Talk:Generation V

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Any References?

With the impending release of Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver in America, can someone keep an eye out for any in-game references to Gen. V? Much appreciated. The Jigglypuff Ninja 01:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I doubt there are any references to Gen V in HGSS. -Sketch 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

And I highly doubt that NoA would change the script to add such references in. 梅子^❄_❅ 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Any references will probably be in the new Ranger game. Although the Lock Capsule is probably related to something in Generation V.--Purimpopoie 01:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

It's a Gen IV event item. Likely gonna be for a Gen IV event. Think: what hasn't been released yet? Could be Celebi... TTEchidna 03:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

At the risk of dragging this out too far (this is quickly becoming something that'd fit on the forums), hackers would have found a Celebi Event in the coding, but no one has. Add in that PokeBeach reports that it seems to have similar transfer data as the Manaphy Egg, and it seems like it's supposed to be transferred out of HGSS into a new game... but I digress. We have no proof either way.--Purimpopoie 05:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

The question is... how would it be obtained in the first place? TTEchidna 07:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Jumping the Gun a bit?

Are you guys sure we aren't looking into this a bit too far? All we have for clues are that they announced a new game and a new *something*. Not to mention it says it's gonna be new on the DS. What's to be sure of all of that? For all we know, the new game could be MindCrystal, the silhouette could be a new Forme like the last 5 that were announced. The new game could be a wii sequel to Pokemon XD:Gale of Darkness. If we can't even have Pokemon evolved editing pages when they're in the titles of episodes, why can we just up and announce a new generation? I mean, Pokebeach even said the silhouette isn't Z, what makes anyone certain it's Generation V?SLE_aman 11:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

What does Pokebeach have to do with anything? We know this is Gen V because Masuda SAID it is a new Pokémon. Nothing in this article says that this Pokémon is Z. Because we don't know that. All we know is that it is a new Pokémon. To think otherwise... well, you're in denial big time. -Sketch 12:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

The original announcement talked about the popularity of Diamond and Pearl before saying this game will be set in a new region with new Pokémon. What more evidence do you need? --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 12:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, technically, the RPG announcement never explicitly said it would be main series. Even though Generation V Pokémon were hinted, it was never explicitly said that it was the full-fledged generation. It also never explicitly said it would be a pair, either. There are RPGs other than the main series, and they could use a side-series RPG to give Generation V-based cameos to increase anticipation for the full-fledged generation to come at a later date (much like Mystery Dungeon 1 did). Recent announcements pretty much excludes the possibility of it being a Ranger 4, but it's still possible that it could be a Mystery Dungeon 5 or something completely different than anything we've seen before. My 2¢: Odds are the TBA 2010 thing is not for the full-fledged Generation V. Especially if the RPG announcement turns out to be for a single. They've faked us out before, and even if the silhouette does turn out legitimate, it's probably still too early to be thinking full-fledged Generation V. --Shiningpikablu252 18:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I've seen a subb'ed version. Masuda specifically said "We're working on a new generation of pokémon" --User:Camzoman

Yeah. And nowhere in that did it explicitly say that was the TBA 2010 project. They can be working on a new generation of Pokémon, yet still announce and release side games relating mainly to the previous generation. --Shiningpikablu252 19:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Camzoman, where exactly did you see this subbed version? I did not hear Masuda mention a "new generation" anywhere in the video - what he said was "we're developing a brand-new work for Pokemon." However, I don't think there's any denying at this point that it is indeed the new generation. The Corocoro site doesn't seem to be implying that this is a side game (not that Game Freak makes side games to begin with). It's a new version(s), with a new setting, new Pokemon, new features... sounds like a new generation to me. :/ 梅子^❄_❅ 19:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Japanese doesn't have a plural so the "he only said one" argument doesn't hold. Just look at the information we have. It's obviously Generation V. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 12:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Anyway, the CoroCoro scans for Zoroark fit the silhouette from Pokémon Sunday.--User:Crazylegs24

Why is this page protected?

Why is this page protected? --Any Questions????? 18:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Think about it.--Midnight Blue 18:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

*cough*Speculation*cough* CuboneKing 18:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Because someone is 100% likely going to put what they think the new Pokémon is, probably saying it's Mightyena's evolution or something, if it isn't protected. That is speculation, something that isn't allowed here in the mainspace. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 22:21, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

It is not a good sign when a question like this needs to be asked.--Mtn otter We are the Void 22:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

That against us or against the users who'd make crappy speculative edits? TTEchidna 03:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

It's against users who don't realise why it should be protected...--Mtn otter We lie in wait...... 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

...same thing? TTEchidna 04:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Arguable.--Mtn otter We lie in wait...... 13:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Would it not be better to make this page "semi-protected" so that only established users can edit? There are plenty of established users who are not administrators, whom I'm sure would want to contribute to such a monumental article. Kidburla 09:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

That wouldn't stop speculation from incurring. If you have any confirmed evidence, ask for it here.--Clarky13 10:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Generation V Pokémon Infobox, anyone?

I know you'll probably all find this pointless, but I decided to throw together a temporary infobox to use for the Generation V Pokémon articles. It's basically a stripped-down version of the regular infobox that leaves out all the fields for any technical stuff (Egg groups, EXP yield, Gender ratios, etc.) that's unlikely to be revealed until Pokémon V comes out later this year. I also created a user-subpage for the silhouetted mystery Pokémon that uses a non-categorizing version of this template.

