Bulbapedia talk:Project Pokédex/Archive 3

About external links and fan shrines...

I couldn't help but notice that within the Project Pokedex section, it is mentioned that Pokemon can receive not only wikipedia links but fan shrine links, too.

Now, before I jumped ahead of myself, I checked a few of the obviously more popular Pokemon, like Eevee or Pikachu. You can't go wrong with that. What I noticed is that the only fan stuffs listed is fanlistings, though. While that's something, it is what it is... a list. Granted, Poke-centric (that is, non human) shrines seem to be hard to come by in the 'States for some reason.

So, my question is, what would I have to do to get a fan shrine listed? Does there have to meet certain requirements? Is it necessary that it's a fanlisting? The site is in English, in case you're wondering. I know the ratio of Japanese artsy Poke-centric sites to US ones is extremely skewed in their favor, so I can see where that could be a concern, if a concern at all. --Nidorino 16:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I would say in this matter, it's more quality that matters than notability. If you have a site that is good enough to be of interest to someone looking for some sort of information on the Pokémon - go ahead and add it. But if it's something that's low-quality and not useful, expect to see the link removed shortly after.

Also, I would rule that foreign language sites can also be included - but with stricter inclusion standards, at the bottom of the external links list, and with its language included in parentheses so people don't click expecting an English site and get something in a different language. --Pie ^~♪♫ 18:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's actually more interesting and for leisure than it is informational. I sorta made it both because I thought the Nidoran line was severely underappreciated and I got a little tired of the thousands of informational Pokemon sites but no fun multimedia ones. I suppose for what it's worth, it'll probably be really nice for any Pokemon fan since there's lots to see and do (for a Nido centric site, it's actually doing really well), I put a lot of work into it as well.

The quality lies in the content, I go all out on what talents I have all for the sake of Nido Pokemon. There's also people who share the same idea, so a lot of contributions have come from people all over, it's probably one of the biggest Nido fan gatherings, which truthfully isn't a hard goal to aspire for considering the Pokemon in question. My main reasoning behind it, though, is that I just think that Nido fans shouldn't be left out of the picture, considering I know how hard it is to find anything interesting about them at all.

So I guess what it comes down to is what one wants. It someone's trying to read hard facts, well, they could do that anywhere. But if someone's looking for something fun and different, that's the goal I want to accomplish.

Would that still be okay?--Nidorino 18:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Biology

There's been a bit of controversy over the content in the biology section of Typhlosion's article. It may be an idea to keep an eye over the stuff that goes in that section. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 23:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

... how in the world did we miss that? D: --Pie ^~♪♫ 00:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Darn, i want to know what it says lol Broloth 06:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Diamond and Pearl Pokéradar

In relation to the Pokeradar in Daimond and Pearl. Should it be mentioned in the Rarity section like Nidoran♀ (Pokémon) or in the Location section like Venonat (Pokémon). Just asking so that there can be some consistancy in the articles. Pterodactal 08:44, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Do we need to point out that the Pokéradar Pokémon are rare? If not, we have a free space to fit it in:

Game	Rarity	Location
Pokémon Diamond and Pearl	Pokéradar	Route 201

Otherwise, I prefer how Venonat looks. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 17:05, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

They aren't always rare. And I've been adding in an availability template to Pokémon pages:

This Pokémon was unavailable prior to Generation III.

Generation III

Ruby

Sapphire

Few	Shoal Cave

Emerald

Few	Shoal Cave

FireRed

LeafGreen

None	Trade

Colosseum

None	Trade

XD

None	Trade

Generation IV

Diamond

Pearl

Rare	Routes 216 and 217, Acuity Lakefront (Poké Radar)

Platinum

None	Trade

HeartGold

SoulSilver

None	Trade

Generation V

None	Trade

Black 2

White 2

None	Trade

Generation VI

X

Y

None	Trade

That's what Snorunt has. T T Echidna 01:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm missing how that template affects the current issue. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 21:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. So what about those in the Trophy Garden but need the pokéradar to be found. Should this be mentioned in the location section as well as that they are found in the Trophy Garden? The question was raised when looking at the Meowth page.

Yes, it should mention on both pages. And the page is on Meowth, Meowth is a disambiguation page, so you'd better use the {{p}} template. T T Echidna 18:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok but what about the PokéRadar in the Trophy Garden?Pterodactal 10:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean? T T Echidna 00:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

All of the pokemon that change daily in the Trophy Garden eg Happiny, Porygon and Mime Jr. require Pokeradar to find. Should this be mentioned in the template's location section? Pterodactal 06:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Do they? If so, well, do like Snorunt. Put "Trophy Garden (Poké Radar)" in the dparea thing. T T Echidna 09:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

The Trophy Garden Pokémon don't need Poké Radar. You just need to walk around a lot. - - - dra2k4 09:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

DONE THANKS GUYS Pterodactal 11:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Tiers

Might it be a good idea to create a category for each tier of Pokémon, as of Diamond/Pearl? It would be a bit easier for people to find out what tier their Pokémon is by just scrolling down, as opposed to navigating to the list of tiers page.

