannot take it off after bringing up the conversation a day later, especially since your edit has been reverted a couple of times.

To counter your first point, you never hear any other character in the show, let alone any other show, refer to dodging an attack as agility. Agility is used to say how fast a character is, yes, but it is never used in a sentence like that. I'm a native speaker of the USA, and I accel in Literature and Language Arts.

For your next point, when Pikachu's Agility debuted, it showed Pikachu dodging Raichu's Body Slam and Take Down attacks, and this was referred to as Agility. In fact, most of the instances that Agility is used, it is used for dodging attacks. Going down the template, I can list Pikachu, Farfetch'd, Seadra, Goldeen, Dragonite, Skarmory, Cyndaquil, and you can probably see the rest.

Fly is a much different case. As is Counter. When Counter is said at the begining of the show, it is mostly used as a replacement for a 'Counterattack'. This brings us back to point number one. ^-^; Littlmiget123 02:01, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Rudeness was never my intention, sorry if that was how my wording was construed. However, I do not accept your argument and I would like to hear from others. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 03:03, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I just rewatched the episode and whilst I see your point, it should be noted that Brock said "Umbreon has great agility", as opposed to "a great Agility" or "a great Agility attack". One never says "Quilava has great Flamethrower" or "Flygon has great Earthquake". "This I think holds some weight that it was intended as an adjective, not a move. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 03:36, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Also, agility refers to speed and nimbleness - the exact qualities that would be required to dodge an attack. Personally, I'd lean towards it just being the best word for the translation rather than the actual move, especially since it is dub only. Using any other word or combination of words in there would likely have made it sound awkward, and as a result the translators were left beteen a rock and a hard place. Werdnae (talk) 03:59, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Very well put Werdnae, thanks :) Toon Ganondorf (t c) 04:07, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

For the record, Misty's command to Staryu was "Counterattack"/"Counter attack". Anyway, "use your agility" does not make it an attack; it is perfectly normal English, and since it was not in the Japanese version, Umbreon cannot learn Agility, and another Umbreon has used it and it looked completely different, I see no reason to assume that it is an attack. It would be nice if someone could get the original Japanese quote for the command though. Also, I think it is better to remove a potentially erroneous statement then discuss it, rather than leave it there potentially giving misinformation to readers while it is discussed, unless there is significant reason not to. --SnorlaxMonster 07:55, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

The Japanese dialogue:

ノボル「フーディン！連続で爆裂パンチだ！」 Houdin! Consecutive Explosive Punches!

シゲル「フットワークでかわすんだ！」 Dodge it with your footwork!

タケシ「あのブラッキー、いい動きをしてるな」 That Blacky's certainly moving well.

カスミ「防御もイケてる」 It's got great defence too...

サトシ「うん」 Mm.

シゲル「もうお終いかい」 Are you finished yet?

Bluesun 12:33, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I suppose I concede defeat. ^-^ It can be gotten rid of. Everyone brought up some good points. v-v Littlmiget123 16:34, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Tony's Bite

Having rewatched the episode, at no point in it does Ralph order the specific move Bite. In fact, he doesn't say anything. Granted, Fury Swipes was ordered and is a legitimate anime move error. However, Bite seemed just to be a desperate last resort for Tony as Arbok was crushing him and his mate. I do recall that Ash's Pikachu used its teeth to bite onto something in one of the Pikachu shorts (memory fails me I'm afraid) so I would like to question the presence of Tony using Bite on this page. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 03:59, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

If it wasn't called Bite in the anime, then it shouldn't be treated as the move. Did the same "never commanded to use the move" apply to Maria as well? --SnorlaxMonster 13:52, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Pokémon which can learn a move only via an event