Thanks to PsychicRider for making me aware of the original non-categorizing Pokémon infobox. Quagbert 00:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Masamitsu Hidaka

Should Masamitsu Hidaka be mentioned since that interview kind of confirmed Generation V? --HoennMaster 05:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Unlink

Can somebody please unlink "Generation V Pokémon"? It's a redlink right now. R.A. Hunter Blade 13:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

This just in!

Serebii.net just confirmed the first two Fifth Generation Pokémon! Go check it out! :) --Dialgafan1 14:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Serebii.net didn't. Leaked scans did. Also, the first one was already revealed. The second one was revealed to be before it in their evolutionary line. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 14:22, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I think yu're probably going to need to find this information from another source. It seems like the users here have some sort of vendetta against Serebii.--Skaisdead 14:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

It is officially confirmed. It was from a different source. It was from scans. You can see bulbanews's draft. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

We don't have any vendetta against Serebii. He just isn't the source in this case - CoroCoro is. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 15:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Either way, it's confirmed right? I'd love to update the page, but it's locked. *ahem* Chosen of Mana - 15:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Here's the picture! --Dialgafan1 15:19, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Alright, these two Pokémon have been offically confirmed by the leaked CoroCoro scans, but apparently it's still considered too early to put up the Bulbapedia articles for them. Is there some additional form of conformation that we're waiting for?

Anyway, I already have Zorua and Zoroark in my userspace ready to be moved to the main space when we're finally allowed to do so. Quagbert 17:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

It's probably due to lack of information. I assume that when its ability/abilities and/or base stats are revealed it will be moved. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 17:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

IIRC, none of that sort of information (especially base stats) was revealed for the Generation IV Pokémon until the actual release of Diamond/Pearl, or shortly before, though we still had mainspace articles for them anyway. This means it'd be months before we move Zorua/Zoroark into the mainspace. Quagbert 17:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Actually, according to serebii, they're supposed to be revealed next month. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 18:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Related Pokémon

On the page, it says that it has noteable links with the Riolu and Poochyena families. If it's definitely pure dark type then just ignore this, but couldn't it be an alternative to the Vulpix family? --Herachu 22:07, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree. --i herd u liek Treakos? 00:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC) Kimori-Hinoarashi

New Pokémon template

Based partly on the {{DP episode}} template, I've decided to make a new Pokémon template to use the next time a new Pokémon is revealed. The code would go like this:

{{subst:NewPokémon|main|Jp. Katakana name|Romanized Jp. name|
typen= (number of types) |
type1= (first type) |
type2= (second type) |
pron= (name's pronunciation) |
jspecies= (species in Japanese) |
species= (species, aka "____ Pokémon")
image= (filename of image) |
caption= (caption for said image) |
height-m= (height in meters) |
weight-kg= (weight in kilograms) |
prev= (previous Pokémon's (i.e. pre-evolution) name, Arceus by default) |
prevnum= (previous Pokémon's National Dex #, 493 by default) |
next= (next Pokémon's (i.e. evolved form) name, Bulbasaur by default) |
nextnum= (next Pokémon's National Dex #, 001 by default) |
}}

Those who want to use this template for their own userspace should replace "main" in the top line with "user", so that those user sub-pages aren't categorized with the genuine Pokémon articles in the main space. Quagbert 01:04, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Take away part in introduction

It says that it is unknown whether the new games will be contemporaneous with any of the other games. I beg to differ. Pokemon Sunday officially stated that Zoroark lives in a "New Area". Or is it just saying that it is unknown whether it will be possible to travel to another region? Spenfen

Contemporaneous means at the same time. Like how RBY and RSE are at the same time, and so is GSC and DPPt. It has nothing to do with location.--Gou 18:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Japanese Gen. 5 page

I have a good link to a japanese page on the Generation 5 games here: [1].--Christopher Costello 01:14, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

That's kinda where we got all of our information. Pokémon.co.jp and the Japanese Pokémon variety shows. TTEchidna 03:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Interwiki link to Pokéteca

Now that there's an article about Generation V on Pokéteca, can someone add it the interwiki link to it, please? --Blaziken257 03:19, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Two New Generation V Pokémon Scan !!!

Hey guys, I got this EPIC magazine scan featuring two new evolutions of Delibird and Farfetch'd from Generation V and it seems 100% real. - unsigned comment from Adyniz (talk • contribs)

It's not. Notice how I protected the hell out of those names before Zoroark and Zorua were revealed. TTEchidna 07:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Does that mean this scan is a fake one? --♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 07:11, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

The screenshot is obviously fake if you couldn't tell. That should have given it away easily. So yes, it is fake. —♥ Jello 07:29, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Lol, man I am dumb.