Well, I dunno, it's really more arbitrary than others. For example, I consider Gorebyss to be pretty good, but I've never used Skarmory. And let's not forget that the list of tiers is in need of cleanup; it seems pretty damn opinionated (and that's not because it says that Typhlosion is "not recommended for use outside of its tier"). After all, any Pokémon can be good if you can figure out how to make it that way. Heck, it's my opinion that the list of tiers is the same sort of "we'll tell you how to play Pokémon and not let you have fun" thing as that recommended movesets thing that was here a while back. Also, don't forget to sign comments with ~~~~. T T Echidna 02:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Whoops, sorry about that. Fair point I guess, but it might be handy for competitive players in particular kinds of battle, Never-Used for example. Blink 15:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

True, but eh. We have many of their level-up movesets, and most of their learnable TMs and HMs listed, as well as their base stats. Itdoes take a bit of investigating, still, to see whether the move in question on their list is Physical or Special, though, but as for how to change this? Beats me...

I do think, however, that that would be a better thing to do. Let people make up their own strategies, we'd possibly get more variety in teams. After all, I know that I figured out that Typhlosion wasn't as good with variety on my own, since it can barely learn any Special moves that aren't Fire, but it took me a bit of searching. I'm gonna do some experimenting in my sandbox about how to indicate the Physical/Special/Status moves in my sandbox. T T Echidna 01:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Are tiers just a fandom thing, or was there ever an official list published, even for RSE/FRLG etc?Blink 14:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

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Far as I know they're just a fandom thing. I've never seen an official Nintendo list that says, outright "CATERPIE SUCKS NEVER EVER EVER USE IT." even if everyone knows this to be true. T T Echidna 19:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

So any pokemon can be useful eh? Weedle vs. T-Tar lol.

Nintendo hasn't said not, therefore, yes, Weedle vs Tyranitar is fine. Frickin' go for it. TTEchidna^G_SDS! 03:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

First off I want to say that not only does the Tier List need to be made more easily accessible, but a list of Items banned from competitive play would be nice too. I know Quick Claw and Focus Band is out of the question, but Im sure there are more that I don't know about. Now onto the business at hand.Nintendo actually has hinted at the fact that their are "tiers" in the game. If we look at the Battle Tower in D/P (for example) most of the ubers aren't allowed. The reason Wobbuffett was put on the list was because if two Wobbuffett started off against each other in metagame, you'd have a 65 - 70 turn snoozefest on your hands. The reason Latios and Latias aren't on the in-game uber list, is because not everybody has Soul Dew. The game was designed with balance in mind. Pokemon like Weedle and Caterpie do have a tier called NFE (Not Fully Evolved) now granted some Pokemon are good if NFE (i.e. Trapinch and Pikachu) some Pokemon were designed to not compete with others. Sure you can fight Weedle versus Tyranitar, and sure no one is going to tell you "no you can't do that", but there will be people telling you that Weedle vs. Tyranitar is not too hot of an idea. Flareon is a perfect example of Nintendo designing a Pokemon to not compete with others, you don't think Nintendo didn't realize "we gave a very physical attack oriented Pokemon very few choices when it came to physical attacks" do you? Regigigas is another example, they made sure it didn't get Protect or Rest. And no, Nintendo will never release a list saying "these Pokemon are good, these Pokemon are ok, these Pokemon suck" no company would ever do that cause it would completely take away from the game; Blizzard for instance will never say "rogues are the best kekekek" because then everyone would be rolling rogue. Just like Nintendo will never say "teams without Garchomp in it are destined to fail"; and we must remember that the Tiers Lists are for competitive play, it is indeed very possible to defeat the Elite Four and the Champion using UU and NU Pokemon, but in WiFi games, no a Lopunny will not be able to legitimately beat a Physical Dragonite 1v1. Imagine how annoying it would be to fight an Elite Four member with all OU Pokemon using Hax Items that didn't follow standard battle rules. First battle Bug, Choice Scarf Parasect to Spore EVERYONE of your Pokemon, Choice Band Heracross rocking people who can't counter it, Agility sweeping Life Orb Scizor bending over everything that wasn't resistant to Steel Bug and Fighting, Shuckle, sitting there with its 614 max defenses with only 3 weaknesses, 2 not being too common, Yanmega scouting us for attacks and passing on its speed to someone really slow, and then Pinsir with a bone to pick with whatever was left. Then we'd have Pokemon like a max Cursed out Snorlax getting Quick Claw procs, or Garchomps with Bright Powder milking the fruits of Tyranitar's labor. That's all I'll say for now, and props to whoever is able to read all this. Broloth 06:33, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Learnsets

Okay, I know we'll all agree that other sites that indicate the type and category of a move on the Pokémon's page are helpful for quick lookers. Sure, we shouldn't add power, accuracy, PP, and all that, but at the very least the type and category of the move.

So this is what I've come up with for Bulbasaur. It still indicates STAB, if a person's too lazy to scroll up to see what types the Pokémon is, and for Gen IV, it indicates Physical/Special in addition to type so that a person can pick out moves depending on the stats of the Pokémon as well as its types.

Thoughts? I certainly think that this could make the Pokémon pages much better than they are. T T Echidna 09:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I think you could be on to something here. It even looks a bit better, aesthetically speaking, than the current table. Blink 19:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Looks very nice. I feel sorry for you though, having to do that 492 more times. Zurqoxn 06:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... unless I get some help... T T Echidna 06:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

That's very good. I like the layout better than the current one, since it seems easier to read and clearly shows whether a move is physical, special or status. -DarkMazer 03:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Now the best question. Wanna help me add them to all the rest?