I find this section completely unnecessary. Event is just as valid a method of learning a move as move tutor, pre-evolution, or form change. I know it's under the non-errors heading, but we would be putting stuff like Victini's V-create there as well. Honestly, I don't think we need the "Pokémon performing an action which resembles a move" section either, since it really just exists to stop people from adding them to the main list (which could easily be solved by a list here on the talk page). --SnorlaxMonster 14:47, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree fully with the event thing. They were given the moves on purpose fully knowing that they can't learn it under normal circumstances. Things are not errors when they are done intentionally. If the Pokémon can learn a move by any means in the games, it should not be counted as an error. It's making it seem like learning things by event is an illegitimate way to get certain moves. --ケンジのガール 23:35, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

I completely agree. The animators knew exactly what they were doing when they used aime counterparts for specific individuals of species brought on by game events.--SandmanDP 00:00, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Lugia's "unknown" move

The article states that Lugia uses an unknown Psychic type move to break the ice .

Wouldn't it be more likely that Lugia is using safeguard to break the ice?

The little force field could of fade by dissipating its energy into breaking the ice. Yamitora1 09:20, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Name change

Very few of these are actual "errors". Not many people seem to realize that everything from the games doesn't always apply to the anime. Why should a Pokémon with a different move set be considered an "error", but a Pokémon with an entirely different history isn't called an "error" (i.e. Mewtwo was born from a Mew in the games... he was born from an incubator-type machine in the anime). I suggest changing the name of this article to "Anime move differences" or something.

On an unrelated note, a section of "moves used by Pokémon at a time in which the move could not be used in the games" is missing. Stuff in this section would include Ash's Charizard using Fly before Yellow Version came out, Victor's Pikachu using Surf before Nintendo distributed their first 1000 Surfing Pikachus / released Pokémon Stadium 2 (although I think this would have been different in Japan), Mewtwo using Shadow Ball before Generation II came out, along with many others. Dannyjenn 04:21, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

The name issue was brought up on the forums, but we couldn't come up with a decent alternative. I don't like "anime move differences", because it implies that they are different within the anime, not different to the games.

As for the missing "moves used by Pokémon at a time in which the move could not be used in the games", Ash's Charizard didn't use Fly until EP105, by which stage Yellow was already out. Also, we don't consider Puka riding a surfboard to be using the move Surf either. Mewtwo doesn't count because the move didn't exist then, and it gained access as soon as it did. --SnorlaxMonster 10:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Also, the section you suggested already exists; it's called "Former errors". It includes James's Koffing/Weezing using Poison Gas and Jessie's Lickitung using Lick. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 23:57, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Moves Section

I couldn't think of another section to put this in: it's called the Moves Used section, not the the Moves Commanded to use section. Just because a trainer tells his/her Pokemon to do something, doesn't necessarily mean that the pokemon actually knows that move. Remember when James told Weezing to use Hyper Beam, and they realized that Weezing never learned the move? If they had been interrupted before Weezing could "use" Hyper Beam, would we still list it in the Moves Used section for it? - unsigned comment from Confusion (talk • contribs)

I don't think so. James said he had never gotten around to teaching Weezing Hyper Beam, so it doesn't know it and it ended up using Smog instead. I don't think it counts. Littlmiget123 00:17, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

No, I just mean those instances when trainers tell their pokemon to use a move, they get interrupted before it can be done, and we still list it in the Moves Used Section. Like...Bianca telling her Escavalier to use Quick Guard.

Oh, okay, I see what you're getting at now... However, this page is for anime move errors. Weezing using Hyper Beam and Escavalier using Quick Guard are moves that they can learn, right? ^-^ That's what their sections are for on their Trainer's page. Littlmiget123 01:28, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Normajean's Tedfiursa

There's a picture of Chimecho and Kricketot there! Vandalism! Chowolun 13:49, 9 April 2012 (UTC) User:Lucario985

Other pictures as well! Chowolun 13:52, 9 April 2012 (UTC) User:Lucario985

What are you talking about?--ForceFire 13:56, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm talking about those mixed up pictures! Chowolun 14:00, 9 April 2012 (UTC) User:Lucario985

There's only Teddiursa in the picture. How is it mixed up? Do give another example.--ForceFire 14:06, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I went back, it was either fixed, or I'm starting to hallucinate. Dammit! Chowolun 00:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC) User:Lucario985