Source: http://www.pokemondarkay.net/- unsigned comment from Adyniz (talk • contribs)

Looks pretty real. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 11:00, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Well it may look real but I've seen things in my days done in Photoshop that looked very real. Can someone translate or is there even any legit source? I don't read Spanish nor Japanese. insomniac 11:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Since it's already been confirmed as fake, please take further discussion regarding the scan to the forums. Thanks, - Kogoro | Talk to me - 11:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Nintendo 3DS

It's very likely that these new games will be on the 3DS, so can someone remove the statement saying that the games will be released on the regular DS?--immewnitythemew 00:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Generation II ahoy. The press release said DS. Not 3DS. 3DS comes out NEXT YEAR. These come out THIS YEAR. Nintendo's not stupid. TTEchidna 00:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

It could be released before Christmas in Japan so there is the potential for the game to be on 3DS. But that's purely guesswork at the moment and it could still be a DS game even if the 3DS is implemented so we go with the only source on the matter - the original announcement which said it will be on the DS. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 11:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Or, as in Generation II, the games could be programmed with 3DS enhancements, yet still be playable on the DS. Nonetheless, until something official states that they will utilize the 3DS, any mention of it is speculation at best. --AndyPKMN 14:23, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Technically, TTEchidna, the page that announced the 3DS stated that it would be released sometime between now and next April, so that doesn't mean next year.

DarthMartian7 23:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Current Length

The days have weird numbers, can an administrator fix them? Thanks. Dialgafan1 21:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

They're automatically calculated by the template... —darklordtrom 06:38, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

But the games haven't been released yet. I think it's too early to say that Generation V has started. Fudgenuggets 22:16, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

It hasn't started yet. It starts in 0.8 days according to those numbers. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 03:22, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

It's because it's calculated weirdly. Once we have a date, we'll put that in, and it'll look right. Until then, DECIMALLLLLLLLLL TTEchidna 02:34, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Uploaded player sprite

I got the player sprite and uploaded it to the archives... I guess if someone can find a place for it on the article, well, there it is!

Actually, now that I see them side-by-side, it looks like the front-facing sprite on the left is the male character while the right-facing sprite on the right is the female character. Any ideas? - Nick15 02:01, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

1) This is the article for Gen V in general, not just Black and White.

2) Do we have the overworld sprites from the past games anywhere? The characters themselves will get articles eventually but we will hopefully have Sugimori artwork released around the time that happens. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 23:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

We do, but... mostly fronts. And those are animated. TTEchidna 06:02, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'm sure there's a home for those sprites... right? :) - Nick15 06:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

About the day count...

You should set it to zero, I'm not sure we'll have Pokémon B&W in -0.840277777778 days. --Masatoshi 12:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

But we all wish we did... Thermorules123 11:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

You mean you didn't get your game 0.840277777778 days ago? Never mind, I hacked the template to make it say better stuff. —darklordtrom 12:10, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

As long as you didn't break the template on the other four generations. TTEchidna 01:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain I didn't. Fixed it through an optional extra parameter. Seeing as the parameter doesn't exist on the other four pages, nothing should have broken. —darklordtrom 05:19, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Gen 4 compatability

Shouldn't it be noted that this has been confirmed? (The upcoming Flare Blitz Entei and co can do something in gen 5) - unsigned comment from Deuxhero (talk • contribs)

makes sense, but since it's not officially confirmed, we can't include it. ShinyPikachu 12:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean, it hasn't been officially confirmed? It's been confirmed that the shiny legendary gerbils unlock something in BW, meaning that they are transferable to aforementioned games. Serebii.net reported on this last month. Oh wait, let me guess- Serebii.net isn't what you consider a reliable source despite only being wrong about stuff they explicitly said they weren't sure about in the first place. We also didn't add all the english names for all the HGSS stuff until it came out and proved him right. When are you guys gonna swallow your pride and admit that Serebii.net is probably the most reliable source of Pokémon information in the internet? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 14:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

The most reliable source of Pokémon information in the internet?, Hahahaha, I don't think so. Anyway, wait for an official announcement before doing/adding anything. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 14:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

If I recall though it was indeed confirmed by an official source that the legendary beasts could unlock something in BW... apparently someone got their hands on the pamphlet that you get for pre-ordering the ticket and it states that the beasts unlock stuff in BW. Not sure if there's a scan of it anywhere though, I would refrain from putting it on the page if it's just his personal speculation again. ▫▫ティナ^♫★ 15:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

If it is added, be sure not to assume HOW the games are compatible; it's possible they could unlock something through a method other than trading or transferring. --AndyPKMN 14:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Just as a clarification, an official site has yet to specifically state "generation 4 can trade in some way with generation 5". The pamphlet in question can be seen in entirety here. On page 3 there is a small section that talks about Pokemon Black/White and the last sentence of that section mentions that the 3 have a secret. This was taken to mean that the 3 unlock something in B/W obviously because it is mentioned inside the B/W section and therefore probably are able to be traded to Gen 5 in some way. Anyways, that was the logic behind "Gen 4 and 5 compatibility confirmed." Whether that is a good enough reason to be added on here or not, I don't know :p (Yaminokame 16:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC))

There's also that little issue of them being ON THE DS. TTEchidna 23:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I get the concept of compatability with Gen4 but whats going to happen to the Pokedex when you get aGen5 Pokemon on a Gen4 game?(User: Munchy Lax 20:33,3 June 2010 (EST)

Well you obviously won't be able to take anything that wasn't in Gen IV back to a gen IV game. If it's a direct trade then it'll be like the time capsule in generation II. Werdnae (talk) 00:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Starters