Also: I have a new, possibly more improved proposal. Check it out. This way, when we get Gen V, VI, VII, and so on... we won't have to move stuff around besides the current moveset. T T Echidna 10:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I like your design. *nod* I would say leave it as separate tables on the same pages for Gen V but when we get to Gen VI change it to separate pages altogether. Though that would be a lot of work of converting all the pages. Perhaps we should start changing the pages once we hear Gen VI will be released? (If it does :P)dra2k4 19:58, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't really be much work, per se, if we already have all of the movesets organized into those tables-within-tables like Bulbasaur and some others have. T T Echidna 09:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

So when can we get started on changing them? - - - dra2k4 10:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Body shape

In GenIV, rather than by colour, Pokémon are able to be searched by a general body shape... Unfortunately, these categories are all symbols rather than names. This would make it hard to be included here, but I thought I'd put forth the idea anyway: Sort Pokémon by body shape, like we do with colour. The first thing, though, is that we'd have to come up with an agreeable standard on what each category should be named (since it doesn't do that for us). Just putting forth the idea for discussion, and whether or not the community thinks it would be useful. --DarkfireTaimatsu 04:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

We definately want to have some coverage on it but, as you say, it's going to be diffcult to implement. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 23:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

So, anyone got any ideas for this? TTE chidna 02:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

How about we get the sprites from the game for it? As for the category.. um.. "Body Shape 1 Pokémon", etc? That's a suggestion I have.

Tina^☆♥♫ 03:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

But who'll say which is which? TTE chidna 05:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Alternate Coloration

I've been having plans for starting a subsection to the biology section that describes a Pokémon's alternate coloring. But the thing is, TinatheKirlia told me that such a subsection would be unnecessary because the sprite templates on each article. But I (was with TTEchidna, apparently) believe that describing what a Pokémon's shiny version looks like would be better.--Pokencyclopedia 20:10, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

It seems no more redundant than describing the normal form in the first place... --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 22:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Eh, I really think that there are more important things than telling what color a Pokémon is when shiny, but most especially since the sprites do so, and easily demonstrate the differences among the generations (Bulbasaur itself is tan in Gen II, but green with a dark green bulb in III and IV). TTE chidna 23:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Sometimes the shiny colors (I think this is why) in GenII is because of the limitations of the GBC. Some simple colors, such as Red Gyarados, stay but others such as Bulbasaur and Charizard get a little discolored, because of the limitations.

I dunno, but that's my guess. Tina The Kirlia ♥ File:281MS.gif 23:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that misunderstanding, TTE. I thought you were agreeing with me.--Pokencyclopedia 23:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

pronunciation

Just relizing that I had "THE OFFICIAL Pokémon Handbook" infront of me. I always hated not knowing how to say the names correctly and in this book it says how is it possible to add a section for the first genneration Pokémon. (That's the only handbook I currently have from my school library).--File:Ani052MS.gif File:Ani300MS.gif File:Ani431MS.gif kittenchild and her discovery File:Ani264MS.gifA.K.A. ねこさん 01:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I have all of the series of those offical handbooks.................(but what does that have to do with Project Pokédex?????) --File:Spr 3e 059.gif File:Spr 3e 132.gifTheryguy 5 1 2 File:Trozeiani025.gif 01:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

well they have the pronunciation on every Pokémon shouldn't we put how to say the name of the Pokémon on their page?--File:Ani052MS.gif File:Ani300MS.gif File:Ani431MS.gif kittenchild and her discovery File:Ani264MS.gifA.K.A. ねこさん 01:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Most people know how to say it......but it's an idea........--File:Spr 3e 059.gif File:Spr 3e 132.gifTheryguy 5 1 2 File:Trozeiani025.gif 02:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I say this because I'm always fighting with my bro (who is 24) about how to say kyogre He says it as if it was katakana and I disagree.--File:Ani052MS.gif File:Ani300MS.gif File:Ani431MS.gif kittenchild and her discovery File:Ani264MS.gifA.K.A. ねこさん 02:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

It would be a useful addition to the infoboxes. The main question is if there is an official source for beyond the first generation. (Since some people insist that the dub pronounces things wrong for some reason.) I know we got Bonsly confirmed from PUSA but not of any source for the rest. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 23:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

well I have the handbooks of the second generation, and the third generation as well. --File:Spr 3e 059.gif File:Spr 3e 132.gifTheryguy 5 1 2 File:Trozeiani025.gif 00:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I usually pronounce Kyogre as Kai-oh-great (minus the t at the end). But the anime is Kai-oh-ge... Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 13:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I usually pronounce it Kai-oh-ger. How do i participate in Project Pokédex. Where exactly is the evolution box on the page.

Woot Glih-score Gly-score debates =D and i don't trust the anime 100% of the time, i still think it's swee - kune, not soo-wee-soon let's not for get that english dubs aren't always right (i.e. Krillin vs. Kuririn, or Tien vs. Tenshinhan.)

R/S sprites

I know you guys aren't done uploading them, but are we gonna do the R/S sprites? Even though we have the Emerald ones... the R/S ones are half distracting. I dunno, just wondering.. Tina^δ♫ 19:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

All sprites means all of 'em. The only problem I see us running into is the shiny Emerald sprites. TTEchidna^G_SDS! 19:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Shadow

So um... where should we put info on the Shadow Pokémon? Probably under Game info, or Game locations.. Tina^δ♫ 21:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

That'd be a good idea, as a subsection of that. Like...