Heracross

In one episode (I think it is League Unleashed), Ash's Heracross used Focus Punch (nothing abnormal since it can learn the move) but the move was used via Sleep Talk which in the games cannot happen, isn't this an anime move error?--Igor (talk) 02:16, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Heracross can learn Sleep Talk via TM in Gen IV, and tutoring in B2W2 (though the latter is hardly applicable. The former is more accurate to the time period.) ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 02:19, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I said: It used Focus Punch via Sleep Talk, which cannot happen in the games.--Igor (talk) 02:37, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't see why that wouldn't be possible? Crystal Talian 02:42, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Isn't the page name "Anime move errors"? This piece that I found belongs here and not Anime physics--Igor (talk) 02:44, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

This page is for moves that a Pokémon used that they normally shouldn't be able to use in the games. That piece you gave, while true, doesn't fit the criteria of this page, as Jo said about Heracross learning Sleep Talk via TM. The piece could go into the episode's page or could be thrown out due to our "anime=/=game" rule.--ForceFire 02:53, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Moves that can't be selected by Mirror Move/Sleep Talk/Sketch etc. are very game mechanic-based and really shouldn't apply to the anime. Also, Sleep Talk can select Focus Punch in Generation II. --SnorlaxMonster 08:43, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

(I'm not arguing with your actual opinion; just mentioning a mistaken claim:) Actually, Focus Punch didn't exist in Gen II, so it would be impossible for Sleep Talk to select it. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:22, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I give up.--Igor (talk) 18:11, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Roserade bullet seed

In BW098, Roserade used Bullet Seed, but it can only learn through TM in Generation IV.- unsigned comment from HenryXYZ (talk • contribs)

You can trade a Roserade with Bullet Seed to Generation V games, so it doesn't belong to the page just like Roark's Geodude and Andreas's Poliwrath.--電禅Den Zen 22:05, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Parasect's Sleep Powder/proposing notes column

I think that it should be noted in the row about Parasect using Sleep Powder that the use of this move was most likely a mistake and that the people who make the anime got Sleep Powder confused with Spore, a move with the same effect as Sleep Powder that Parasect can learn. I would just make a notes column in the table, but I'm not sure if it should have an entire column for notes if there are only notes in one row. If this lack of a significant number of rows with entries in the proposed column would be a problem, how many rows containing text in the column would be required for me to add the column? And can anyone think of any other notes that could be put in the first table? Mangaman13 (talk) 17:24, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Not sure where to put this...

In episode XY012, a Vivillon uses Safeguard to block a Mud Shot, but Safeguard doesn't block attacks-where do I put this? - unsigned comment from Mangaman13 (talk • contribs)

That's not what this page is for; this page is for Pokémon that know moves they shouldn't. What you're talking about is simply anime =/= games, which goes nowhere. --SnorlaxMonster 13:49, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't know if "errors" would be the right word for it...

Perhaps "Anime move discrepancies" would fit better?StongRadd (talk) 03:29, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I've never really been comfortable with the page's current name. (It has been discussed before; see #Name change.) The main issue is we never really worked out a good, concise name. --SnorlaxMonster 04:48, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Hoopa shorts

In the first segment of the 'Hoopa Appears' shorts, several Pokémon are seen using Gust which can't learn it in the games. I want to add them, but I'm not sure how the episode is going to be numbered since I can't find their pages on the site. Watchermark (talk) 14:45, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Helioptile's Electric move

Are we sure it was Discharge? I watched the episode, and, in the dub at least, it was never explicitly stated that they were using Discharge. Is there any reason we can't just assume it was something Helioptile can learn, such as Thunder Shock or Thunderbolt? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 14:31, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Pinsir using Air Slash in Mega Evolution Special IV

Pinsir used Air Slash in the Mega Evolution Special act 4. But I could not properly edit it in. Please put it in if you can.- Super10ZX 22:01 (UTC)

It was added before but was stated to be Double Hit instead of Air Slash. PattyMan 22:40, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh, ok.- Super10ZX 23:00 (UTC)

Proof

Check the link. This really counts as Hydro Pump, right? http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/c/c3/Keanan_Wooper_Quagsire_Hydro_Pump.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1024?cb=20160609151638 - unsigned comment from CoolPokeGuy (talk • contribs)

Submission and Bubble Beam

With the update for Pokémon Bank and Poké Transporter now can any Pokémon from Gen I to VII learn these moves via TM. could update for couple's Nidoqueen and Nidoking and Virgil's Vaporeon? --HoopsterJohn (talk) 03:01, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Bellsprout High Jump Kick?