Here's the image from Pokémon Sunday: Dialgafan1 01:49, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I can guess that the Grass Type is a Bird of Parodise Pokemon, as in the plant 'Bird of Parodise,' and also they had already done Bird based starters for Fire and Water, and not yet Grass. If this could be true when revealed, then it will certainly complete the Bird Starters just like the Lizard Starters of Grass,Fire and Water. The Fire Type could may as well be a piglet for it's curley tail, and the Water Type could be another Amphibian Pokemon like Mudkip. These are just guesses, but what do you think? User:Cynthia149 17:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I think that you need to take your speculation to the forums. ^Maverick_Nate 16:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Just for the heck of it, I have a draft article for the Grass starter, which I created using the template I mentioned above. I also have startup code to create the Fire and Water starters' articles using this same template, if anyone's interested:

Fire Starter:
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|日本語名|JP Name
|species=
|typen=1|type1=Fire
|image=
|art=<!--BW-->|caption=Scan from [[CoroCoro]]
|height-m=
|weight-kg=
|prev=(grass starter)|next=water starter)}}

Water Starter:
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|日本語名|JP Name
|species=
|typen=1|type1=Water
|image=
|art=<!--BW-->|caption=Scan from [[CoroCoro]]
|height-m=
|weight-kg=
|prev=(fire starter)|next=Zorua}}

Quagbert 01:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

For the curious, from left to right its the Grass-type, the Fire-type, and the Water-type. Here. Still no names or pics other though. Drake Clawfang 14:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

There's this great site called Bulbanews that has already reported that information - and with pictures, too! 梅子^❀_✿ 16:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Excuuuuse me for not noticing. Drake Clawfang 18:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

"Both are canine Pokémon,"

By which the article presumably means vulpine; canine refers to dogs but Zoroa and Zoroark are/will be fox Pokémon. Smithers888 04:10, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Foxes are canine. Ish. TTEchidna 00:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canidae - Canini and Vulpini are separate members of Canidae --Grinnz 18:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I had something but might as well just ask. Aren't dogs actually Lupine, if we're going Vulpine for foxes.--Dman dustin 19:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

isnt lupine for wolves Iirc (Ataro 19:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC))

Dogs are in the same family as wolves. Canis Lupus, the dog is only further distinguished by Canis Lupis familiaris. But even still Canine could refer to Canidae which is what Foxes/Dogs/wolves are in. The only difference is Foxes are further classified as "Vulpine" and if we follow suit, dogs/wolves would be Lupine not Canine. And it did say some foxes (while not true foxes) could still be under the Canis Genus if that's where the Canine name comes from. But again while Canine might refer to dogs specifically, isn't that more of a general consensus, rather than a scientific consensus? I'm going scientific here, if people want to be so correct with the whole Vulpine/Canine argument. -Dman dustin 19:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Who cares, really. That section'll be gone by the end of the year. TTEchidna 19:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Older PCs

Apparently, artwork shown in Coro Coro comics indicates that the Player characters aren't kids like previous generations, but are a bit older and appear to be young adults. Drake Clawfang 14:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

well heres the pics

I have a corocoro scan of the player characters.....

File:User373931 pic151409 1273683476.png

here they are

(Ataro 18:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC))

The scan is from Pokebeach. I think we'd prefer it if it was your own scan. —♥ Jello 18:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, the beach is our buddy, too. TTEchidna 19:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

New Pokémon?

I found this online. It has the Pokémon Sunday picture in the corner. Does anybody know if this is the real deal or a scam? DarthMartian7 19:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

bleh...looks fake (Ataro 19:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC))

Old and fake. (btw: the text on the bottom says "the Pokemon that grasps the key to the Ruler of Illusions: Z!") 梅子^❀_✿ 19:28, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Fail. TTEchidna 19:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

New Pokémon (CoroCoro scan)

Came here to upload the scan, but apparently someone else did but didn't do anything with it. Here it is:

File:Corocoro7.jpg

This info should probably be put into the main article. Marluxia.Kyoshu 20:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

It's been used on News. 梅子^❀_✿ 20:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

More info!

• Zorua has the Illusion ability.
• Mijumaru is 0.5m tall and weighs 5.9kg. It also has the Torrent ability.
• Tsutaaja is 0.6m tall and weighs 8.1kg. It also has the Overgrow ability.
• Pokabu is 0.6m tall and weighs 9.9kg. It also has the Blaze ability.

These should be added to the Pokémon articles--Pokélova! 10:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

On the use of unconfirmed information

We seem to have taken a whole bunch of unconfirmed information as fact here, and as it's generally not Bulbapedia policy to do so, it somewhat bothers me.

For the record, here is a list of information, much of which has been added to Bulbapedia, that I have not seen in the CoroCoro pages or any other official source (though if you have official sources with this that I have missed, please, by all means, link me):

• The name "Tsutaaja," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Grass-type
• The name "Pokabu," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Fire-type
• The name "Mijumaru," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Water-type
• "Hiun City"
• Zoroark's ability, "Illusion"
• Those two new attacks whose names I can't be bothered to remember right now (Trickery and Claw Sharpen or something?)
• The method by which to obtain Zoroark

I have seen none of this come from official sources, only from fansites, blogs, and forums. (Hell, I could have sworn that I saw some of this in a 2ch speculation thread back in March.) The justification to their validity seems to be that the random anonymous person who posted this information on 2ch was right about other information before it was leaked, so he must be right now - but that reasoning hasn't been enough in past cases, has it?