Probaly under Game Info..... File:Ani234MS.gif MERRY File:Ani385MS.gif CHRISTMAS File:Ani225MS.gif 23:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Shadow (name)

In (Colo/XD) a Shadow (name) can be found in (location), trained by (trainer). Its moves are (moves) and, when purified, it learns (moves).

TTEchidna^G_SDS! 22:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

We already have this information. The location table notes which Pokémon are shadow and the moves are noted under the moveset heading. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 23:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Size and Weight

Hello, I'd like to discuss about the weight and size of Pokémon we display in the pokédex pages, I think they should be there, but they are not. (if they are and I don't see it, please notice me :-]) what do you think? MewUser 11:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

That information is in the infobox of every article... --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 12:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Joining

I, Darth Cookie Monster, is humbly asking to join this projectUser:Darth Cookie Monster 18:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

You don't have to ask. Just add your name to the list of participants. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 20:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Held items

The items Pokémon sometimes hold in the wild. I'm not sure how to implement the information yet but we are currently missing it. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 14:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking about this - maybe add a section in the usebox with Held Item, and a percentage. Don 17:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

This is a good idea, but nobody is willing to do this or couldn't find this part... ^ht 14 21:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind doing this. If someone else would be able to help me, I could try it. Baynium 03:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Number redirecting

should the national dex numbers redirect to the pokemon's data page? I can do that if needed. 折り紙ガイ - 離す貢献 15:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Help!

How do I join Project Pokédex?Medicham225 18:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)medicham225

Simply add your name to the list of participants. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 19:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you.Medicham225 23:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)Medicham225

Generation 4 Smogon links

The links for generation 4 'mon are still not working correctly. Zhen Lin implied that it would be possible to make the link as a function of the name of the article. [1] --Raijinili 05:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

About the sprites and trivia

Can we, you know, STOP FREAKING MENTIONING THEM THERE? They're all charted up, GO FIND THEM AND UPLOAD THEM instead of putting it in the trivia.

Also, next time anyone mentions something as obvious as "the Gen II backsprites and Gen III backsprites for Gen I and II Pokémon are similar" is going to be yelled at. You know why? BECAUSE THEY ALL ARE, just COLORIZED. Game Freak was lazy. Heck, they would've reused the Gen I ones if they weren't total crap. TTEchidna 05:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Why (Pokémon) rather than (species)?

I mean, Ash's Butterfree is also a Pokémon. --Raijinili 04:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Your point? --Force Fire 07:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Obviously that it's not correct and should be changed. --Raijinili 03:36, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Species is something very different. --Martonimos_{((Argh|Blargh))} 03:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Pokémon is the creature, Species is the Pokémon's Classification. Bulbasaur is a Pokémon and "Seed Pokémon" uis a type of species. --Force Fire 05:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Forgot about this.

Bulbasaur (species) is unambiguous in meaning even to those who aren't used to Bulbapedia. Bulbasaur (species) can only logically refer to one thing, while the Pokémon Bulbasaur can refer to either a particular Pokémon character or the Pokémon species Bulbasaur. --Raijinili 08:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Admission

Am I allowed to join? Mr.Lucario 11:13, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Everyone is. MathijsP 15:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Legendary Pokemon

I, BlazeFireKitty, spend a lot of time researching legendary Pokemon, and I'll add every single thing that I can get about them to their pages. The pages should really become very informative soon. I've noticed that a few are missing info under behavior and such, because the page is so focused on their game stats.

Sprites

I have been uploading sprites to bulbagarden archives (normal and shiny sprites of first 110 pokemon from crystal), but I hardly seem to be making a dent. is there a list of missing sprites?--Cadellin 18:21, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Not really, you just have to look at the seperate species pages. ^Moldy _Orange 18:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

As someone who has also been uploading a lot of sprites, here is the current situation as I have seen it:

All the Gen I sprites are uploaded.
All the GS front sprites are uploaded.
We are missing a lot of Crystal sprites, though you seem to be handling that one.
Generation III has the most gaps. We are missing most of the front sprites for RS and FRLG.
We do have all the normal Emerald front sprites but not the shiny sprites.
We have back sprites for Generation II and III but not shiny back sprites.
As of last week, we have a complete collection of front and back DP sprites.
We obviously don't have Platinum sprites yet.

So the main areas to focus on are: Crystal front sprites, Gen II/III shiny back sprites and Generation III front sprites. There's still a long way to go but a lot has already been done. I'll look into getting Gen III into a better shape when I finish inserting the MD2 locations. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 19:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

We're also missing a lot of Castform and Unown sprites.--Mister E 13 18:39, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

For example, we have normal and shiny front and back A 's for Gold and Silver, normal and shiny U's for Crystal, a series of wrongly-named Gen III ones as well as a single correct Y in Ruby/Sapphire then Gen IV is all A 's. For Castform, we have all the Gen III front and back sprites except for the shiny ones. We also have the Emerald Normal form. In Gen IV, we have all the Normal/shiny ones but no alternate form ones.--Mister E 13 03:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I think TTE is still working on the sprite table for Pokémon with multiple forms and consensus before then was that we don't need 28 seperate sprite tables. All we're missing on the standard table is the Gen III sprites and, as I said above, that's a general issue. We do have more sprites on the Archives, though. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 21:02, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I made some templates for Castform and TTE already implemented them. I also made some for Unown that he protected. So we're just waiting for more sprites (and for him to be a little less lazy) to implement them. We discussed it on his last Archive. Also, you said above that we had all the Gen II front sprites but we don't (Unown) that's the main concern here.--Mister E 13 02:38, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

By the way, the template I made for Unown was like Arceus's and therefore didn't show them all at once. Also, we'd need the side games ones. After reading the article, I know that they all look different in Trozei but I don't know if the little Mystery Dungeon 2 pictures we use look any different. Also, did Sugimori do any ar for the other forms except for F? What about the side game sprites of other multi-formed Pokémon like Castform, Burmy, Wormadam, etc. By which I mean to say, are the Trozei, Pinball Ruby and Sapphire or Mystery Dungeon 2 sprites different for any of those?--Mister E 13 02:53, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I've never talked on the discussion board before, but...