Found this old clip of a Belsprout using "High Jump Kick" against Ash's Muk.

(link removed)

TehPerson (talk) 20:52, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

High Jump Kick is not called out in that clip; please don't assume things based on that animation. Additionally, please don't link to pirated copies of anime episodes or segments of them. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:58, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Hydro Pump and Discharge

How are we sure that those are those moves? Helioptile could easily be using Thunder Shock or Thunderbolt, it was never explicitly stated what move the Electric-types were using. And Wooper, Quagsire, and Lotad could easily be using Water Gun, which they can in fact learn. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 16:56, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

The captions told us they were Hydro Pump. Playerking95 (talk) 17:19, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Roxanne's Nosepass

Roxanne's Nosepass supposedly using Hyper Beam in the Japanese version was recently added back to this page. This had been removed in the past because there didn't seem to be confirmation that it actually was referred to as Hyper Beam in the Japanese version. According to Dman Dustin in the #Nosepass and Hyperbeam? section of this talk page, it's referred to as "Zap Cannon" in the Japanese version. Can anyone confirm otherwise? --SnorlaxMonster 14:32, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

It was Zap Cannon, she shouted "Denjihou!" twice. Playerking95 (talk) 15:51, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Sableye using Lick

Are you sure it was confirmed to be the move and not just licking Torchic like Bulbasaur licked Psyduck? Pikachu210 (talk) 21:21, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

If Mewtwo's Psywave is a former error

Shouldn't Typhlosion's Headbutt also be a former error since Typhlosion can learn Headbutt via move tutor in HeartGold and SoulSilver? Pikachu210 (talk) 15:11, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

I've moved Mewtwo's Psywave to the correct section. --SnorlaxMonster 13:58, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

rhyhorn using tackle is no longer an error.

as of Generation VIII, Rhyhorn can now learn Tackle Pikachu210 (talk) 19:56, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

What's the stance on transfer-only moves?

I ask this because there were a few edits made to reffer to two Pokémon using Double Team in a gwme where transfers were available. The moves previously listed however, reffer to actually impossible to learn moves that were available. (As a consequense of no gen 2 -> gen 3 transfer) So how should these entries be treated? CoolMan6001 (talk) 12:48, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

A Riolu/Kanto Farfetch'd caught in a Gen VIII game cannot learn Double Team. A transferred Pokémon from a Gen VII or prior game is not a Pokémon that was caught in a Gen VIII game. So what if you can transfer it? It still doesn't mean you can catch a wild Riolu in Gen VIII and teach it Double Team.--ForceFire 12:57, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Well in that case, are there more examples of Pokémon using transfer-only moves? (Especially the older parts of the anime) I mean things like a Nidoking using Seismic Toss in the BW anime, or something knowing Double-Edge from the gen 3 tutor.

This pages focuses on moves that Pokémon cannot know in a particular generation. If a Pokémon cannot learn the move in a particular generation, but can know it in that generation if it learnt the move in an earlier generation and is transferred forward, that move is not listed on this page. --SnorlaxMonster 10:32, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Should we add Pikachu's Iron Tail for gen 5 then? ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 15:12, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Has an agreement on this been reached yet? As far as it seems, I don't see a side to lean towards now. CoolMan6001 (talk) 23:43, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Pikachu already knew Iron Tail before Gen V, though. So I don't think that particularly counts. That's like saying Ash brought his Sceptile to Kanto even though Treecko cannot be caught in Kanto in FRLG.--ForceFire 04:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Not anime move errors

Just for posterity, the section "Similar examples that are not anime move errors" is being removed. One, because that title alone explicitly means it doesn't belong on the page. Two, because the top of the page clearly says it's only an "error" if it can't be learned in any game. None of those moves have any place on this page.

Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:25, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Bringing back "not move errors" in a different way

I think it could be possible to bring a portion or the section back, namely moves that are unobtainable for the generation. It still isn't possible to get a Water Gun Goldeen in generation III, as an example, so it still is a move error.

The concept of "any game" as the current intro says is a bit of a misnomer. Using the Water Gun Goldeen example, it's true that it is still possible to obtain a Water Gun Goldeen, as the anime being in generation 3 wouldn't stop an RBY player from doing this. The problem here is the exact concept that the Water Gun Goldeen can't be in generation 3, which makes certain scenarios like the Goldeen also knowing say, Mud Shot, impossible, nor could that Water Gun Goldeen go toe-to-toe with a Pokémon introduced in generation III-VI in said generations.

Unobtainble moves don't count for this because it is technically still possible for the Pokémon to know the move, as the game doesn't force a mon that knows one that was transfered to forget it. The other examples work because generation II Pokémon can not be transfered to generation III.

This all leads me to believe that the unobtainable for the generation section should be taken back. (Obviously not in the state it was remmoved in. A name like "Unnobtainable for the generation" can work) CoolMan6001 (talk) 20:31, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

The anime is not the games. It is not reasonable to expect that just because the anime moved into "Gen III", a Goldeen is all of a sudden not allowed to know Water Gun. You just cannot expect the anime and the games to be in lockstep like that. The "physics" of the anime world do not change just because a game does. Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:13, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

The issue with this argument is that this entire article is based on a concept that has to be in lockstep with the games. Goldeen not being able to learn Water Gun in "Gen III" should be just as valid as Shiftry suddenly being able to learn Whirlwind because the anime moved into "Gen IV." In fact, if the argument of "anime isn't the games" is applied to this topic, we might as well delete this whole article because "The anime isn't the game, so Raticate can use literately any move it wants to, including Jump Kick." At the very least only the former errors section would get cut from this article, because the argument of "physics can't change" would mean that a move would always have to be an error or not instead of switching.

So as a response, yes it is reasonable that Goldeen can no longer learn Water Gun because the anime is in Gen III. Not to mention, other parts of this article and similar ones would have already been culled to some degree if your argument was the logic used. CoolMan6001 (talk) 23:25, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

"The anime is not the games" is a shorthand warning, so let's just toss that phrase aside. The real point is:

Expecting anime movesets to basically correspond to the games is not unreasonable, but the anime "world" must still be self-consistent, and Goldeen being able to know Water Gun in one episode and not in the next is simply nonsense. Trying to say that the anime must precisely follow the games' movesets when the anime moves into a new "generation" is nonsense. That's prioritizing the games over the anime unreasonably.

You should also note that the top of the page says this page is for moves that Pokemon cannot learn legitimately in any of the games.

As for former errors: I can understand how that section was created, just because they were on the page "legitimately" at one point. But if you wanna advocate for removing that section, that's fine by me. Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:03, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

It took me a while to realize this, but I just realized why what I was suggesting isn't possible: It would create a continuity error. The reason the one for "Illegal until a later generation" works is because of how a move can become legal later and not cause a continuity error.

Sorry for the long wait, but I'm gonna drop this one. I now realize why it would not be feasible. CoolMan6001 (talk) 00:55, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

M16 Mewtwo using Psywave

Should the Mega Mewtwo Y from Genesect and the Legend Awakened using Psywave be added here? I'm asking this because Psywave isn't usable in Sword and Shield. YoungMan16 (talk) 04:21, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

What relevance does Sword and Shield have to Genesect and the Legend Awakened (which was released during Generation V, to promote Generation VI)? And even if a move is unusable in Sword and Shield, why would that have any bearing on whether it belongs on this page? --SnorlaxMonster 13:31, 5 July 2021 (UTC)