I really wish we had kept the above-mentioned facts off of Bulbapedia until they were confirmed, but here they are. I personally think they should be removed (and the starters' pages moved into TTE's userspace or something) until they are confirmed, but a reasonable compromise, I think, would be to tag all articles that mention this information with an "unconfirmed" tag of some sort (I seem to remember a template for one, though I can't find it now...).

Any thoughts? 梅子^❀_✿ 18:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

They're all from CoroCoro. It's pretty undeniable. Reign 18:40, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Scratch that, I found the CoroCoro scans that apparently no one cared to share which confirmed all of this. 梅子^❀_✿ 18:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Starter Region

i would just like to say that, because of the set-up of the page, it looks like one or the regions in Gen. V is Starters. I would fix it myself, but I'm not an Admin. could an admin please change it show it looks like this

==Regions== ===Isshu=== ==Starters==

instead of this

==Regions== ===Isshu=== ===Starters=== thank-you ShinyPikachu 19:54, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

If you take a look at the table of contents, you'll see that "Starter Pokémon" is a lower heading than "Isshu", as it should be, to indicate that those are the Starter Pokémon of Isshu. —darklordtrom 20:51, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

i guess that's true. the actual part of the article is what made me confused. But looking at the Table of Contents, it is set up correctly.ShinyPikachu 23:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Never too early to have the article set up like the rest. TTEchidna 02:53, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Legendary Pokémon

I saw two new Pokémon looks like the legendaries at the Pokémon english official site (names+artworks). Their names are Reshiram and Zekrom. I don't know if these informations are useful but... -Caciulacdlac

Already a page on Bulbanews. Also, since it's breaking news, admins, may not have had time to add it in. ShinyPikachu 18:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

If anyone's interested, I have userspace draft articles for Reshiram and Zekrom. I just made them as draft articles since I'm not sure if it's appropriate yet to put them in the mainspace, but when it is, any admin is free to move them (or give me the OK to do so). Quagbert 20:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

I may as well mention that Jello (talk • contribs) also has draft articles as well: Reshiram, Zekrom Quagbert 20:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I'm new here, but I just wanted to add a little bit of information about the names, if it hasn't been done already. In Reshiram's name, the shiramu (シラム) comes from shiramu (白む) which means "turning white" or "growing light". In Zekrom's name, the kuromu (クロム) comes from kuromu (黒む) which means "turning black" or "tinged with darkness". They're used especially with regards to the sky, for example, "the sky grows light at dawn" or "the sky is tinged with darkness at night". Hope that helps a little. AmaranthSparrow 01:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and just speculating, but the Re- and Ze- could come from rei (レイ) and zero (ゼロ), two pronunciations of rei (零), which obviously means "zero". AmaranthSparrow 01:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

How come nobody's yet made the articles for Reshiram and Zekrom yet? And yet people who DO create articles at strange names to get around it, they just get deleted. Why not just move them to the proper names? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 01:50, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

We're not satisfied with them yet. And considering tomorrow's PSunday, we'll probably get more than enough data. TTEchidna 02:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

We need to put informations of the two legendaries fast, my friends are asking more things about them but I just have the basic. Blaze of Shadow

We can't get more info yet Blaze, tell your friends to wait.--Pokélova! 04:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

we dont even know their secondary or primary types, we only know that they are part dragon type, so not even the most basic info we have, the article would be only a picture with nothing else.--Nobody777 07:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

That is all we knew about Zoroark when he was first revealed. Type and picture. Everything else was blank. Myzou 08:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

He was also the first Gen. V Pokémon revealed, which is why he was such a big deal. R.A. Hunter Blade 14:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Five Known Pokemon?

The article says that five Generation V Pokemon are known, but with the announcement yesterday, seven are known. It even mentions Reshiram and Zekrom in the article. Can an admin make the edit?--Celebi96 03:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

And the Zekrom page is exist. Please fix this too. -Caciulacdlac

Yeah, perhaps semi-protection would be smarter here if the admins can't afford to be on top of this at all times. Shady got 10,000 for winning 15:46, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

The template uses the number of pages to find how many are new. After that, you have to purge the content by pressing the clock by your username to make it show seven. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 15:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I see. So the reason it reads five instead of seven is that there are no articles for Zekrom and Reshiram, and the reason there are no articles for them is because they are create-protected. The admins couldn't just create the pages and protect them? Shady got 10,000 for winning 15:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC

Didn't realize they'd been created. I've purged the content, but it still reads five. Maybe the categories haven't been added to the new legendaries' articles? Shady got 10,000 for winning 16:01, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

It's likely because of your cache, maybe? The generation infobox reads new Pokemon as the amount of articles in Category:Generation V Pokémon, it doesn't need to be manually updated. We apologize for any inconvenience if we don't have new Pokemon articles up within the day they're revealed- we'd like to make sure that our articles aren't sloppily put together and include all the known info... which can be difficult at times and make us go "Hm, is one line of text and a mostly-unfilled infobox really worth an article?". Not the point, I know, but I'd just like to point that out. ▫▫ティナ^♫★ 17:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