I think that I can help a little bit with the movesets. I have a R/S strategy guide that has all the learnsets of the Hoenn Dex in order, and I went through the list of Gen III movesets that we've got already on here. I went through the 200 Pokémon in the guide and found the few that were missing (from the Hoenn Dex, at least.). Since I have almost zero experience doing this kind of thing, I don't want to mess anything up, so here's a short list (Again, just from the Hoenn Dex.):

Marill Azumarill Geodude Graveler Golem Zubat Golbat Crobat Tentacool Tentacruel Oddish Gloom Vileplume Bellossom Ninetales Pichu Raichu Golduck Rhyhorn Rhydon

All of these Pokémon are, as I said, missing Gen III movesets. I don't know if you've covered this or not, but there you are. Sorry if I'm wasting any time. Spatula 03:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Another sprite suggestion,

For ease of use, we have the numbered images with nothing else on them represent the current generation, which is a good idea. Therefore I suggest (and I will do all the work) that we have a 'current generation' template as we do for the others. What do you guys think? Whenever we get a new generation, we can simply use the reupload feature, and slightly edit the template and it will sweep across all the images. MK 18:32, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

A Question I feel is important about Learnsets

I see that, for whatever reason, you have omitted previous generations learnsets. Naturally, this is understandable for Gen I and II, and the most recent Gen IV is relevent to most users. However, under move tutors, you have kept the tutors for FR, LG, Emerald and XD alongside DP and Platinum.

I don't think this is wrong, as I believe this is relevent - since the moves are available in the fourth generation, the third gen stuff should stay. However, for things like level up moves, and (maybe) breeding and TM/HM perhaps the information should be included? Or perhaps only the information that has changed, after all a lot of level up information stays the same from generation to generation...

Probably something discussed in the two archives already catalogued that I haven't looked though, but just something that perhaps could be clarified before it is complete, and then everyone realises that they want it a different way. - unsigned comment from Aburnett (talk • contribs)

Um. There's links to the old generation stuff. They're on subpages. Read the learnset headings. TTEchidna 00:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Can those links be bolded? The Gen1 link is only a few pixels wide. --Raijinili 04:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Headers

Can someone please fix the headers? Like make the headers that have one equal sign at the beginning and end have two, and so on. ^Chocolate 01:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, I did it myself. ^Chocolate 21:06, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

An idea

How about, on the pages of Pokémon, instead of having "origin" and "name origin" as sub-headers of "trivia", how about we do it like this?

==Trivia==
(Insert trivia here)
==Origin==
(Insert origin here)
===Name origin===
(Insert name origin here)

Currently, we do it like this:

==Trivia==
(Insert trivia here)
===Origin===
(Insert origin here)
====Name origin====
(Insert name origin here)

I think my version is better, and here's why: The origin usually will have nothing to do with the trivia, and even if it does, the trivial part of the a Pokémon's origin can simply be put in the trivia section. Discuss. ^Chocolate 21:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

The origin is trivia. It doesn't affect gameplay. --Raijinili 09:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

How is it trivia? ^Chocolate 19:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Trivia usually means information which can be quite accurate but has few real uses and is relatively unimportant. In this case the design and name origins are just for the sake of the information itself, you probably don't need that for anything else. UltimateSephiroth ^{(user · talk · contrib)} 19:21, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

But a lot of people will want to know the origin and name origin. So they are important. ^Chocolate 19:24, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

"People would want to know" and "affects the key aspects of the medium" (anime:canon, game:gameplay) are completely different things. Besides, the first is a highly subjective criterium which is probably a good argument for inclusion on the page, while the second is a relatively solid criterium for where that info would be placed.

For example, it's interesting to know that Ghost attacks, despite the Sabrina episodes, were not supereffective against Psychics in generation 1, and a lot of people who played the games and watched the anime would be curious about whether or not the game followed the anime in that respect, but it simply doesn't matter to the main aspect of the anime, which is the plot. --Raijinili 23:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

A lot of people will want to know other various items under Trivia as well, but they don't deserve to be noted under their own high-level headings either. — Laoris _(Blah) 22:33, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

GenI/II menusprites

If I remember correctly, the menusprites in the first and second generations sort of divided all the Pokémon into categories kind of like the way the "Body Shape" thing works in the fourth generation Pokédex. Since you guys have already sorted them that way, maybe (if any of you guys ever have spare time and are bored or whatever) you guys could maybe classify the GenI andII Pokémon that way.--MisterE13 03:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

If you can do it accurately, then collect the information. --Raijinili 23:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I could try to get them for the ones I caught in Red/Blue but I can't get the sprites. How would we classify them anyways? They're like body styles but for older generations.--MisterE13 15:58, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