No, that's not it at all. I've taken a look at the source code, and it actually reads "Currently, five Generation V Pokémon are known." No template or anything. This needs to be changed. Shady got 10,000 for winning 19:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

OH! You're talking about the infobox! We've been talking about the specific text in the article, under the "Currently known Pokémon" section. Shady got 10,000 for winning 20:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

The Order

Someone have thinged what is the right order of Zoroa,Zoroark,Reshiram and Zekram? when the numbers be show we need to make the right order. User:Blaze of Shadow 23:30, 1 June 2010

Please make more sense.--Pokélova! 05:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

We don't know what numbers they are because we don't know how high the regional dex is going to go. —darklordtrom 10:56, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think Blaze is talking about specific dex numbers, just general placement, i.e. we can assume that Zekrom and Reshiram will be near the end of the dex, but we can't confirm anything right now. Shady got 10,000 for winning 14:33, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

July 2010 New Pokémon

I just whipped a draft article for Chirāmī based on the scans that just leaked out. I only did Chirāmī since that's the only one we have a decent amount of clear info on. Perhaps in the future we may want to take any more new Gen V Pokémon discussion over here and leave this talk page for other Gen V stuff, though that just my suggestion. Quagbert 12:05, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Hiragana vs. Kanji

"Kanji are now used in game menus and text, in addition to the hiragana and katakana used in the previous four generations." >> Not saying that this statement is false but could someone point me to a known instance of the games where kanji is used more prominently? I know that it has been used for some things already since Gen I, like the prices in the Japanese versions using the kanji for yen, but this seems to refer to a greater use of the kanji throughout the dialogues... ポケモンあいこうか 17:45, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, Colo/XD also uses kanji... I think PBR and Stadium miiight, but I'm not sure. There's also kanji in the TCG GB games. I might be missing a few...

However, this is the first time that a main series handheld game has used kanji in dialogue- the only screenshot I can recall seeing it though was the intro with Prof Araragi and Chirami. It's assumed to be a toggle of sorts seeing as there's other dialogue screenshots with just kana. ▫▫ティナ^♫★ 17:55, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

I was referring specifically to BW, though, but thanks for the info you provided. xD Well, it does really seem to be an optional element, since I didn't notice kanji in any of the footage before, not even that one of Prof. Araragi and Chiramii... ポケモンあいこうか 18:26, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, according to the new Iwata Asks[2] there is going to be both a hiragana mode and a kanji mode. I suggest changing "Kanji are now used in game menus and text, in addition to the hiragana and katakana used in the previous four generations." to something like "Aside from the usual game menus and text in hiragana and katakana, there is now also the option of a kanji mode. While hiragana and katakana made the Pokémon series accessible to elementary school kids, the optional texts mixed with kanji now also make the games easier to pick up for older teens and adults." As opposed to the present version, this makes clear that there is the option of kanji, and explains the effects of the new kanji mode to those unknown to the Japanese writing system. --BlackySully 12:46, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Named after colors

Trivia mentions that black and white are colors, technically they're not colors. I think it should be reworded to say that the titles were the first since Generation I (or II, since gold and silver can be colors) to not be named after a gemstone or a mineral. Mudkipchan 18:41, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Technically, they are colors. Technically, they are not hues - they are shades. This terminology is used in most artistic endeavors, except lighting, where white and black are the presence or absence of light, but that's neither here nor there. These are colors. However, I agree that silver and gold are also colors, but I think it's pretty clear what was meant in the article. Jazzmoth 14:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Pokemon currently known

By my latest tally, including the pokemon recently released, their are now about 20 with names and around 3 more that still remain unnamed, should anyone make an edit of this. - unsigned comment from InferSizMamoMagne (talk • contribs)

There are fourteen named Pokémon; these are the ones that are counted. —darklordtrom 06:49, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

i want to add koromori. but it wont let me arceusLX leveled up! 19:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

The page name has been protected because we know too little about the subject. You can quit spamming pages now, please. —darklordtrom 19:48, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

The Picture

I'm just wondering if instead of the logos of Black and White getting put as the picture, I think that someone should just put the Japanese boxart pictures on.-- lilkaykaygal 7:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

The boxart is on the Pokémon Black and White article. —darklordtrom 21:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

advances in gameplay

i need to add that you can play triple battles in pokemon black and white. arceusLX leveled up! 19:37, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Or someone else could add it when we know more about it. Why do you need to add it?--Pokélova! 01:38, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind, someone already put it in.--Pokélova! 01:40, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and please fix the triple battles link - it points to Double_battle#Triple_battle as of now, while the correct would be Double_battle#Triple_battles --HTMLCODER.exe@bulbapedia$_ /usr/bin/apache2 -k restart 11:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Starter Evos

I MIGHT have found the final evolutions of the starters, but they are probably fake.

Here they are: File:GenVStarterEvos.png

I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!! 17:14, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

They're fake. (and the picture has been deleted on the Archives) Werdnae (talk) 03:18, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

NGamer - 157?

In the most recent issue of NGamer magazine UK, they said there would be 157 new Pokémon in B/W. I don't know where they could have gotten that possible fact from, but it ought to be looked into, in the event that they are telling the truth. However, NGamer have been known to put rumors down as fact, and I would predict this is false. MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2) 18:37, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

It is a rumor that's been circulating for a while, but there hasn't been any actual evidence I'm yet aware of. --HeroicJay 18:59, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

season

since seasons were confirmed to be in gen V could someone add that to this generations changes?Badwolf1234 20:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Colours

Wow, this is totally random and pointless, but I wanted to point out that the thing about these being the first games named after colours since G1 is inaccurate. All the games have been based off of colours, however, those colours also tend to be other things (metals and gems, etc.). For example, silver is a colour, gold is a colour, ruby is bright red, as it's counterparts sapphire and emerald to blue and green respectively, and so forth. I just think that it's kinda pointless to put that information int he trivia when it's not exactly true. But feel free to debate with me, I'm open for people trying to change my mind. :D

Makuta Zero 06:21, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Advances in Gameplay

I think that it should include that seasons will be in the games. --Mew is the Original One 15:35, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Monochrome generation?

its not monochrome monochrome is 1 color black and white is already 2 it should be called the shade generation since they already said third would be grey - unsigned comment from Ares5566 (talk • contribs)

I'd like to inform you of a few things

1. Sign your comments. ALWAYS

2. "Pokémon Gre(a)y" was never confirmed

3. Monochrome doesn't mean 1 color. It means shades of 1 color. so Monochrome and Shade are the exact same thing. ShinyPikachu 02:49, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Just how Generation III was the Advanced Gen, why isnt this the Rebirth Gen? That is what is really is. They are having fresh new starts. Also, monochrome only applies to three games. Speculation shows that we have high chances of getting an Emerald remake (ranberth at youtbue has evidenece). In 2012, 10 anivesity; they like to remake at that time. Also, im reseaching that we might get more Gen I remakes due to 15th anivesrity. The biggest hint is that every region has included Kanto.Here is my guess...

• 2011-Black and White
• 2012-Grey
• 2012-Emerald remake
• 2013-Gen I remakes

(they will more spaced out)

So, with that said, i want to vote on a name! --Shaymin Master426 06:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Monochrome is accurate for now. If there are Hoenn remakes, the name can be changed. It's called what fans have chosen, and for now it's monochrome. --SnorlaxMonster 06:17, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Needs Updated

This page is outdated. It needs to get updated with the latest info that has since been confirmed by last month's CoroCoro, and reconfirmed by both Pokemon Sunday & the official Site. Shinji-San 01:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)Shinji-San

The fan name is wrong

The page says they call it the "monochrome generation".I am an Art Major at Lord Fairfax Community College,and that name makes no sense.Monochrome "only 1 color".There are 2 versions,and also black and white are not colors.They are refered to as neutrals in art(which is the only side that has an argument in color).Also,black is the abscense of color,and white is the combination of all percieved color.That name is completely inaccurate,and should be removed from the article because it does not really relate. - unsigned comment from Slyver333 (talk • contribs)

According to Wikipedia's article on Monochrome, "For an image, the term monochrome is usually taken to mean the same as black-and-white or, more likely, grayscale..." Therefore monochrome is not incorrect here. Also, if it's here, it probably means it was used on some Japanese fansite--just because it's not "right" in art, doesn't mean it can't be used as a fan term. --Phantom♫Junkie 02:24, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Plus, black and white ARE colors - they aren't hues, but they are colors. In art terms, they are technically called shades and tints, respectively. Black is a shade of any color, and white is a tint of any color. As long as you're not talking about light, that makes them both colors. (When discussing colors of light, it is acceptable to refer to white as a combination of all frequencies, and black as the absence of all frequencies, but we're not in optics.) I don't know what you're art teachers are telling you, Slyver, but I'd double check your facts before trying to correct people. Different schools of thought use different terminology, and although I've never heard of the terms you use, I know the ones I learned are widely accepted. Long story short, monochrome is an acceptable term for this generation. (Monochrome can also refer to any range of shades, tints, and tones that have a single hue as their base.) ʝɑzzmotɦ _❝❞✎ 21:38, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Number of new pokes.

One of the new commericals claimed over 100 new pokes (Pokebeach says so anyways) would be introduced. Should we change the "Pokémon" field in the template to reflect that? Also the info on communications with gen 4 is outdated. --Deuxhero 01:06, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Anthing for Trivia?

1.I think that with the information we have so far, we should be able to come up with some stuff for the section, at least for when it becomes editable to regular users. I noticed that this is the first Generation to not have a game where you (presumably) can't go to the Kanto region (as in Generation III, there are the Gen. I remakes, Generation IV has HeartGold and SoulSilver, where you can visit Kanto after beating the Elite Four).

2. I was wondering if anyone thinks they may make a Ruby/Sapphire remake, because Gen. III wasn't that much less advanced in terms of graphics and mechanics, so making a remake would be somewhat pointless, as you could just as easily buy the original, and considering they would have to put a lot of work into making a game that would be more or less the same in most ways(you can tell the added material in LG/FR and HG/SS is obviously needed or at least very different).

3. The new Japanese commercials for Black & White reveal another new team (as expected) and what looks like some sort of conversation thing where you get an up close look who you're talking to. Any comments?