"In the TCG" and "TCG-only moves"

I have an idea. "TCG-only moves" is currently a sub-section of "Learnset", which is a sub-section of "Game data". However, the TCG isn't one of the technology-based games. Based on that, I think the section "TCG-only moves" should instead be a sub-section of the section "In the TCG". Who agrees with me? Chocolate_{((Talk to Me|Look at My Contributions))} 00:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Bump. ♥Chocolate (Merry Christmas!) 01:14 12/11/2008

Well, since we have said to wait on the list of TCG moves, this shouldn't be an issue, because no page should currently have them yet. But, there is this thing called the Pokémon Trading card game that these moves appear in. They should go with the other lists of moves because it fits better with that info. HOWEVER, no one should be doing anything with this mini-project until the jname mini-project is done, so this doesn't matter yet. ^Maverick _Nate 01:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

The pages have had TCG-only moves for ages. You can't retroactively decide an article can't have valid content until you're ready with an unrelated page.

And no, TCG and the video games are different things under the usual definition. Movesets should stay together, though, so both this and the anime-only moves should stay where they are. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 20:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Anime Pokédex Entries

Would anyone here object if I placed Pokédex entries from the anime onto the Pokémon pages themselves. Someone claimed there was already a page for that but I am unable to find it. Therefore, would it be ok for me to do the entries? WatcherMark

We already have a page of them, but it is incomplete. We are waiting for when we get all the entries in order to put them on the pages. ^Maverick _Nate 19:57, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Can someone please send me the link for this page. I would like to contribute to it where I can. Thanks Watchermark 10:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I am getting tired of people removing those entries. They benefit the article so leave them alone. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 17:54, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Here ^Maverick _Nate 18:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Uploading Sprites

I've begun uploading some of the missing sprites (kecleon shiny gen. III front & back, eevee gen. III shiny back, so far), and I've put in the filenames listed on the pages, but they don't actually appear on the pages. If you click the link it goes to the picture.. Could someone help me out with this? --Snowrunt

It's just the server being slow. All you can do is wait and the page will update by itself. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 20:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, that's it. I'm sorry about that! Thanks. ^^ --Snowrunt

Battle Frontier Movesets

Don't know if this is the right place to bring this up, but I couldn't think of a better place. Basically, I've noticed that in the Battle Frontier each Pokemon species (other than wilds and those owned by Brains) seems to have a specific moveset. For example, every Clamperl has Toxic, Dive, Iron Defense and Double Team. I was just wondering if it'd be worth attempting to note down each Pokemon's Battle Frontier movesets on their individual pages, it might be a useful piece of information. Gastlys mama 12:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

They are the only moves that Clamperl can learn from leveling up and even then, they start with those particular moves. Also that is something that would be added to the battle frontier pages if it were the case that it was specific to the battle frontier, which it is not. —Mada-sama (Talk to me!)— 00:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Clamperl cannot learn Toxic, Dive or Double Team by levelling up. Every trained Pokemon of any given species other than those of Brains definitely has the same moves always, I'm playing through the Battle Frontier at the moment, so with time I could give more examples. I just thought it might be better suited on each Pokemon's page as a list of over 400 Pokemon and their movesets on the Battle Frontier page (as it just has one page) might be a bit excessive. Gastlys mama 18:53, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't read thought you post clearly. Also, which battle frontier are you talking about? —Mada-sama (Talk to me!)— 19:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Hoenn one, I don't know anything about the Sinnoh one. Gastlys mama 19:31, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

You might be on to something but it seems like a waste of time to me. —Mada-sama (Talk to me!)— 19:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

So does that mean I should start on this or do I need permission from some kind of admin? Gastlys mama 20:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Here's my rule off thumb. Do it, if an admin undoes it don't do it again —Mada-sama (Talk to me!)— 01:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

The problem is, this is something I have noticed personally and it's kind of a big change to do this to every page, so I'd like the action to be confirmed by an admin BEFORE I go crazy editing 350 (or so) pages =P Gastlys mama 18:41, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Can I join?

Hey, can I join the project? I figure that I edit quite a few Pokémon pages... and It would be better If I'd join. The page says to ask (or something like that) on the talk page... so here... Can I join?--^{THE "X" MEANS "PEACE" TO}THE DRAGONS AND THE BEASTS... 19:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Does this "silence" mean I can join?--^{X, PEACE TO}THE DRAGONS AND THE BEASTS 04:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

We should change that. Anyone is allowed to join, as long as you follow the requirements set by the Project Leader (if any are on the page) and sign your name on the list. ^Maverick _Nate 04:45, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Ehh, it says "To join the project, simply add your name to the bottom of this list", so that means you're free to join, you don't need permission anymore. Maybe you read "If you would like to help, please inquire on the talk page or the Bulbapedia forum and see the Bulbapedia:Project Pokédex/To-do list." lol. ►Ҝə υz ø8 04:46, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

With that out of the way, hello, new project!--^{X, PEACE TO}THE DRAGONS AND THE BEASTS 20:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Background...

Is it ok if all the Pokémon pages have backgrounds? For instance, for Chinchou, we can use this: {| width="100%" style="background: #{{electric color}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{electric color}}; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 1em;" |- | text align="left" style="background: #{{water color light}};" | __NOTOC__
Credit goes to MAGNEDETH. ^ht 14 22:38, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Can i join?