Please respond if you would like. --BeeBwakka 23:43, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

1. Trivia sections aren't things that need to be filled. No-one should ever be goining around looking at a page and trying to add trivia just because the trivia section is short.
2. Talk pages aren't for general discussion. RS remake talk should be taken to this thread on the forums.
3. Can you get pictures of the commercials? It would help for confirming details. Werdnae (talk) 00:16, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

It's far too early to say that anything won't happen in the next four years. Yes, the chances of revisiting Kanto are less likely this time around but anything could happen in the games after BW, especially with the 3DS (which any RS remakes would be on). --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 01:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I just joined so I'm new to this stuff. --BeeBwakka 12:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Trivia?

Akinator (here), is a website where Akinator (the character) tries to guess any character you're thinking of (by yes-no-maybe questions). It (the site) may be a little too small to be notable (though mijumaru alone has already been tried over 140 times) but it *already* has a question "Is your character from the fifth generation of Pokemon". Kanjo 20:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it would be trivia, unless it was a big site. If it should be, it should be noted that they misspelled Pokémon. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 20:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh god, not that thing...damn genie.. I don't think it would be trivia either...Ataro 20:42, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Generation Length

Does anyone mind correcting the generation length? It says "-5 days". ---DH 21:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Five days until, at that time. Now it says -1, because it's released on Saturday, also known as, you know... tomorrow. TTEchidna 06:33, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

All Pokemon Revealed.

http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/pokemon.shtmlUmitencho 19:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Serebii's not an official source. --ZestyCactus 19:24, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Gen V framerate

Shall we mention it? (For anyone curious: 30 overworld, 60 battles, title screen, 2D menus, 15 opening) Turtwig Lover 15:18, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Do you want a title screen pic like all the generations before it?

Just asking. If needed, I'll produce these. Turtwig Lover 13:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeeeahh. —darklordtrom 09:52, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to pick the one which's better. (http://s1096.photobucket.com/albums/g329/Jarooda/Bulbapedia%20stuff/) (That's my Photobucket!) Turtwig Lover 12:10, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh, you're Jarooda? Did not know. Um, the first and the fourth are good. —darklordtrom 12:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

What should I name them in Bulbagarden Archives? Turtwig Lover 12:35, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

The second and the third actually have smoother edges, but this your call, Trom. R.A. Hunter Blade 12:38, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Did it. What do you guys think? Turtwig Lover 01:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I guess they do, but I liked the dragons' poses better in the first and fourth :/ —darklordtrom 10:21, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Useful source?

I accidentally came across this website which appears to reveal the trademarked romanji of the 646 'official' Pokémon as of now, as well as some insight on to their name origins. Is this official? --Chickasaurus 09:36, 8 November 2010 (UTC) [3]

It's a fan site I think, like it says on the main page "This site is Japanese Pokemon Fan Site.". Bluesun 09:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chickasaurus 09:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Why some classics arent in the regionnal dex

some classics (magicarp, pikachu, geodude, abra, etc.) dont appear in isshu. why?

I think thats because they are far away from kanto/jotho/hoenn/sinnoh. maybe the pokemons of gen5 will be the standards for 3 other gens. - unsigned comment from Grhaal0 (talk • contribs)

Game Freak has already stated that the reason old Pokémon aren't included is to give all players a fresh, new experience when playing the games. Your suggestion is speculation, which is rarely allowed and certainly doesn't take precedence over word of god. --Andy^P_K^M_N 15:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

That brings up the question of "Why did they include old Pokemon at all". Surely a new game, set supposedly in a place half the globe away from previous games wouldn't have all these old Pokemon found in it.--Mackinz of SoulSilver 16:22, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I've already explained to you Mackinz, the real world has some species which live in far away places (see rats, mosquitoes, etc.). I don't mean to offend, but if you're trying to bring up another debate over Isshu's basis/motif, this isn't the place. --Andy^P_K^M_N 21:27, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Not trying to start a debate. Just can't figure out for the life of me why Paras would be in New York. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 20:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Guys this disscussion needs to go to the forums. Stop cluttering the talk page. Please and Thank you Pokemaster97 20:16, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

New Catchable Pokémon from Old Generations

You know, a lot of Pokémon in these games, although from previous generations, is the first time they are catchable in the wild (without hacks, of course), like Metagross, Kingdra, Mamoswine, Crobat, etc. Is that worth noting? TFSpock 00:47, 4 December 2010 (UTC)TFSpock

Wrong Pokémon Count

I find this page is within the category page of Generation V Pokémon. I post here, though, since this affects the number of new Pokémon in the summary of Generation V (the one that has the screenshot, main games, region introduced, etc). http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:SLE_aman/fanhax - Chaotic iak 05:26, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

That page was using templates which categorise. I've replaced them with ones that don't categorise or replaced them with the relevant hardcode and removed the categories. Werdnae (talk) 05:49, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Live Caster

Can anyone explain what it is? It's not in the article. --Bee § Bwakka♂ (meh talk) 02:24, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Alterations from Generation IV

Shouldn't the removal of Curse be moved from the "Trivia" section to the "Alterations from Gen IV" section? U2kheim 20:12, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Wait a sec, what? Did you mean, the ???-type? Also, is it neccessary? --Turtwig Lover 13:33, 15 December 2010 (UTC)