Can i join the Project Pokédex?Gio12 01:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

You don't have to ask. Just add your name to the list. — THE TROM — 01:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I know...I just follow the instructionsGio12 05:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I added my name to the list, but I had a problem. I can't edit the pages! How does that happen? I have just joined, but I've confirmed my email... what else do I have to do? JetanHertz13 00:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

All Pokemon pages are currently on lockdown. 梅子 ^❀_✿ 00:24, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Formes

Over the past while, I've been doing quite a bit of work about Pokémon's different Formes/forms. I was wondering if this project would like me to coordinate part of project Pokédex to organize the inclusion of alternate forms on the wiki? Or would it be better that I make a subproject (as in Project FormeDex)? Or, perhaps, I should just keep control of it on my own?--Mister E 13 00:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not really sure how much organization it needs... A separate project or subproject, in my view at least, isn't required. A section of this Project may be justified. How much more work needs to be done regarding alternate formes? Can you list your ideas here and we'll run through them. — THE TROM — 02:31, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Currently, I've somewhat made sure that all the work has been done. However, I was proposing this in order to organize policies for future forms. I could hammer out said policies somewhere and, like you said, include it in a section here.--Mister E 13 21:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, and you've done a good job so far. I don't think much more needs to be done, other than making sure that Castform is sorted out. In the event that HGSS introduces new forms (which it better not, other than Shellos/Gastrodon if they can be caught there), we can deal with that when it comes. I think this issue is best dealt with informally. Without wanting to sound elitist, we don't need every new user trying to help out with this because a decent amount of coding knowledge is required. If you really want to write it down, put it in a sub. "User:MisterE13/Guidelines for alternate formes" or something like that. — THE TROM — 05:25, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

HI!

Hi, can I join this project? I though it would be a bit inpolite just to add my name to the article and put the Project Pokédex tag on my user page without asking first. I know lots about the different Pokémon species and could help to improve the articles a lot. So, what do you think? Taromon777 12:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Anyone can join the project. It's not impolite, it's greatly appreciated when one insert their name, specially when they do well. Kev zo8 12:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, all right then. Thanks! Taromon777 21:39, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

No one has to ask to join this project, or any project. Just sign up! — THE TROM — 01:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Global PokedeX Plus

I think we should have a section in the articles about Global PokedeX Plus (gpxplus.net) that tell like, what their eggs look like, how much interactions they need to hatch/level up...stuff like that. Puppo530 01:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

It appears to be a fansite.... From your description (different eggs) it seems to be fanon, but it won't let me register so I can't verify this. — THE TROM — 01:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

it is indeed fanon, they do even include "fakemon" and recolours (Easter Buneary)

while they frown upon "eggdexii" I would not be adverse to help acquire egg images, egg descriptions, and interaction/level up stats.

Interestingly, their game mechanics allow for male species+female species breeding = male species/female species egg as well as female/male+ungendered=egg of either, so you can breed a Castform of either gender with Rotom and get both Castform and Rotom eggs. ~ZaphodBeeblebrox 15:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Trainer pokémon

Shouldn't there be a section that says if any trainers own the pokémon, and if so, who and where they are? It would make filling the Sinnoh 'dex much easier. --Thermorules123 10:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

There's a table some trainer classes, look there.--F orce F ire 10:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but I think a list of trainers should be on the Pokémon's page --Thermorules123 14:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

That'd get a bit ridiculous...for instance, look at Mew's page. Big page, and though there are no trainers that have Mew in their party, Pikachu is another primary example. Look at that page. Adding more would make life more or less the same, if not more confusing... ^ht 14 02:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon Channel +

On the Eggzmination channel in Pokémon Channel, there are facts that go across the top of the screen. There are facts about *presumably* every Pokémon. This would take a while to chronicle, but what if we could put those facts into the side-game data table under Pokémon Channel? If not, I suppose it would work just put them under a respective category.. But I think it would be good to add a Pokémon Channel section to the side game data. In case you haven't played, there are Pokémon wandering about, and you can get trading cards from them, but only if you answer a trivia fact about the Pokémon being questioned. We could put the question and answer in the side game data, as well as the Pokémon description on the trading card (I can't exactly recall if there is one though)? Just wanted to mention this.

Also, I checked out the structure for this project. For the "In the manga" section, the structure says to put Pokémon Special first, then Electric Tale of Pikachu, them Pipipi and Chamo Pretty then others, but very few articles are actually organized like this, including the model articles. Should they be changed to go in that order? And should each manga get it's own subtitle, like Pokémon Special does?

Last thing I promise! In the "In the anime" section for some articles, the subtitles are Major appearances and Minor appearances. Are they all going to be put in this format eventually? Sorry for writing so much.. I'm full of questions. --ℓaℓa ℓe snoωrunt 00:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

It's been a while, so I'm gonna bump this.. --ℓaℓa ℓe snoωrunt 17:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon pictures

This is just a suggestion... do you think it would be better not to use the Emerald and Platinum artwork on the Hoenn and Sinnoh starters' pages? I've noticed that on the official online Pokédexes, as well as recent official books, their RS and DP artwork is still used, and appears to be their "standard" artwork. I know they are the more recent, but Ken Sugimori's Emerald and Platinum illustrations are simply promotional art for those games, and are not considered "standard" by Nintendo. What I'm trying to say is, if Bulbapedia were an official Pokémon site overseen by Nintendo, the Emerald and Platinum artwork wouldn't be used in the main articles, they would use the RS and DP art instead. Does anyone agree with me? Sorry if I made this sound confusing, I didn't really know how else to put it! Taromon777 15:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Am I the only one to notice this?

In Platinum, MANY Pokemon received new backsprites. How come they haven't been added yet? Examples are Gengar, Gligar, Suicune, Entei, Raikou, Mantyke, Porygon2, the list goes on... --Chaos Rush 00:41:30 (UTC)

Most of the new backsprites have been uploaded to the archives, but the sprite table doesn't currently support multiple backsprites. I can't find it just at the moment, but I remember seeing this discussed somewhere recently. I believe that conversation concluded that a new sprite template should be developed, but it isn't the kind of thing that will happen overnight. There are other templates which need updating as well. There is also a similar problem with the R/S/E and FR/LG sprites. Any Pokémon which have received an updated front sprite between games of the same generation will probably have a new back sprite as well. Just look for them on the archives for the moment. Werdnae (talk) 01:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

We could potentially use a system such as the one I implemented here (with backsprites underneath). If we do decide to do it, putting them into the template shouldn't be too hard (though changing all the names could be).--Mister E 13 02:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, IMO, you guys should do whatever works out best, as long as it shows all the sprites. If I recall correctly, some Pokemon in even Crystal version got new backsprites as well. Also I'd like to mention that the front sprites on the Natu, Xatu, and Mareep pages for Platinum are incorrect. Again, nobody seems to have noticed this, but Natu, Xatu, and Mareep had a different color palette in Platinum, but their pages simply show their D/P colors, which are false. --Chaos Rush 04:30:02 (UTC)

While I can't comment about Crystal, the reason the DP sprites are shown is because of the automated table setup. If the Pt sprite has not been uploaded, the DP sprite will show. If we haven't got it, of course we can't show it. —darklordtrom 05:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Hope this is okay...?

Uh, hi! I'm new and I just went ahead and added myself to the project, I'm assuming that's all right.

So I'm going through and putting English translations of the HGSS Pokedex entries, for the Pokemon that I either have in the dex on my own HG game, or the Pokemon that have Japanese entries on their pages. I hope that's okay. It seems that the gen1 Pokemon have the same entries as in Gold (for HG) and the gen2 Pokemon have the entries from LG in HG, and FR in SS. I'm only putting the ones that I've actually seen the Japanese entries for though, because I can't be 100% sure about the others.

If that's totally not okay, feel free to just go ahead and revert my edits. :) --19:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)Umeko

Thank you. We did this for Platinum, so I see no problem with it. —darklordtrom 20:46, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

So for the past few weeks I've just been submitting the HeartGold dex entries as I obtained them on my own HG game (and was thus able to 100% confirm that they were the same as the Gold entries). A Japanese friend playing SoulSilver just tweeted that the SS entries are are all the same as Silver... Should we go through and add those too? 梅子 ^❀_✿ 15:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Aaaaaand according to this friend, the HGSS dex entries for the third and fourth gen Pokemon are new... once I get those entries, would you like me to translate them (temporary, until the NA version is released)? I'd totally be willing to. I won't if that's against policy though. :P 梅子 ^❀_✿ 15:57, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

As long as they are replaced when the game is released in English-speaking territories, having translations of the Japanese entries is very helpful. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 20:10, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Awesome, that'll be fun! I'll start on that with the few HGSS entries from the Japanese wiki... But is there some sort of template I should use to distinguish the entries as unofficially-translated and slated to be replaced next spring? I'm still getting used to wiki, so... 梅子 ^❀_✿ 23:19, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I went through the Japanese wiki and have translated the HGSS entries that were available for the 3rd and 4th-gen Pokemon - Seedot, Shroomish, Latios, Turtwig, Chimchar, Piplup, Starly, Staravia, Staraptor, Giratina, and Arceus. I'll work on editing them into the appropriate pages now, using the {{tt}} template because I'm... not sure how they should be put in there. This seemed like the best option to me, but if something else is preferred, feel free to change them (there aren't that many yet, after all, only like ten).

Also the Japanese wiki had on some of the pages that the given entry was only for one version of the games, and on some of the pages that the entry was for both HG and SS. This will be reflected in the edits I make, because I have no idea and have to just take the Japanese wiki's word for it. ¯\(º_o)/¯

So... yes. Tell me what you think/if I've screwed up majorly and fail at life! 梅子 ^❀_✿ 01:14, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I guess I'll help out on this front as well. I have SoulSilver so I can fill in with the Japanese. My translation skills are near non-existent (It's getting better. ._<;), so I can just provide the raw Japanese. I can try my best to translate, but I'll only do it for those that I'm completely sure on. So yeah, if you don't mind translating them, I can put in any of the the raw Japanese pokedex entries I have for SoulSilver. :3 --NyaChan 01:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the HGSS gen3/4 Entries

Figured I'd toss the raw Japanese in for the pokemon I have (anyone who can translate, go ahead), and spotted a few Gen3 Pokémon have the same dex entry for HG and SS. Dunno if that's the case for them all, but it's looking to be true. Can't prove all of them just yet, but I'd be willing to bet they're all identical between versions. So yeah, if there's a dex entry for one, it's likely it's the same for the other version too. Just thought I'd point it out. Also, if anyone can translate the dex entries, please do, my Japanese isn't really good enough to figure it all out yet. ^^;;> --NyaChan 04:16, 15 November 2009 (UTC)